The alien nerds..

[uscmhicks]

Figured I would start a thread for us alien nerds. Now please don't confuse this with predators , or any other type of E.T , I'm talking alien with the long head , scary tongue and awful attitude.
These guys ...

This is a thread where we can talk crap about the creature itself , the movies and whatever else comes to mind. Face it , the nerd inside you wants too.
To kick it all off , would you consider Ripley the perfect character for aliens ( the full saga ) or would you of preferred another leading role ?.
Personally I think its flawless.

 

[Bardoon]

First thing first...

Dear Hollywood,

If you continue the ALIEN franchise with respected, well-known and talented (aka 'real expensive') filmmakers. Sigourney Weaver is NOT NEEDED to carry the move.

Thank you,
Darren

 

[furystorm]

Flawless with Ripley. I even like her clone, although most of Ressurection is incoherent to me.

Ripley was great for all four of the original films. I feel like the producers and directors of subsequent AVP films have tried to have strong female protagonists to carry on that lecacy, only not succeeding in their goals.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[uscmhicks]

First thing first...

Dear Hollywood,

If you continue the ALIEN franchise with respected, well-known and talented (aka 'real expensive') filmmakers. Sigourney Weaver is NOT NEEDED to carry the move.

Thank you,
Darren

I ever meant she was going to carry on , just if she was great in the others.

 

[-Super Hans-]

An aliens film without ripley? that would be like missing a testicle it just woudnt look right. Thats why they made a stupid story up for resurection. I reckon theyll just carry on with avp but with a good director/story I would love to see another alien movie ???

 

[nicky]

If you think about it, Ripley's life was pretty hell-ish an shlt for about the last few days she was awake. Alien (1979), Aliens (1986) and Alien 3 (1992) all take place one after the other without a break in-between and Ripples is asleep in-between two of them.

Her last few conscious days (except the ones at Gateway station) were spent creaming her little white panties while a big pneis-headed beast chased her ass thru corridors with it's tongue wagging out. Then eventually she gave birth to a smaller pneis-headed beast and before taking a swim in a hot lead.

I guess her nightmare-ish last few days is referenced in the line in Alien 3, "You've been in my life for so long, I can't remember anything else." It all should have ended at Alien 3, the ending was great esp with the Nostromo flight recorder playing back.

 

[prefused]

i just wish they weren't turned into ants.
i want my aliens to be totally alien, not bugs. that's starship troopers.

also, no more sequels.
hollywood had 5 chances to make a good sequel/prequel and it turned into a big budget/small screenplay action flick franchise for predators to fight bugs.
for shame.
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Yamaha diversion specifications

 

[abake]

Ripley was the emotional anchor for audiences, as such she was indispensable for the first three movies (and was brought back to keep the franchise alive in the fourth).
What the franchise needs now is a reboot.
Start with a new storyline after the events of the first four with a new leading character that audiences can relate to, so that it becomes something we can invest in emotionally again.

 

[screamingmetal]

I agree with Bardoon, Ripley isn't necessary for a good Alien film.
Also, I've thought about what it would've been like watching the first Alien film for the first time back in '79, and I get the impression that most would've thought Dallas was the lead character until he gets whacked. Ripley's story has been told, time to move on.

 

[prefused]

actually, i want to see the back story on the pilot alien from the 1st movie.
it looked like their technology was based on the Alien, or vice-versa.
yes, i know they were in the comics/novels, but those guys don't make movies for a reason.
i'd rather hear it from Ridley Scott, or Dan O'Bannon.

and i could give a crap if Ripley is in it, honestly.
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Yzf-r1

 

[YoNoSe]

The problem for me is that once you have ALIENS, the next logical step is aliens on earth. The least logical step is Alien3. And I say that with the utmost respect for Fincher, and actually enjoying quite a bit of A3. It was just the complete wrong thing to do for the series. I don't hate Resurrection the way some people do because I felt like the series was already over. It's sort of an Elseworlds. I like the clone Ripley, and I think Weaver gives a great performance because it was something new for the character. I don't now if they need a reboot or what, but Ripley's story is waaaayyy past over, and I don't really savor the idea of watching aliens running around corridors again. Just the idea of continuing that story....do we even know how far into the future we are now? I wouldn't even know where to begin.

 

[uscmhicks]

Why couldn't newt have survived ?
one of my fave pics...

 

[prefused]

The problem for me is that once you have ALIENS, the next logical step is aliens on earth. The least logical step is Alien3.

based on what? the "hive" got blown up and the queen was blown out the airlock, light years from earth. *cough*sameendingfromAlien*cough*
if you ask me, 3 was a more logical step from 1... 2 just made up the whole queen/hive reproduction thing out of nowhere.

...do we even know how far into the future we are now? I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Alien Resurrection was 24th century.
so, we're talking Star Trek, or Next Genereation, here.

Why couldn't newt have survived ?

she did in the Aliens comics.
she was annoying, anyway...
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Toyota Progr?s History

 

[YoNoSe]

based on what? the "hive" got blown up and the queen was blown out the airlock, light years from earth. *cough*sameendingfromAlien*cough*
if you ask me, 3 was a more logical step from 1... 2 just made up the whole queen/hive reproduction thing out of nowhere.

Well, the biggest threat in both movies is the idea of the Alien getting back to earth. It's what Ripley has been trying to prevent all along. It seems like a more natural step to have that happen, rather than just going back to one Alien terrorizing isolated people who don't understand/believe what it is.

If you're arguing how it would have got there, the same way it got to the prison planet.

But I do like part 3, and I think David Fincher agrees with you. He basically made a direct sequel to Scott's movie, eliminating everything he didn't like about part 2 right off the bat.

 

[prefused]

Well, the biggest threat in both movies is the idea of the Alien getting back to earth. It's what Ripley has been trying to prevent all along. It seems like a more natural step to have that happen, rather than just going back to one Alien terrorizing isolated people who don't understand/believe what it is.

If you're arguing how it would have got there, the same way it got to the prison planet.

good point.

But I do like part 3, and I think David Fincher agrees with you. He basically made a direct sequel to Scott's movie, eliminating everything he didn't like about part 2 right off the bat.

in that case, i owe him a big high five.
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Magic Flight

 

[nicky]

Why couldn't newt have survived ?

Cos the Alien films are about RIPLEY - it's her struggle and her nightmare.

Aliens 3 's focus was always supposed to be her and if Ripley had any friends in it, it would have taken the "lonesome female stranger" element away from her character ssurrounded by the prisoners. The series is about Ripley's struggle - there is no room for anyone else.

Newt, Bishop and Hicks survived in the comics cos they were published about 2 yrs before Alien 3 hit cinemas.

 

[uscmhicks]

newt could of been the next ripley I reckon. She didn't have to be a big character if she would of survived in alien 3. She could of stayed with someone whilst they fought the alien off or just somewhere out of the way. Ripley dies then she goes off with weyland and grows up !. They could of made a decent flick about her with the right actors.

 

[abake]

I don't mean to be an ass uscmhicks, but it's could have, would have and should have.
Sorry, it's just a pet peeve I have.

 

[furystorm]

newt could of been the next ripley I reckon. They could of made a decent flick about her with the right actors.

That idea actually sounds appealing to me, and I had never considered it before. But based on what was in the comic books, and using Weyland Yutani as a corrupting corporation (as it was), the studio really could have worked with this. I think I would have preferred Newt to be in a coma after the crash, and off on the sidelines throughout the Alien3. We have to remember though that according to the comic book and the script for the film, as well as having been filmed, Newt was the one originally infected with the Queen burster. But all things considered, this would have cleared up one of my strongest dislikes of Alien3. That being, discarding the entire plot and reasoning behind Aliens, which to me was rescuing Newt, and in turn, calming Ripley's fears, and reuniting her with a daughter figure which she had lost by being out in space for over 57 years! Really my only gripe with Alien3.

I really like your idea!

 

[Mr. Fusion]

I really enjoyed Alien 3, both the theatrical and DVD version. But I still don't like how they had to kill off Hicks and Newt. I can totally understand why they did it, but I still really miss those characters in 3.

May I start a new discussion in this thread? Which versions of the films do you prefer? I like the special DVD editions more, for the most part. The 1992 Special Edition version of Aliens is much better, IMO.