The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[Khev]

a-dev the scene by scene breakdown of T3 from that link you posted is absolutely hysterical! There's just too much to post here but these bits (and there's MANY more) have me in stitches:

"Now that the T-X is aware of the presence of the T-850, it deploys the crane boom sideways in order to make it difficult for the T-850 to follow. Of course, doing so also means that the crane is going to move even slower, since the crane boom and outriggers will be hitting every single multi-ton obstacle in the way. It's a wonder that this crane could ever be used for construction, because the hook at the end of the boom has more destructive power than a wrecking ball. By merely touching a car, it can make it flip end over end and/or explode spectacularly. In at least one case, just having the tip of the hook graze the top of a car is enough to cause it to explode in a massive fireball. "

"Rather than risk killing its primary target, the T-X decides to abort the plasma cannon shot and focus on dealing with the T-850. It swings the hook at the T-850, which has thoughtfully chosen the exact following distance necessary to make that possible. Rather than swerve, hit the brakes, or accelerate, the T-850 actually reaches out and hugs the hook, losing both the shotgun and the motorcycle in the process. Luckily for the T-850, the explosive hook doesn't work on Terminators, so the T-X has to settle for swinging the T-850 back and forth into various obstacles"

"Meanwhile, John Connor has turned into a residential neighborhood. Rather than stick to the relatively empty street, he swerves onto the sidewalk again, where he now has to content with trees, parked cars, lawn furniture, low-traction surfaces, an assortment of random objects, and of course pedestrians. Multiple pedestrians dive for cover as the savior of humanity nearly runs them over to save his own skin."

Holy crap, and this is just reading through a small segment of the crane chase.

 

[JAWS]

I'm amazed your kids liked T1 the most JAWS. For kids I would have thought the most recent would be best because of its modern-day pacing and because they'd have no attachment to the classics.

Myself, I watched T1 recently and then skipped right to T3 - the contrast

I have brought them up watching Ray Harryhausen films before I ever let them watch Jurassic Park. I wanted them to appreciate older film-making and not just the CGI fest world we live in.

My youngest is not a huge movie fan but he does not care about what year a film was made as long as its good.

My oldest is vey much a film snob He prefers older films and is not a huge fan of the modern blockbuster.

 

[JAWS]

Since T2 doesn’t have a villain problem obviously thanks to Patrick’s T1000 I find T2 to have the better overall character interactions and plot dynamics especially with the addition of young connor and Sarah teaming up with the Terminator.

Just alot more fleshed out dynamics to sink your teeth into.

Not that T1 is inferior in any way that is a low budget beast of a scifi horror movie.

But I just find T2 to be more sophisticated in its structure, Cameron had grown as a filmmaker and it showed.

Did you notice all the peeps that came to defend the Honor of T1.... GTFO jye

 

[jye4ever]

Sorry but when it comes to Terminator a-dev has final say.

C’mon everyone knows this unwritten rule lol

 

[MaulFan]

T1 and T2 are very different style movies, and I think it’s fair to say both are great pieces equally within those styles. What it comes down to is personal preference on style. Like jye, I lean more toward the elements in T2, but I wouldn’t say it’s better, I can respect and see all that’s good about T1, but if I could only watch one for the rest of my life I’d pick T2 without hesitation.

 

[jye4ever]

Like I said final word on Terminator goes to a-dev and maulfan.

 

[a-dev]

a-dev the scene by scene breakdown of T3 from that link you posted is absolutely hysterical! There's just too much to post here but these bits (and there's MANY more) have me in stitches:







Holy crap, and this is just reading through a small segment of the crane chase.

Yeah it's very funny in places.

We learn that Sarah Connor was cremated in Mexico, and her ashes were scattered in the sea by her friends. After having literally thousands of nightmares in which she was incinerated and blasted into ash by nuclear fire, it's only natural that she would make a conscious decision to have her body incinerated and reduced to ash by fire.

And when John Connor expresses displeasure at having died in the future, the T-850 reminds him that humans inevitably die, because that's the kind of reassurance people need when they're risking their lives to save the future. It must be more of those quack psychology routines. Can't the T-850 just shut up instead of responding to statements that weren't meant to elicit a response?

with Kate yelling at her dad to get away from the T-X. General Brewster decides it's a much better idea to remain confused, while everyone else decides that being in the same room with a leather-clad, machinegun-toting buffoon may be a potentially fatal idea. Meanwhile, the T-X reforms and takes aim at General Brewster. the T-850 is so pleased with itself at having saved General Brewster's life, it forgets that keeping General Brewster alive is an ongoing process. Since Kate didn't order the T-850 to save her father a second time, it just stands there, forcing Kate to resort to screaming at her dad again in a futile effort to save him. John Connor decides to emulate the T-850 and also decides to do nothing to save General Brewster.

Kate decides to try to end the movie 20 minutes early by ordering the T-X to "just die, you *****!" The T-X is unable to comply, but unlike the T-850, it does not verbally share this fact with us, proving that the T-X really is more advanced than the obsolete T-850. After standing there for about 20 seconds, John Connor again tells Kate to "come on!", even though John is the one lagging behind.

Kate recognizes her father's plane, and out of nowhere we learn that Kate knows how to fly. Most movies have the sense to explain unlikely details like that early in the movie, so that the audience are prepared to accept it when the detail is invoked at a critical moment in the plot.....But Ferris & Brancato love blatant plot contrivances, so Kate suddenly knows how to fly at the exact moment the plot requires it.

Why is every feature on the T-X so half-assed. If the T-X is supposed to be an "anti-Terminator" Terminator, why is it such a failure at that very role? It's weapon is woefully inadequate for destroying a T-850, and now we learn that it did not or cannot reprogram the T-850's CPU? Wouldn't reprogrammng Terminators be the whole point of that stupid nanoinjector? So why is the most important part in a Terminator the one the T-X can't reprogram? This "reprogramming" is so lame as to border on being completely useless

Consider this: In both T2 and T3, the Resistance reprogrammed Terminators flawlessly. After reprogramming, any potential Skynet influence was eradicated, and both Terminators were absolutely loyal to the Resistance. So why is it that Skynet can't achieve anywhere near that level of success? The T-X is a machine built by Skynet specifically to reprogram other machines built by Skynet. Yet, when the T-X reprograms the T-850, it is able to resist the effects and eventually overcome them. Shouldn't Skynet understand better than anyone else what it takes to reprogram a Terminator?

John and Kate climb into the plane and taxi out onto the runway. It hasn't occurred to either of them that the machines could easily take out a slow-moving, unarmed civilian aircraft. As John and Kate attempt to take off, their plane is raked by minigun fire from the T-1's, and patrolling FK thingies launch missiles at the plane, destroying it and killing John and Kate.

Oh, wait. Ferris & Brancato wrote this, so all the machines decide to take a lunch break, allowing John and Kate to take off completely unopposed.

adev....

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One of the things I like about T3 is the T-850 isn't 'good.' It's just doing what it was programmed to do. And the fact that it was a terminator that succeeded in killing John Connor and then sent back to protect him.

I once thought that was one of T3's cooler ideas until I read this

We learn that the war has run well past 2029, and that the T-850 was selected due to the emotional attachment he felt toward that model, which aided the T-850's infiltration. Emotional attachment?! What emotional attachment? Let's rewind back to the animal hospital. John Connor is stunned with fear when he sees the T-850 walking toward him, and the very first thing John Connor says to the T-850 is: "You're here to kill me?" Then there's the end of the crane chase, where John Connor is shocked to see the T-850 pop out of nowhere to assume control of the truck. He's pushing as far away as he can get from the T-850, even though the T-850 has already said that John Connor must live. These are not the actions of someone who thinks that every Arnold-model Terminator is his best buddy.

But hey, let's take all this at face value. So the brooding, loner John Connor is suddenly needy and codependent in the future? A John Connor that's approaching 50 still needs a daddy figure?! What, did he want his kids to have a robot grandfather? Once again John Connor is depicted as being less mature as an adult than as a child, not to mention stupid. The leader of the Resistance can't tell the difference between a good Terminator and a bad Terminator?! The best troops in the Resistance can't detect a Terminator before it kills their leader?! A lot of stupidity and carelessness is required to get to the point where the T-850 could ever have a chance of killing John Connor. The future John Connor seems stupid enough that maybe he deserves to die

Sorry but when it comes to Terminator a-dev has final say.

T1 or T2? I....I....

 

[JAWS]

T1 or T2? I....I....

Come on A Dev.. One is a brilliant Sci Fi / Action / Horror movie... The other is a well made remake of said "brilliant Sci Fi / Action / Horror movie

 

[JAWS]

Sorry but when it comes to Terminator a-dev has final say.

C’mon everyone knows this unwritten rule lol

Only if he picks T1

 

[Snake Plissken]

I just read that Blaine's minigun is the same one that Uncle Bob uses.

They were loaned out by the same company. I can't believe I never knew that.

 

[Jameson Rook]

T6 logo revealed. Really hate that Michael Bay Transformers font:

https://movieweb.com/terminator-6-title-new-art-sarah-connor/

 

[Captain Clown]

Hmm. That’s the same font as the Genisys logo.

 

[RIDDICK]

Hate the font.

 

[EVILFACE]

I'm ok with the font.

 

[MaulFan]

It could be the most amazing font ever, the title is boring compared to the first 2 where The Terminator evokes a horror vibe, Terminator 2: Judgment Day has a sense of high stakes, this just feels like, this franchise has been mistreated for 3 films and we can’t be bothered to come up with something catchy. The Terminator worked because it was the first, the name Terminator doesn’t evoke the same reactions now after 5 films, a Terminator isn’t scary, it’s associated with action now and after 3 mediocre sequels, that’s not enough. They should have added a tag line to build confidence this movie is going in a good way.

 

[KitFisto]

Couldn't care less about font. Just want a good movie.

 

[EVILFACE]

I agree.

Never trembled at a movie title.

"Batman Returns" Oh ****, the six foot bat is back?????

 

[jye4ever]

Hate the font.

I'm ok with the font.

 

[a-dev]

Any sequels after T2 just ruin that film's ending. 'Judgment Day is inevitable'...so there was no need for Uncle Bob to get melted down then? He could have just stuck around and they could have tried repairing him - if Skynet was going to happen regardless why not keep him around? Nope, he went into the molten steel because he (and James Cameron) believed that doing so would put the final nail in Skynet's coffin. End of the story. That didn't necessarily have to preclude telling the future war story however - a prequel set in the future that would lead in to T1 and T2. It's the only thing that makes sense post-T2. But of course, no, we can't have that.

And yet Cameron has involved himself in another sequel that isn't a future war movie so....on the basis of his past work I do give him some benefit of the doubt but Terminator has been so dragged through the mud at this point and Arnie is, sadly, ancient now. Can it possibly be good enough to overcome all this? One doubts it.

 

[Khev]

Way to chicken out at calling this one "Terminator 3" Jim. Even if he didn't want to be so bold as to truly replace the current T3 even in name he at least could have had it be called "Terminators" as a callback to his own "Aliens" after the single titled "Alien." Yes all that matters is that the movie is good (as the crappy title but awesome movie "Batman Begins" has shown) but man how generic and uninspired can you get.