The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[DiFabio]

Eh, Batman was never about anyone being able to be under that mask. I hate that too.

Spider-Man on the other hand?

I think there's something to it, especially with the kids that idolize him in the movies and comics. He could be male, female. White, black, asian, mexican, etc. He's just a young, ordinary kid, not the one with a genius daddy that just so happens to make super spiders, you know what I mean? That all just feels pretty contrived to me. This Peter reeks of some kind of Harry Potter syndrome. I'm actually surprised there isn't another twist where he's some kind of "chosen one" like Anakin or Neo. I mean, he has his special blood, why not tie in some prophecy or destiny ******** too?

Anyway, different strokes for different folks I guess. If I want to see the character the way I want to see him done, I guess I have the first Spider-Man movie. If this was actually a shared universe with Marvel though, I'd actually dig a Norman Osborn that's trying to replicate the super soldier serum. That'd be pretty cool. Again, the whole "my genes are bad, I need a cure, and the cure is SPIDA BLOOD" just seems so weird to me. The serum turns these two Osborn's into literal, little cackling goblins with long finger nails and witch noses, nobody else finds that a bit goofy? I dunno. It's not about comic accuracy for me (aren't Richard Parker an ex-soldier in the comics?) as much as it is the stories I actually know. These characters just seem unnecessarily convoluted than their original counterparts. Spider-Man and his villain's origins are pretty simple for the most part, why muck them up with all this "bigger picture" nonsense?

 

[jye4ever]

Isn't Peter's dad from SHIELD in the comics

Marvel is probably begging SONY right now to change the hat man into Hydra for part 3.

See, it all fits now.

Hydra/Oscorp/Sinister6 vs SHIELD/Spiderman/Avengers

 

[JAWS]

Okay Jaws that is fine! To me it's Zod that got to me pretty hardcore, mainly because Shannon is a brilliant actor imo.

That said Harry got to me as well, I like DeHaan too, I just feel he should've had the whole film, he should've been the main character. Just him and a better Rhino setting up the sinister six would've been so much better imo.

But yeah I hope the sequels are better of course. Although I have zero expectations for this franchise anymore. (Which is why I'll be leaving this thread alone after this.)

Obviously that makes two of us Krec9!

I wish it was all about Harry also.... It would have been the perfect Spider-man movie then.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

All this Oscorp garbage makes Peter/Spider-Man less special in my opinion. Hell, it's not just Spider-Man now either, it's all of his villains! Why is Lizard Lizard? Thanks to Parker's research and Oscorp. Why is Electro Electro? Thanks to Oscorp. Why is Harry the Green Goblin? His daddy and Oscorp. Now Ock, Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio and/or Chameleon? Oscorp, Oscorp, Oscorp

One thing I don't get with the "it's silly that Oscorp at the center of everything "complaint is that in the MCU SHIELD is at the center of everything but it's never an issue

Tony Starks dad helped found S.H.I.E.L.D.
Captain Americas Super Serum was developed and funded by what was to become S.H.I.E.L.D.
Coulson and S.H.I.E.L.D helped Pepper Potts and backed up Iron Man behind the scenes.
S.H.I.E.L.D was the one to secure Thors Hammer
S.H.I.E.L.D reverse engineered the Destroyer and covered up the events of Thor 2011
Black Widow works for S.H.I.E.L.D
Hawkeye works for S.H.I.E.L.D
Captain America was revived by S.H.I.E.L.D
Banner was found and recruited by S.H.I.E.L.D
S.H.I.E.L.D had the Asgardian Tesseract
S.H.I.E.L.D recruited Erik Selvig from Thor 2011
The Winter Soldier features S.H.I.E.L.D a lot from what I can tell.

 

[DiFabio]

Well, I've complained about the Shield involvement in the past too. The only time I thought it really worked and felt appropriate was with the Winter Soldier.

That's one of the reasons Iron Man II didn't sit right with me. Wasn't that one of the complaints you had with it as well Nova? That it felt more like a Shield/Avengers promotion than an actual Iron Man film? That's exactly what ASMII feels like.

 

[karamazov80]

I think. . .that Richard Parker is. . .lame.

Don't care for the parents thing in general, much less making it a distracting subplot. And I do agree that Spidey is just a guy. But more than that, he's just a geek. For that reason, I certainly agree that he's someone kid and adult comic readers can easily get behind, and I think that's a big part of his appeal.

 

[DiFabio]

Well, atleast he didn't have a skateboard in this one.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Well, I've complained about the Shield involvement in the past too. The only time I thought it really worked and felt appropriate was with the Winter Soldier.

That's one of the reasons Iron Man II didn't sit right with me. Wasn't that one of the complaints you had with it as well Nova? That it felt more like a Shield/Avengers promotion than an actual Iron Man film? That's exactly what ASMII feels like.

Yeah I had that issue with IM2. I can understand that feeling with ASM2, I enjoyed it but they focused too much on world building I think.

 

[jye4ever]

World build this.


https://badassdigest.com/2014/05/07/norman-osborns-frozen-head-was-cut-from-amazing-spider-man-2/


It's become clear that the main aesthetic driving the Amazing Spider-Man films is 'changing our mind and redoing the whole film in the editing room,' as both movies' marketing campaigns include peeks into massive subplots utterly excised from the final films. In the first it was all the stuff about Peter's parents having a secret - I spelled it out for you in this article. This year the big missing element is Oscorp tracking Peter; the ads and trailers made a big deal out of this, and even made it seem as if Harry Osborn had put two and two together and knew that Peter was Spider-Man (his reasoning in the movie is so awful - that because Peter took A picture of Spider-Man he must know Spider-Man - that we would be thankful to learn this was a last minute change). The whole dynamic of that relationship seems to be different.


But that isn't the only change made during the course of making/editing the movie. One change that I've heard whispered about is actually kind of big, and I don't know why it was altered, as it would have fixed some problems with the first movie: in the original script Donald Mencken, the Colm Feore character who is an ******* at Oscorp and who fires Harry Osborn, was Mr. Ratha. You remember him - the character played by Irrfan Khan who disappears in The Amazing Spider-Man but who, according to the trailers and released photos, was probably killed by the Lizard in a deleted scene. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 feels like a sequel to a movie that isn't The Amazing Spider-Man, and having Ratha show up and continue his ******* ways would have gone a long way to solve that. It also would have made a dent in the big wall of white guys.


One element that made it all the way to shooting, and screenshots of it have somehow made their way online. It was to be a post-credits tag, and it was to be when Mr. Fiers (give me a ****ing break) is in the Oscorp lab, setting up the Sinister Six. One of the rooms has a head in a jar - Norman Osborn's head. "Time to wake up, old friend," Fiers says, and then the final credits roll.


Is that particularly good? Not really, but it certainly beats a guy in a hat walking in front of Doc Ock's tentacles. And it makes the appearance of Chris Cooper in the movie feel like it had some, I don't know, point? I'm glad Cooper got a paycheck, but he's playing one of the single most pointless roles I have ever seen in a major film, one that exists simply because the character was a big deal in the comics.


Are these the only changes made to the film? Is The Amazing Spider-Man 2, like The Amazing Spider-Man, a victim of visionless leaders being pushed around by marketing types (both films scored dismally in early tests, I understand)? Will the next film have that same feeling of figuring it out as they go along, and not telling the marketing people what they cut?

 

[bransen2099]

Soooo, i just realized he up and gave up finding Uncle Ben's killer after her he was so adament of it in the first one...

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The head leaked a few months back and the reaction wasn't positive, that may be the reason they cut it

Soooo, i just realized he up and gave up finding Uncle Ben's killer after her he was so adament of it in the first one...

He gave that up in the dinner scene in ASM when Captain Stacy made him realise he wasn't helping as Spider-Man.

 

[Khev]

I think the fact that Richard Parker is working on spiders in the first place is lame. It makes the whole spider bite thing with Peter less interesting and special.

I agree with this. It's funny because we were all noticing how tired it was last summer with MOS and now here ASM2 has to do it again. It does make the "mythos" of Peter being bitten less interesting in the tradition of ROTJ making the Force a family affair, T2 making all T800's look like Arnold, Ang Lee's Hulk making him created by his daddy, and of course MOS (I'm probably forgetting a couple.) So it's got two big cliches working against it, the "hope" talk and daddy DNA silliness.

But it overcomes them. So in that regard it's definitely more of a ROTJ or T2 than a Hulk or MOS.

And I really do think it's my favorite Spidey movie. S1 is charming but struggles to hold my interest anymore and I never really got on the S2 bandwagon. It has a fair share of WTH moments and the whole finale with Doc Ock is just so anti-climactic and strange. Even the mighty "train sequence" ends in a bizarre fashion that's a pretty big buzz kill. ASM2 has some issues but is so damn transcendent. It's like a baseball team that has a crappy 3rd and 5th inning but stays in the game until the bottom of the 9th and hits a grand slam. Compared to like S2 or TDK which would be the teams that build a big lead in innings 1-7 but then put in all their bench warmers for inning 8 and 9 and coast to sort of a boring win. I like my movies to knock it out of the park regardless of how messy things got leading up to that moment and that's absolutely what ASM2 did.

 

[jye4ever]

ASM 3

 

[Khev]

Ha ha, yeah, I actually am a little worried about what will "haunt" him when he starts dating Mary Jane. I really don't want him to see Gwen lurking around every corner reminding him of what could happen. We got enough of that in this one.

 

[jye4ever]

While he's boinking MJ.

 

[crows]

ASM 3

 

[Buttmunch]

World build this.


https://badassdigest.com/2014/05/07/norman-osborns-frozen-head-was-cut-from-amazing-spider-man-2/


It's become clear that the main aesthetic driving the Amazing Spider-Man films is 'changing our mind and redoing the whole film in the editing room,' as both movies' marketing campaigns include peeks into massive subplots utterly excised from the final films. In the first it was all the stuff about Peter's parents having a secret - I spelled it out for you in this article. This year the big missing element is Oscorp tracking Peter; the ads and trailers made a big deal out of this, and even made it seem as if Harry Osborn had put two and two together and knew that Peter was Spider-Man (his reasoning in the movie is so awful - that because Peter took A picture of Spider-Man he must know Spider-Man - that we would be thankful to learn this was a last minute change). The whole dynamic of that relationship seems to be different.


But that isn't the only change made during the course of making/editing the movie. One change that I've heard whispered about is actually kind of big, and I don't know why it was altered, as it would have fixed some problems with the first movie: in the original script Donald Mencken, the Colm Feore character who is an ******* at Oscorp and who fires Harry Osborn, was Mr. Ratha. You remember him - the character played by Irrfan Khan who disappears in The Amazing Spider-Man but who, according to the trailers and released photos, was probably killed by the Lizard in a deleted scene. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 feels like a sequel to a movie that isn't The Amazing Spider-Man, and having Ratha show up and continue his ******* ways would have gone a long way to solve that. It also would have made a dent in the big wall of white guys.


One element that made it all the way to shooting, and screenshots of it have somehow made their way online. It was to be a post-credits tag, and it was to be when Mr. Fiers (give me a ****ing break) is in the Oscorp lab, setting up the Sinister Six. One of the rooms has a head in a jar - Norman Osborn's head. "Time to wake up, old friend," Fiers says, and then the final credits roll.


Is that particularly good? Not really, but it certainly beats a guy in a hat walking in front of Doc Ock's tentacles. And it makes the appearance of Chris Cooper in the movie feel like it had some, I don't know, point? I'm glad Cooper got a paycheck, but he's playing one of the single most pointless roles I have ever seen in a major film, one that exists simply because the character was a big deal in the comics.


Are these the only changes made to the film? Is The Amazing Spider-Man 2, like The Amazing Spider-Man, a victim of visionless leaders being pushed around by marketing types (both films scored dismally in early tests, I understand)? Will the next film have that same feeling of figuring it out as they go along, and not telling the marketing people what they cut?

Interesting. The film did feel a bit pointless to me. It was really just the love story between Peter and Gwen. Rhino was just an opening scene car case bad guy. Electro just had a bad day and wanted people to remember him. Norman just showed up to die. Harry just didn't want to die. I just didn't feel there was much of a plot going on. A lot of build ups for other movies, but nothing really going on for this movie. It felt like a teaser trailer for about 6 future movies. So perhaps the post haste editing was to blame for that? Everything felt disconnected because they cut all of the connectivity out?

I hope the reason they cut out Norman's head is so they aren't stuck with him in that position. Faking his death would be a much better idea to work with IMO.

 

[jye4ever]

And yet despite all of these valid complaints, I still enjoyed the movie.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Jye, your photoshopping ability is improving.

 

[Chapter 2099]

The head leaked a few months back and the reaction wasn't positive, that may be the reason they cut it

I wish they would have kept it in. Gives me hope of Osborn returning. Now, I have only this to go by.