The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

**** Marc Webb. **** Sony. I have no intention of ever watching a new Spider-Man movie unless he shows up in THE AVENGERS 3, or Disney sues for the rights.

 

[jye4ever]

https://badassdigest.com/2014/06/12/is-amazing-spider-man-3-being-delayed/

Jeremy Smith at Ain't It Cool did the thing I like to do, which is hide a little bit of potential news at the bottom of an unrelated story. In this case while reporting on the supposed WB/DC Comics slate, he said this:


I have been told that THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 3 has been moved to an undetermined date in 2017. Time for a second reboot?


He's kidding about the second reboot, but he's not kidding about the delay. It makes sense; the film is currently scheduled for 2016, but with Amazing Spider-Man 2 very much not working - it's coming in behind all the previous films - it makes sense that Sony is going to regroup and figure out how the hell to stop the bleeding. Because this franchise is very much bleeding out, and even 3D surcharges and big foreign box office (2 was pretty much comparable to 1 overseas, while it plummeted in the US) can't help it.

 

[Khev]

Oh come on Sony. Release ASM3 against Cap 3, BvS, and X:AoA. What could go wrong?

 

[jye4ever]

Yup, and move up E7 and JW to the same weekend.

Dooooo Eeeeet.

Oh, and announce Frozen 2 for the same weekend.

 

[Khev]

Yup, and move up E7 and JW to the same weekend.

Dooooo Eeeeet.

Oh, and announce Frozen 2 for the same weekend.

It'd be like the shootout at the end of True Romance with ASM3 being the poor bastard who gets orange juice splashed on him to kick off the bloodbath.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[chewblacca]

Writers, writers, writers! All of these comic book movies look great have great action, big budgets, but mediocre to crappy writers. Winter Soldier was great, but that whole flying battleship thing taking out people was kind of a stretch. Bane's role in Dark Knight Rises was a bit ify too, and please don't get me started on Iron man 3, Thor the Dark World and Man of Steel, or as I like to call it the batman revamp prequel. If all of these movies had better writers the story would of been so much better, but instead we get movies like Spider-man 2 where to me, it seemed like someone read the best of Spider-man and put a few things together because Sony needs another movie no matter what. I'll now step down from the soap box.

 

[Khev]

Writers, writers, writers! All of these comic book movies look great have great action, big budgets, but mediocre to crappy writers. Winter Soldier was great, but that whole flying battleship thing taking out people was kind of a stretch. Bane's role in Dark Knight Rises was a bit ify too, and please don't get me started on Iron man 3, Thor the Dark World and Man of Steel, or as I like to call it the batman revamp prequel. If all of these movies had better writers the story would of been so much better, but instead we get movies like Spider-man 2 where to me, it seemed like someone read the best of Spider-man and put a few things together because Sony needs another movie no matter what. I'll now step down from the soap box.

Flying battleships that target the DNA of people not predisposed to support HYDRA? A stretch? Come on, that was practically ripped from our current headlines.

 

[jye4ever]

Drones looking for domestic criminals is soon upon us, half way thru approvals now.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Ah well, at least well have X-Men, BvS & Cap 3 in 2016.

The delay should mean a more focussed story, that's all ASM2 needed to be better imo

 

[lerath666]

could also be like the "delay" that was put on Daredevil, Blade, and Ghost Rider.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Not gonna happen. The movies still make tons of money, to make more profit they just need to advertise less, which would be a blessing seeing as how overboard they go in that department.

 

[lerath666]

Yeah, no. So far it's made NO money.

197 Million domestic so far, with a production budget of 250 million BEFORE we add in marketing and advertising.

yes, it's done 501 million in international markets, but

1)that money dosn't wholy belong to sony,

and

2) I don't know how international markets work, BUT for some reason hollywood suits don't care about international and worldwide gross when it comes to american movies.

it needs to make 250 MIL DOMESTIC JUST TO BREAK EVEN WITH PRODUCTION BUDGET.

so far, that movie has put sony just over 50 million in the hole.


As for marketing budgets, Yeah, no. Blockbusters get OBSCENE amounts of advertisements. Hollyweird is wastful as hell about that.

AND you've got Major executives who would rather make NO money on something, than make some money, instead of ALL of the money.

Mark my words, Sony's wheelhouse is NOT pleased about how this film was recieved, and if the next venture ( assuming there IS a next venture) dosn't do VASTLY better, they may decide it's time to let it go and move on.

 

[karamazov80]

I hope they learn the right lesson from ASM 2's apparent failure, and don't throw out the baby with the bath water. It did some things exceptionally well. But yeah, story needs focusing.

 

[Bardoon]

Sony will "right the ship" again. Despite not drawing as much as they may have projected, Spider-man is one of their HUGE draws and Sony movie studios has been losing major money as of late. They're better off keeping Spider-man and just devoting more time and energy to POLISH,PACING AND DEVELOPMENT on the next movies. I liked ASM2 A LOT but I can't deny its flaws.

Plus, MARVEL STUDIOS is DROOLING to get their poster boy back. And considering their monster success, Sony doesn't want to drop a proven franchise draw into the growing MCU. Spider-man + The Avengers? WINNING.

The only way I see Sony losing Spider-man in the near future is if they re-re-negotiate a deal to "co-produce" movies with Marvel Studios. Therefore introducing Spider-man into the MCU and obtaining profits but letting the House of Ideas handle most of the leg-work. They had recently re-negotiated their Spider-man/Marvel deal in order to ensure that Marvel gets merchandising profits while Sony retains movie rights, production control and movie profits. This shows a better relationship between Marvel/Disney and Sony than what Marvel/Disney has with Fox's X-Men and upcoming Fantastic Four.

Considering Sony's movie studio troubles, the struggle with Amazing Spider-man 2, and their relationship with Marvel Studios, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that Spider-man can make his way into the MCU if Sony doesn't get serious about correcting the franchise's character-crowding and pacing issues.

 

[Josette]

My own feelings on it - I saw all three Raimi movies in theaters. I enjoyed the first two, like most.

I didn't bother to go see TASM when it came out. I just didn't care to, and word of mouth, reviews from fellow geeks, and the general feeling around it didn't inspire me to. A retelling of the origin story. See Uncle Ben die again. See Peter in high school again. See Peter struggle to balance being Spider-man with his relationship with his girlfriend again. Gwen Stacy and adding little things like the webshooters to make it more like the comics wasn't enough to make me more interested. I saw it for the first time on dvd, and I thought it was okay. It was nothing I was sad to have missed in theaters and I never bothered to buy the movie for my own collection. I might see TASM2 if I can borrow it and I'm bored enough to watch it. And with the word of mouth, all of the villains (did they learn nothing from SM3?) and yet another take on the Goblin? Meh.

Maybe that's how the general audience feels? I was pretty much a GA member for the Raimi films - I was a geek girl for sci-f/fantasy movies/shows back then, but I wasn't into comics at the time. And I've never been interested in the Spider-man comics or anything outside of the Raimi films.

There was just nothing interesting enough in this reboot series for me to care.

 

[The Phantom]

Sony will "right the ship" again. Despite not drawing as much as they may have projected, Spider-man is one of their HUGE draws and Sony movie studios has been losing major money as of late. They're better off keeping Spider-man and just devoting more time and energy to POLISH,PACING AND DEVELOPMENT on the next movies. I liked ASM2 A LOT but I can't deny its flaws.

Plus, MARVEL STUDIOS is DROOLING to get their poster boy back. And considering their monster success, Sony doesn't want to drop a proven franchise draw into the growing MCU. Spider-man + The Avengers? WINNING.

The only way I see Sony losing Spider-man in the near future is if they re-re-negotiate a deal to "co-produce" movies with Marvel Studios. Therefore introducing Spider-man into the MCU and obtaining profits but letting the House of Ideas handle most of the leg-work. They had recently re-negotiated their Spider-man/Marvel deal in order to ensure that Marvel gets merchandising profits while Sony retains movie rights, production control and movie profits. This shows a better relationship between Marvel/Disney and Sony than what Marvel/Disney has with Fox's X-Men and upcoming Fantastic Four.

Considering Sony's movie studio troubles, the struggle with Amazing Spider-man 2, and their relationship with Marvel Studios, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that Spider-man can make his way into the MCU if Sony doesn't get serious about correcting the franchise's character-crowding and pacing issues.

I think the chances of righting this ship have sailed at this point.

Considering what they spent on this film, I can't even imagine what they were projecting it would make.

The time for course correction should have been after ASM. Once they saw that that film didn't wow audiences, they should have acted then. Instead, they spent more money, kept the same production team in place, and rolled the dice.
Not a great plan for your biggest franchise.

And I really don't see how Marvel Studios is drooling to get Spidey back. D/M will probably end up making more money than Sony on ASM2, and they didn't spend a dime. If anything, I'm sure they're hoping Sony makes another one ASAP.

I also don't see what D/M has to gain by co-financing/co-producing a film with Sony. Why would they do that? Invest in a sequel to a movie that's considered bad? What would be D/M's upside? Being able to shoehorn Spidey in Avengers 3? That hardly seems worth it.

No, Sony's on their own here. Sink or swim.

As it stands now, these films will most likely be remembered as the "Schumacher era" of the series, and just like Batman before him, Spidey would be better off if he was put to bed.

Give it 8 years. Give the fans a chance to miss him, and let him come back stronger than ever.

Unfortunately for Sony though, they can't do that. So they either roll the dice again or let him go.

Those are their only two choices.

 

[lerath666]

Considering how heavily That sony pictures banked on this film making a billion, at the expense of all other projects, and not even have it break even, i think it likely that The Sony Execs gree with you.

 

[The Josh]

I'm cool with Spidey ending up back with Marvel.

 

[Niltusk]

Drones looking for domestic criminals is soon upon us, half way thru approvals now.

They seemed to work in Dredd, let's start the DNA guns and bikes and gets judges out on the streets.