The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[pturtle]

You know man, I know you like FOX and X-Men and love to downplay the MCU but you say some stuff that really leaves me to wonder if you are just trolling. You can't really think that YET another reboot by a company that can't do justice to the character, would be better than reverting the rights back to Marvel/Disney who are currently making billions on critically acclaimed movies that everyone seems to love.

Do you say these things just to be a contrarian?

No I don’t, when the first leak came out and said Spidey might go to Marvel I didn’t come in here and complain, I said that would be cool.

How do I downplay the MCU? I’m extremely excited for Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and the Netflix Daredevil show.

I critique some of their films and people automatically associate me as a “hater” yet Iron Man 1 and TWS both make my top 10 list.

What was trolling about what I said? Sony has proven that they are capable of doing the character justice, go watch Spiderman 1 and 2, both were critically and commercially acclaimed.

Based on that article, Sony seems to be going about going about a reboot in the right way, less studio involvement and finding directors with great ideas. Fox made 2 terrible X-Men films in a row, Origins I consider to be one of the worst movies of all time, yet they got their **** together and are making in my opinion, the best Marvel superhero movies right now. If Spidey went back to Marvel I would be happy, but I would also be just as happy if Sony hired a great director to take over the franchise. Besides I’m not really big on the Superhero team up movies, I would take a great individual Spiderman film over an okay team up film featuring Spiderman any day.

 

[Xenoburger_]

You know man, I know you like FOX and X-Men and love to downplay the MCU but you say some stuff that really leaves me to wonder if you are just trolling. You can't really think that YET another reboot by a company that can't do justice to the character, would be better than reverting the rights back to Marvel/Disney who are currently making billions on critically acclaimed movies that everyone seems to love.

Do you say these things just to be a contrarian?

He doesn't care for Marvel Studios' style. Which is the same style they use in every generic, overly cheesy, joke-fest film they release. He knows what to expect from them. Sony have been hit and miss. First Spiderman series was great. This one? Less so. There's a greater chance of it having it's own theme and style if Marvel Studios isn't making it. Otherwise it would just be a clone of their other movies...which are all basically the same.

I've seen you personally attack his posts on more than one occasion when he's done nothing to you because you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't love Marvel Studios films. You should go look up the definition of trolling.

 

[Niltusk]

Brad Bird should helm a Spidey movie... i don't care for which studio, but honestly since studio execs seem to push their agendas down directors throats ( which only seem to be an issue in the IM series for Marvel), I'm thinking Marvel would be the better fit.

 

[Niltusk]

He doesn't care for Marvel Studios' style. Which is the same style they use in every generic, overly cheesy, joke-fest film they release. He knows what to expect from them. Sony have been hit and miss. First Spiderman series was great. This one? Less so. There's a greater chance of it having it's own theme and style if Marvel Studios isn't making it. Otherwise it would just be a clone of their other movies...which are all basically the same.

I've seen you personally attack his posts on more than one occasion when he's done nothing to you because you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't love Marvel Studios films. You should go look up the definition of trolling.

You're very observant for being here what? 30 days? Or were you banned under another name and just couldn't stay away?

 

[pturtle]

I think if Bird signed on he wouldn’t tolerate that, but I’m sure that would be the reason he wouldn’t sign on anyway

He doesn't care for Marvel Studios' style. Which is the same style they use in every generic, overly cheesy, joke-fest film they release. He knows what to expect from them. Sony have been hit and miss. First Spiderman series was great. This one? Less so. There's a greater chance of it having it's own theme and style if Marvel Studios isn't making it. Otherwise it would just be a clone of their other movies...which are all basically the same.

I've seen you personally attack his posts on more than one occasion when he's done nothing to you because you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't love Marvel Studios films. You should go look up the definition of trolling.

Dfantatic is a cool freak, I don’t think we hate each other

But yea, Marvel’s style I don’t hate, but I don’t really care for it either, I think some characters are a better fit in their universe and some are not. I like Sony’s original Spiderman, and Fox’s X-Men because they really focus on the characters, some of the Marvel films do that but I think universe building gets in the way of that for most of their films.

Can anyone really say that the last 2 Iron Man and Thor movies were as good as they should have been? The First Cap rushed through most of his important life events so that he could be an Avenger which really hindered the film. They felt like episode fillers until we get the next Avengers film to me. I know I’m in the minority but I just didn’t like what Whedon did with the Avengers, the script, acting, cinematography, and humor just didn’t resonate with me, so thats why I’m not really looking forward to AOU, but I am excited for the Russo’s directing Infinity War.

 

[Niltusk]

I think if Bird signed on he wouldn’t tolerate that, but I’m sure that would be the reason he wouldn’t sign on anyway

Exactly. I know Webb has been taking so much **** since ASM 2, but I think eventually it's going to pan out that he got force fed alot of garbage to balance ( ala Spiderman 3). Don't envy anyone who has to balance pleasing fans of such an iconic character with a heavy Studio agenda. I think the former was what helped GotG at the box office. There was nothing in that movie that contradicted the old GOTG cartoons, nor went against the original GotG movies. Blank slate of expectations really helps a film out in alot of cases. Name recognition can definitely be a double edged sword.

 

[DFanatic]

No I don’t, when the first leak came out and said Spidey might go to Marvel I didn’t come in here and complain, I said that would be cool.

How do I downplay the MCU? I’m extremely excited for Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and the Netflix Daredevil show.

I critique some of their films and people automatically associate me as a “hater” yet Iron Man 1 and TWS both make my top 10 list.

What was trolling about what I said? Sony has proven that they are capable of doing the character justice, go watch Spiderman 1 and 2, both were critically and commercially acclaimed.

Based on that article, Sony seems to be going about going about a reboot in the right way, less studio involvement and finding directors with great ideas. Fox made 2 terrible X-Men films in a row, Origins I consider to be one of the worst movies of all time, yet they got their **** together and are making in my opinion, the best Marvel superhero movies right now. If Spidey went back to Marvel I would be happy, but I would also be just as happy if Sony hired a great director to take over the franchise. Besides I’m not really big on the Superhero team up movies, I would take a great individual Spiderman film over an okay team up film featuring Spiderman any day.

Thanks man, I appreciate your response. I didn't mean to associate you with a hater... I might have done that though, I admit it. You are more active in the other studio threads, I don't usually see you in the MCU threads but It's cool to see you enjoyed some of their stuff.

I agree that Spiderman 1 and 2 were simply great. Spiderman 2 was one of the the best sequels of all time but everything has gone downhill since Spiderman 3. I just feel that with the recent email leaks, plus with everything has Sony has been going through lately, that Spiderman would be better off coming back to Marvel but not to be part of Cap 3. I wish they would get the rights back and take their time making a stand alone movie. I mean, it could still have the MCU in the background and possibly lead to spidey teaming up in the future, but I wouldn't want to see that right away.

One way or another I'm curious to see how this plays out.

 

[DFanatic]

I've seen you personally attack his posts on more than one occasion when he's done nothing to you because you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't love Marvel Studios films. You should go look up the definition of trolling.

I never attacked anyone in this forum. It's not my style. I did make a reference on the FF movie thread on how he and Nova would declare that the best movie of 2015, but I meant that as joke. Not sure why you are all bothered about it or even getting involved in this.

You're very observant for being here what? 30 days? Or were you banned under another name and just couldn't stay away?

 

[Niltusk]

Haha, it's funny that you went back and mentioned IM 2 and 3 in your rewrite Pturtle, imo totally destroyed by studio agenda and the impetus to get their universe from point X to point Y in an untimely or clunky manner. Thor 2 may not have suffered from this, but yeah....wow, what a misstep indeed.

 

[pturtle]

A lot of new leaks and rumors released


RUMOR: Marvel And Sony To Talk SPIDER-MAN Next Year; Kevin Feige Wants Avi Arad GONE

Take the following with a pinch of salt, but if all these "Sony Hack" reports about Spider-Man have been getting you down, you'd best keep your fingers crossed that it's true! According to Screen Gonzo's sources, a meeting is set to take place between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures in January, with Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal among those present. They believe that we'll get some "good news" by February, an indication perhaps that Sony are finally giving in and allowing Marvel to take over the Spider-man franchise from at least a creative standpoint. It could be that the character first appears in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in an upcoming after-credits scene, though it's not clear whether the site means Avengers: Age of Ultron or Captain America: Civil War (it appears to be the latter). Kevin Feige is said to be happy with the way the deal is shaping up too.

Something which was quite unusual about Joe and Anthony Russo offering to serve as producers on the Spider-Man franchise for Sony was how they would fit into that world when they'll seemingly be busy with Avengers: Infinity War. After all, it's hard to imagine Feige being too happy with them diverting their attention elsewhere, especially when Sony are effectively a rival studio to Marvel! This report helps that all make a little more sense, as the Captain America: The Winter Soldier are the ones apparently being eyed to take on a Marvel Studios Spider-Man trilogy, serving as both writers and producers. Also, despite protests from Pascal and others at Sony, Feige wants Avi Arad nowhere near this new take on Spidey, something which should come as a huge relief to fans of the character. As we said, take this with a pinch of salt for now, and stay tuned for more...

Marc Who? Sony Wants Phil Lord And Chris Miller To Helm THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 3

As you should already know by now, talks took place between Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios earlier this year about Spider-Man making an appearance in Captain America: Civil War. Despite the fact that those apparently later fell apart, Michael De Luca, co-president of production for Columbia Pictures, at one point sent an email to Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment, saying: "I really feel, in my heart of hearts, that the new spiderman [sic] in cap 3 could just appear in his own film, be it sinister six or a kick *** spidey film of his own, after that intro in cap 3 and people would be cool with it." In an earlier email from September (seemingly before Sony started talking about the Marvel deal), plans were indeed being discussed for both a "female spidey movie" and what the site goes on to describe as an, "Avengers-like superhero extravaganza incorporating characters from different upcoming Spider-Man-related projects." Wait, what?!

In fact, De Luca is quoted directly as saying, "Seems to me maybe, since the Spider-man universe itself is deep, you guys should look at sinister six, new spidey, female movie and venom as linked pieces leading to eventual mega movie ala Feige and Fox and not stand alone single films. It's early in all these and you can still map out a blueprint for connective tissue." This sounds absolutely nonsensical...were they really planning on throwing all of these characters into a single movie in the hopes that it would somehow work like The Avengers and the planned Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover? Seriously guys, just make that ******ing deal with Marvel already...

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

^ So Marvel would take over the creative part and basically make movies for Sony while letting Sony get all the profits?

Marvel seem to want the whole kit and kaboodle when it comes to Spidey so I find that hard to believe. Can't see them helping Sony to keep the character even in exchange for sporadic appearances in their universe.

Would be smart to let Marvel reboot the character for them since they know that if they reboot it fans will be against it but if marvel does it they'll support it because of the brand loyalty

Sony has proven that they are capable of doing the character justice, go watch Spiderman 1 and 2, both were critically and commercially acclaimed.

Based on that article, Sony seems to be going about going about a reboot in the right way, less studio involvement and finding directors with great ideas. Fox made 2 terrible X-Men films in a row, Origins I consider to be one of the worst movies of all time, yet they got their **** together and are making in my opinion, the best Marvel superhero movies right now.

Besides I’m not really big on the Superhero team up movies, I would take a great individual Spiderman film over an okay team up film featuring Spiderman any day.

Same here. I don't get the fascination of team-ups and crossovers. Spidey to me has always been best as a solo character. He has the best rogues gallery of the MU and loads of supporting characters to use so he's not like Black Widow or something who needs other properties to tell a story.

I just want Spider-Man movies and think that the current series though hitting a speed bump is perfectly capable of continuing and making good Spider-Man movies.

Seems to me some people just don't care about him unless he's part of that shared universe. Hell if Marvel released the same movie just with an added cameo or Easter eggs of MCU characters hose who hate it probably would've probably liked it more just because of that

 

[pturtle]

Haha, it's funny that you went back and mentioned IM 2 and 3 in your rewrite Pturtle, imo totally destroyed by studio agenda and the impetus to get their universe from point X to point you in an untimely or clunky manner. Thor 2 may not have suffered from this, but yeah....wow, what a misstep indeed.

Yea, I think Marvel is starting to trust their filmmakers more now, so hopefully they keep pumping out quality like TWS and GOTG.

 

[a-dev]

Same here. I don't get the fascination of team-ups and crossovers. Spidey to me has always been best as a solo character. He has the best rogues gallery of the MU and loads of supporting characters to use so he's not like Black Widow or something who needs other properties to tell a story.

I just want Spider-Man movies and think that the current series though hitting a speed bump is perfectly capable of continuing and making good Spider-Man movies.

It's not that he isn't a good solo character, of course he is, but we've had 5 solo Spidey films now. Putting him into the MCU would be the 'new' thing to do with Spiderman, not just making another solo movie which acts as if no other superheroes exist. We've been seeing that for years. By all means continue making solo movies, placing him in the shared Marvel universe isn't necessarily going to stop that.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

It's not that he isn't a good solo character, of course he is, but we've had 5 solo Spidey films now. Putting him into the MCU would be the 'new' thing to do with Spiderman, not just making another solo movie which acts as if no other superheroes exist. We've been seeing that for years.

And we've still barely scratched the surface of potential for storyline and villains

I really hope the deal works out because I would love my favorite character in the MCU proper. He was a huge part of Civil War.

Well RDJ said there wouldn't be a registration stories and it wouldn't be about secret identities since none of them have them in the movies so that basically cuts out Spideys role anyway. Not to mention if they just introduce a rebooted Spidey then it wouldn't have the impact it would since we've never seen the characters interact with him.

It'd be like Afflecks Batman walking in and unmasking himself for Iron Man

 

[DFanatic]

Spiderman doesn't even do well in team ups in the comics... he is often out of place and doesn't stick around for long. I think they should bring him over to Marvel and have him exist in the same universe as the MCU but just let him do his own thing for a while. Eventually tie him with the other movies, but lightly, with a cameo here and there.

That would be my take on it.

 

[Deckard]

You're very observant for being here what? 30 days? Or were you banned under another name and just couldn't stay away?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Spiderman doesn't even do well in team ups in the comics... he is often out of place and doesn't stick around for long. I think they should bring him over to Marvel and have him exist in the same universe as the MCU but just let him do his own thing for a while. Eventually tie him with the other movies, but lightly, with a cameo here and there.

That would be my take on it.

Yeah. He's street level but often out in global threat or other kinds of teams just because he's mates with them but it doesn't fit. Like when he joined the FF he was basically just there to hang out

 

[a-dev]

And we've still barely scratched the surface of potential for storyline and villains

I believe you, although again, any particular reason to think that none of it would happen if the rights went back to Marvel?

 

[DiFabio]

Drop current Sony Garfield Pida-Man.

Do a deal with Marvel where they can make new Spider-Man films, solo and team.

If you want, have Marvel Studios work with Sam Raimi. Maybe have him work alongside Russo Bros. Whedon, James Gunn etc. Pull a Ruffalo Hulk, say Spider-Man movies never existed. Hell, you could say 2002 and 2004 Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 exist within Marvel Universe and disregard 3, ASM and ASM2.

Whatever you do, don't tell an origin story again. Just drop Peter Parker/Spider-Man (whoever it is) into this new world already established.

 

[Xenoburger_]

You're very observant for being here what? 30 days? Or were you banned under another name and just couldn't stay away?

Neither. Try again.