The Amazing Spider-Man - OPEN SPOILERS NOW

[thenammagazine]

You didn't say you wanted him done right.[/QUOT. I didnt say raimi put the freaking venom in the movie and kill him off in ten minutes. The studio asked for venom. Why the ____ would someone want a fan fav character in a film and not done right. that is the dumbest thing you've ever said.

You're all but demanding a Venom in the next movie. You've been spewing the same rhea since before this film was out. Raimi's movie showed a Venom done in haste does not work. PERIOD! There's no way to make it work that way. There are too many interweaving story elements that are crucial to who Venom is for it to be a single movie. This is a cyclical conversation with you because you can't seem to get it through your head, then when you do, you agree, only to come back a week later with, "TEHY NED 2 DO VENOM NOWWWWWWWWW!", wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[CelticPredator]

Well, you wanted Venom, in a film that didn't need Venom.

The studios forced it to make you buy tickets. They did the same thing for Deadpool. A shoehorned fan service with no point, and no respect.

People wanted a Deadpool movie, but I don't think they asked for him to be in Wolverine. As far as I know.

 

[CelticPredator]

Honestly, I just can't see Venom ever working. He requires way too much. It IS possible to do an OK version of the character in one film....but it still needs that build up.

 

[ironwez20]

You're all but demanding a Venom in the next movie. You've been spewing the same rhea since before this film was out. Raimi's movie showed a Venom done in haste does not work. PERIOD! There's no way to make it work that way. There are too many interweaving story elements that are crucial to who Venom is for it to be a single movie. This is a cyclical conversation with you because you can't seem to get it through your head, then when you do, you agree, only to come back a week later with, "TEHY NED 2 DO VENOM NOWWWWWWWWW!", wash, rinse, repeat.

Since when did I say venom needs to be in just one movie. i want them to develop venom in the course of mutiple movie. I know you arent talking about wash rinse and repeat.

"Dur anyone who doesnt like what i like is a troll even tho imma to estupid to know what that means"

"Duh if you like the new remake you a garfield fanboy and are a teh troll"

"Durrrrrrr I love argueing with people younger than me and i love hating things people enjoy"

Rinse and repeat at its finest.

 

[CelticPredator]

This series isn't getting more then one movie right now.

The problem with multiple films is if it fails, then we'll never see the end. It almost happened with Prometheus.

 

[thenammagazine]

Since when did I say venom needs to be in just one movie. i want them to develop venom in the course of mutiple movie. I know you arent talking about wash rinse and repeat.

"Dur anyone who doesnt like what i like is a troll even tho imma to estupid to know what that means"

"Duh if you like the new remake you a garfield fanboy and are a teh troll"

"Durrrrrrr I love argueing with people younger than me and i love hating things people enjoy"

Rinse and repeat at its finest.

^^^ i.e. the point where our point finally sinks in. See you next week with your, "I WAN VENOMZ NOWWWWW" post, same web time, same web channel.

 

[ironwez20]

Well, you wanted Venom, in a film that didn't need Venom.

The studios forced it to make you buy tickets. They did the same thing for Deadpool. A shoehorned fan service with no point, and no respect.

People wanted a Deadpool movie, but I don't think they asked for him to be in Wolverine. As far as I know.

Yup and thats why spidey 3 and wolverine are so hated. They forced a well known character and ____ed them up.

 

[ironwez20]

^^^ i.e. the point where our point finally sinks in. See you next week with your, "I WAN VENOMZ NOWWWWW" post.

Jeeziz do you have somwhere to be ? Always whining watch the damn game and chill out.

 

[CelticPredator]

Right. So let the films do what they do. A

 

[ironwez20]

Right. So let the films do what they do. A

I could care less either way. i wont lose sleep if they dont put venom in the new films i wanna see somthing new aswell. But i'm still rooting for venom to be in the series.

 

[ShadowX81]

I still think he could have been done well in one longer than average film, but he would have to have been the focus. Which means cutting Sandman and major reworks to the Harry storyline.

The first half could have been Symbiote Spiderman vs. Harry, with the introduction of the symbiote allowing him to gain an upper hand in his fight with the New Goblin but coming at the price of bringing out his darker side (prefferably something actually menacing and without any dancing or piano playing). At about the halfway point he ditches the symbiote and it clings to Brock creating Venom. As Venom wreaks havoc and proves to be a much stronger adversary for Spiderman, he and Harry must learn to put aside thier differences to defeat him together.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the studios. Sure they made a few creative demands, but let's be honest here. Spiderman 3 had alot of problems. And some of them had nothing at all to do with the forced inclusion of Venom.

They tried to stuff too much into SM3 which sometimes can blow up in your face. Peter walking down the street and dancing seemed silly as well. It was multifactorial and wasn't just one thing.

 

[thenammagazine]

I still think he could have been done well in one longer than average film, but he would have to have been the focus. Which means cutting Sandman and major reworks to the Harry storyline.

The first half could have been Symbiote Spiderman vs. Harry, with the instroduction of the symbiote allowing him to gain an upper hand in his fight with the New Goblin but coming at the price of bringing out his darker side (prefferably something actually menacing and without any dancing or piano playing). At about the halfway point he ditches the symbiote and it clings to Brock creating Venom. As Venom wreaks havoc and proves to be a much stronger adversary for Spiderman, he and Harry must learn to put aside thier differences to defeat him together.

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's always easier to look back at what could've been done better after it's done worse. That's also assuming the studio gave you enough time to accomplish that and that the means are in your budget. It also means cutting screen time for Thomas Hayden Church (in favor of... cough... Topher) who was still getting nods for Sideways at that time.

 

[CelticPredator]

Which they didn't.

 

[thenammagazine]

They tried to stuff too much into SM3 which sometimes can blow up in your face. Peter walking down the street and dancing seemed silly as well. It was multifactorial and wasn't just one thing.

Which in your very limited capacity, you fail to realize had everything to do with the symbiote/Venom story.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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lol Celtic are you still bashing this xmovie. it was good everyone loved it the sequal is being made and it didnt bomb the end lmao. Yea the origin was anoying to have back but hey new start right ?

it didn't bomb and it has great reviews. The biggest complaint is the origin again, but accepting that and sitting back & letting he film play out is the best thing to do.

Because this is simple film logic. If you go read anything on making films, or watch any special features, any interviews of any director, you'll know this is pretty much true.

If you follow the events up until the film, you'd see this is likely the case.

Maybe it wasn't. But they didn't make the film because they wanted too. That's for sure.

90% of hollywood making movies they don't neccesarily want to make.

Look at all the spoof comedy movies that are so bad you can't watch them sober, or all the wretch inducing romantic comedies or sing & dance Disney crap. They aren't made for the hell of it, it's becase there's a market for them. The writer and director making them might not even like them, but it's their job, they can't all be James Cameron or Wes Anderson.

IMO they made the film because superhero movies are the hottest ticket at the box office, you would have to be brain dead not to want to keep rebooting these movies, granted if it sucked arse I would agree they rushed making it, but the fact is that 5 years later they came out with "The Amazing Spiderman" not to be confused with "Spiderman" and it did a great job. With that being said I cant wait for Spiderman's sequel to Amaze me in a few years.

It is among people's (on here anyways) the best or second best Spider-Man movie made. Just because the studio had to make it doesn't mean the cast & crew didn't try to make it the best they could.

Which in your very limited capacity, you fail to realize had everything to do with the symbiote/Venom story.

He danced or at least strutted to "rain drops" in SM2. Seems the dancing is a Raimi thing rather than studio thing

 

[thenammagazine]

With in your usual slinging of insults fails to recognize the Venom story could have been done much better without the dancing and street swagger. But go on spewing your bile and clinging to your hyperbole. Venom has been a staple of Spidey comics for years but just ignore that fact that they put in too much into the movie (Sandman, Harry, Dancing with the Spidey etc). That's not only way the Venom story could be portrayed and that any other story of him may not have in failure.

What was the whole reason for the dancing? What was making Parker so distinctly not the shy nerd?

 

[CelticPredator]

But that's the way it was when you throw that story in a film that never needed it.

 

[thenammagazine]

But that's the way it was when you throw that story in a film that never needed it.

Shhh, let him answer. He's gotta work through the aneurysm.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Which in your very limited capacity, you fail to realize had everything to do with the symbiote/Venom story.

With in your usual slinging of insults you fail to recognize the Venom story could have been done much better without the dancing and street swagger. But go on spewing your bile and clinging to your hyperbole. Venom has been a staple of Spidey comics for years, but just conveniently ignore that and also the fact that that they put in too much into the movie (Sandman, Harry, Dancing with the Spidey etc).

That's not the only way the Venom story could be portrayed and another version of him may not have been a failure.