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Re: Spider-Man: The Reboot!

I just can't get myself excited about this project. It's too soon for a reboot--they are telling a story that's already been told. Batman Begins (for example) gave us a full origin story that hadn't really been seen in the previous films. This new Spider-Man movie is just going to feel like microwaved leftovers with a second rate cast and from a less experienced director.
 
Re: Spider-Man: The Reboot!

Yeah, I'm not excited by this at all. Didn't really think Spidey needed a reboot to be honest and what I see in that pic makes me go ugh this is gonna suck so ____ing bad.
 
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I'm hoping we don't get another origins story. Has it been stated for certain whether we are or not?
 
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I agree that it could be a bit too soon for a reboot, but it's happening so we have to get past that. I did not want another Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man movie, and I did not want a fourth Spider-Man film set within the trilogy continuity even if they replaced the cast and director.

I can understand everybody's apprehension, but I think it's a bit early to have polar reactions either way until we actually see footage or promo pics. SDCC should be exciting.
 
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I was against it at first. But EVERYTHING, they've been doing has all been what i wanted out of Raimi's in the first place. (so far so good)

Plus Raimi did some really good things, but also some really bad things in those movies. And when i look back on them even 1&2 are sub-par. Organic webbing has always bothered me and is not Spider-Man. They were actually gonna do webshooters in the first movie, but didn't like how they looked underneath the costume(so i hear) so they went organic (lame) Hope we get them this time. (if they really wanna differentiate they will.)

I didn't care for MJ at all. And when your gonna have her be saved in every film (lame X2) that's gotta happen. Goblin Suit (say no more) New Goblin (/puke) I could go on, Raimi has a solid base, but never executed the coolness of SM. (IMO)


So while it's way too soon to say my hopes are high enough.

1. Gwen to start and no MJ (perfect)
2. Consulting Bendis, USM route (good)
3. Lizard (good fans want this)

Give me webshooters and were really on the right track for this. (I have not seen 500 days of Summer but i hear it's good.) Marc is gonna be a Sony yes man so we'll see. But i really think Raimi was at odds with Sony even in SM2 and it just carried over. I dunno, my point is SM1 and 2 were good, but coulda been WAY better.
 
Re: Spider-Man: The Reboot!

I agree that it could be a bit too soon for a reboot, but it's happening so we have to get past that. I did not want another Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man movie, and I did not want a fourth Spider-Man film set within the trilogy continuity even if they replaced the cast and director.

I can understand everybody's apprehension, but I think it's a bit early to have polar reactions either way until we actually see footage or promo pics. SDCC should be exciting.

Just out of curiosity, why didn't you want a fourth film set to the continuity of the first three?
 
Re: Spider-Man: The Reboot!

I don't know about Plasmid but it hasn't proven successful outside of the Bond franchise where is a nod to the previous instead of a direct connection for the most part. Look at the defunct Batman trilogy before Nolan, Joel Schumacher in Batman Forever was doing a Burton impression with his own (Schumacher) subtile touches like nipples and architecture and definite body shots but it didn't work. The Riddler or Two Face as they were portrayed in BF wouldn't naturally connect with Penguin or The Joker as they were set up. It wasn't a bad movie per se but it didn't connect.

I wouldn't want a fourth Spider-Man film to connect to Raimi universe anymore than they do with the Bondverse because it'll get screwed up. A reboot wasn't necessary IMHO but I'd rather that then Webb try to be Raimi.
 
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It was originally supposed to be, but then I think it was changed to college. Of course whether any of that is fact or speculation is always hard to tell.

As for the continuity, I can see how it would be a problem with a new director trying to imitate the previous one, but if they do everything their way and just use the previous stories I don't see how it would be a problem. Have Peter in the next movie in college, back with Mary Jane or Gwen or however the last ended, Harry is dead, Connors becomes Lizard (maybe tying in the w/ the symbiote, but I'll leave opinion of that to those who know the comics better than I do) without having an odd musical number in the middle of the movie and other things that were Raimi's stamp.
 
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Just out of curiosity, why didn't you want a fourth film set to the continuity of the first three?

My feelings pretty much reflect what Mike said (and said well). I also didn't appreciate how certain characters were developed in the trilogy, particularly Gwen Stacy, Venom, Sandman/Flint Marko, among others.
 
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Yea Raimi basically destroyed what little he had done right by the end of 3. Not fair to force a new cast to come in and try to sift through that wreckage.
 
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:lol True, I forget how much people hated S-M 3. I agree about the way characters were handled in that. Gwen being in the movie was a waste, Sandman was good up until he started crying and turned into dust in the wind, and Venom...well...
 
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Funny, when they first debuted I don't really remember anyone having a problem with Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2. They were GOOD movies. Yeah there was always that crap about the Green Goblin's suit and a few other things but nothing that really stood out to make them seem bad.

The complaint about the web shooters was always there from the beginning but it was a necessary evil. Scripts all the way back in the early 90s had Spider-Man sporting organic webbing. You can blame James Cameron for that. From a film perspective it felt like a natural thing to do. It's the same reason we see Batman running around in black body armor instead of a blue and grey leotard. In fact, I remember being a little upset finding out that he wouldn't have web shooters but once I saw the film, I completely forgot about them. In fact, the organic web shooters seemed like a better idea than Parker creating them himself. Plus it would take time from the actual story if we had to see the origin of those webshooters, a belt he carried with him, etc.

Spider-Man 3 aside, it seems once this Spider-Man reboot came rolling around people went back and looked at Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 as inferior films. I just don't understand it.

Think back to when those films came out in 2002 and 2004 and all the hype and general good feeling for them. Speculating on what was going to become of Harry Osborn, or the initial pics of Doc Ock. Those were great times. I never remember complaints about Tobey Maguire being an "awful" Spider-Man. In fact, weren't fans getting pissed when he was contemplating backing out of SM2 after that accident?

I don't know what the hell happened. I'm not going to turn my back on something I enjoyed. Yeah, Spider-Man 3 didn't live up to the hype and buzz that surrounded. Especially in the beginning with those great trailers. But I don't think it was really necessary to go back and reboot it. It sure as hell didn't suffer at the box office.

Yeah, it's done now and I'm willing to give the reboot a chance but I just don't like seeing this hate against the first two. There were some complaints, yes, but nothing like this.

And if people really feel that way about them, well the films never changed, we did.
 
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Re: Spider-Man: The Reboot!

i'm with difabio on this. i still think SM1 and SM2 are great movies and even SM3 on repeat viewings isn't as horrendous as i first thought it was. i'm pretty sure back in the day people wanted other marvel characters to be treated with the same respect SM got. i recall it as being the benchmark back then.

i don't know where the sudden mass hatred came from either but i think some of it has to do with the bandwagon mentality that happens with these things. it's cooler to hate something than own up to liking it apparently. especially when a minority adamantly state a movie was outright bad as a matter of fact. ____ just seems to snowball from there.

i guess we'll wait and see once the reboot comes out, but it looks pretty uninteresting at the moment. i have absolutely no desire to see it. and i remember i was dying to see SM3 when it was announced.
 
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I still love the first Spidey film. It's about as spot-on to the comics (Goblin costume aside) as you can expect from a live-action movie treatment. Everything was there, Uncle Ben, the wrestling match and Peter letting the robber go, wise-cracking Spidey (something that disappered in the subsequent films) the screwed up relationship between Norman and Harry. That's the one superhero movie I can point to and say that it's the comic books come to life.
 
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I thought both 1 &2 were good. It's been a long time since I've seen them so I can't cite examples, but I do seem to recall that they both had some flaws. Nothing big though.
 
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The first one isn't spot on to the comics. Especially considering the way the Goblin comes about, but its closer than A LOT of other film representations, costume as well (for Spidey). Then again Raimi undid some of his masterpiece in the third...

Here is the thing about the first two films, it spawned three kinds of fans: Genre Fans, Bandwagon fans and Spidey Fans. The first came out when honestly what else was out there in 2002? X-Men was out two years before but changed everything about the X-Men from roster, to Wolverine to costume to origins of the team and while people were loving it, it still was a change. Blade was a memory from 1998 which still was stinging from the Batman and Robin fiasco the year before.

It was groundbreaking, the costumes we saw from the books translated, the feel, the look was perfect....for the time. People went fanatic. The first film holds up pretty well still compared to the films of today. Then there was the second, besting X-2 which was applauded better than Spidey and people went nuts again, but that film doesn't hold up. Despite the performance by Molina, the film is littered with problems, mainly from combining three different storylines into one without the pay-off of any of them. It was a bad film but people were caught up in it, myself included but going back and looking at it deserves to be dismantled. Spider-Man 3 is a wreck so no use in wasting breath there.

Raimi almost as a ____ you destroyed what he made in SM and SM2, one wonders if purposefully...so that tie is gone. Harry dead? Gwen and MJ up in the air? It'd be a whole fourth film of tying up the loose ends.

What changed it honestly was Batman Begins and to a more extent The Dark Knight. It was a serious superhero film, ones done as if the Superhero aspect was a subplot instead of the actual main story. TDK holds up as a crime drama almost as much as films like Heat if you remove the Bat aspects. SM3 is goofy by comparison to the first two but even more so against BB/TDK.

Bandwagon fans have moved on, I fully expect a ton of them to hit onto the Green Lantern, then off to Cap, then off to Thor, etc. Genre fans are demanding more than Raimi has given, not how much he could have given because he was definitely at the mercy of Avi Arad but more than we've seen, especially considering the directors now handling films like Thor and The Wolverine.

Spidey fans are the ones who still hold the films so high, all three because they love the character and so its their character come to life. I'll be the first to admit that IM2 wasn't a good film and very disjointed but I love the character and still love watching it.

I get the love for Raimi's films because while I don't care much for Favreau I love what he put out there for my favorite character but they aren't perfect. Just like Donner's Superman or Burton's Batman or in all honestly Nolan's TDK aren't perfect. When the fandom fades you'll see people dissecting TDK for it's flaws in the genre and Nolan's mishandling of the character in general (it's there whether you admit it or not) but it'll stay in people's minds as a fond memory no matter what Garfield and Webb put out.
 
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I was never a Tobey hater. Never quite understood all of that. I liked 1&2, just thought they coulda been way better. Always some things that irked me about them. (little things) But overall they were done well enough. I came out of two already not caring for MJ...Not a good sign. Like i said i think Sam laid a good base, but never fully executed.
 
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I didn't like Tobey from the beginning. That isn't what Peter Parker was even at the time. Peter was a nerd for the origin and then was given the same look and feel as the rest of the people who used to pick on him. Hell he looked like Flash Thompson at times in the books. Even looked better than Harry most of the time in the books. Tobey could have IMHO pulled off a better Osborn and Franco could have pulled a better Peter.

Once I saw the film and it's positive aspects I was able to put it aside and enjoy the film and that is an important thing because I think Garfield to an extent needs that as well. I didn't like Keaton as Batman still don't but loved the film at the time and have fond memories for it.

Tobey Maguire isn't Peter Parker to me, never was but I won't lie and say I didn't really like the films when they were out. I'm just far enough from the films to realize he was miscast in terms of comic book look/feel but still did a great job in the role which is more of a nod to his talents than the casting agent.
 
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