The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[matticus]

I think the Batman that was presented in the JL Animated Series was the best way to go about Batman in a team. He is paranoid, closed off and doesn't trust anyone. But he reluctantly works with the team. He knows all and is quick to correct others. Less is more with him in the Justice League.

You have Cavill who should be driving a JL movie instead of a Batman. WB only knows Batman and tries to drive him into almost every IP. Cavill's Supes could have been the soul of the JL driving them towards doing the right thing. IMO, it all kind of went downhill with Superman snapping Zod's neck. Just not the right approach for a general audience to grab onto. Not debating the choice in that selected moment, but just too graphic novel material for a franchise to grow with.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Certainly SpiderMan made more than Batman, is that what you want me to say?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yes, but Superman is obviously pulling his punches.

Even "Evil" Superman was pulling punches? I don't think so.

So either Batman has tremendous strength or Superman is much weaker than we all thought. Pick one only please.

 

[Alatar]

Certainly SpiderMan made more than Batman, is that what you want me to say?

Well, I did acknowledge your point but feel compelled to counter it with that one which imho is just as true and relevant.

I think we can probably agree, though, that both Batman and Spider-Man them stand atop the CBM heap at about roughly the same level of popularity. All I was pointing out is that there is a metahuman superhero as popular as Batman.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well, I did acknowledge your point but feel compelled to counter it with that one which imho is just as true and relevant.

I think we can probably agree, though, that both Batman and Spider-Man them stand atop the CBM

Yes, of course.

Again, my point with Batman previously was taking NWH out of the equation for a moment -- like looking at performance of 2nd place if you will.

 

[Alatar]

Even "Evil" Superman was pulling punches? I don't think so.

So either Batman has tremendous strength or Superman is much weaker than we all thought. Pick one only please.

You think Superman in BvS is evil? I mean, there is Bruce's vision of the Knightmare future that Barry Allen stimulates with his time travel to the Batcave. But that's not the Superman in BvS. That's the Superman that will be after Darkseid obtains the antilife equation in the future.

Yes, Superman (who is good in BvS) pulls his punches!

 

[Alatar]

Yes, of course.

Again, my point with Batman previously was taking NWH out of the equation for a moment -- like looking at performance of 2nd place if you will.

Alright, well... according to that logic how about let's remove Joker as well then! Yes, there's a few seconds moment showing Bruce as a boy. But Joker is not really a Batman film per se.

 

[Wor-Gar]

You think Superman in BvS is evil? I

No, "evil" (in quotes) Superman in JL.

 

[Alatar]

No, "evil" (in quotes) Superman in JL.

Okay gotcha, a just resurrected and consequently confused or delirious Superman then. He starts to incinerate Batman but Batman uses the new tech Alfred had he created to absorb energy with his gauntlets. Then as we know Lois shows up, etc.

I mean, hey, yeah with the lot of them except for Barry Superman could have used super speed and destroyed them all if he wanted to be done. They were lucky he was still confused I guess. By the same token I suppose Barry could have gotten them all to safety as well. But at that point Barry and Arthur are still recovering from their collision.

Is it really that jarring that Superman doesn’t annihilate them all?

 

[Alatar]

@Wor-Gar for what it’s worth I like Batman better than Spider-Man! I do like grounded takes with regular human villains for Batman. It arguably does work better for him than him taking on metas. I mean it’s a matter of taste but I can totally respect that taste if that helps any.

But one day I would still love to see Batman take on a relatively grounded Solomon Grundy.

 

[ironwez20]

I like my Batman dark with sprinkles in fantasy elements. I don’t see why you can’t have a realistic approach with Batman’s more monstrous rogue gallery put in. The animated series struck the right balance . I’d argue the dark knight did a good job doing this. Two face was literally a half zombie half man . I’m completely fine with putting in these aspects. WB is just so afraid of doing it. They are so afraid of robin and freeze and ivy and so many others .

 

[Khev]

I hope that the fantasy elements of the Pattinson series stay technologically based and don't delve into monsters, magic, or aliens. I'm thinking Bond or M:I series level fantasy tech which would still give them a lot of options.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I like my Batman dark with sprinkles in fantasy elements. I don’t see why you can’t have a realistic approach with Batman’s more monstrous rogue gallery put in. The animated series struck the right balance . I’d argue the dark knight did a good job doing this. Two face was literally a half zombie half man . I’m completely fine with putting in these aspects. WB is just so afraid of doing it. They are so afraid of robin and freeze and ivy and so many others .

But Two-Face in Nolan's film was also utterly ridiculous. To me.

It's very hard to have it both ways, but I agree with you -- I like a little more fantasy in my Batman (like Burton) more than I do mean streets gritty (like Nolan). Mainly because the source material is not grounded in total reality.

The Batman has the right feel to me; Gotham is more stylized. But their Riddler is very grounded in reality and could very much fit in Nolan's world. In fact, The Batman Riddler and Penguin are better for Nolan's world, while Nolan's Two-Face might fit better with Reeves world. If Nolan Two-Face was in Reeve's Gotham and had to keep injecting himself with venom to numb the pain of his accident, I could totally buy that.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I hope that the fantasy elements of the Pattinson series stay technologically based and don't delve into monsters, magic, or aliens. I'm thinking Bond or M:I series level fantasy tech which would still give them a lot of options.

Yes, here's where I deviate with ironwez and alatar -- I don't want monsters and magic in Gotham. No metas.

No ManBat or Poison Ivy or even Killer Kroc. Mr. Freeze is about as "fantasy" as I would like to go.

 

[jye4ever]

But Two-Face in Nolan's film was also utterly ridiculous. To me.

It's very hard to have it both ways, but I agree with you -- I like a little more fantasy in my Batman (like Burton) more than I do mean streets gritty (like Nolan). Mainly because the source material is not grounded in total reality.

The Batman has the right feel to me; Gotham is more stylized. But their Riddler is very grounded in reality and could very much fit in Nolan's world. In fact, The Batman Riddler and Penguin are better for Nolan's world, while Nolan's Two-Face might fit better with Reeves world. If Nolan Two-Face was in Reeve's Gotham and had to keep injecting himself with venom to numb the pain of his accident, I could totally buy that.

That is pretty mind blowing.

Crazy how things work out.

 

[jye4ever]

I hope that the fantasy elements of the Pattinson series stay technologically based and don't delve into monsters, magic, or aliens. I'm thinking Bond or M:I series level fantasy tech which would still give them a lot of options.

WB just released what Batman will look like in the sequel they said they need to lighten the mood just a little to be more family friendly….

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder if Riddler will become more like the traditional Riddler in a sequel? Clearly he's not dead, perhaps even paired with Joker. Certainly now that his origin story is finished, they will need a new identity for this character.

I would like to see Joker, nuRiddler and Mr. Freeze in the sequel... but that's just me.

 

[Khev]

Yes, here's where I deviate with ironwez and alatar -- I don't want monsters and magic in Gotham. No metas.

No ManBat or Poison Ivy or even Killer Kroc. Mr. Freeze is about as "fantasy" as I would like to go.

Nolan's Scarecrow was genius. It provided all the fantasy elements without being too hokey for the universe.

I'd love to see a Mr. Freeze that somehow toed that line as well.

 

[ironwez20]

Yes, here's where I deviate with ironwez and alatar -- I don't want monsters and magic in Gotham. No metas.

No ManBat or Poison Ivy or even Killer Kroc. Mr. Freeze is about as "fantasy" as I would like to go.

Aw why not? They can be done good tbh. There is so much potential in each of the monsters rogue gallery.

poison ivy - a crazed eco terrorist who hates men and wants to turn gotham to into a jungle or something. Blows up big corporations and goes after wayne thinking he’s the the biggest contributor.

man bat- the fly body horror type scenario. He loses his humanity and starts to become desperate in finding a cure. Could be like a side villain.

clay face - an actor who can change his face into anyone . Uses clay but is really a monster without the clay. Sabotages Bruce Wayne but he loses his humanity as he doesn’t know himself anymore.

freeze- sympathetic man drove to madness finding a cure for his wife. Goes after all who wrong him. Wants to freeze gotham for what they did to his family. Huge potential. I mean I know Batman and Robin did this but reeves can do it better lol.

killer croc- sympathetic man who has a bad skin condition and sharp teeth. Lives in the sewer and eats people. Gets outed and Batman must stop him after he kills to many .

they all have great potential. But I understand not wanting to much mcu type fantasy

oh yea and give me a huge bane this time complete with the mask. No small pantie mask bane. Thanks

 

[ironwez20]

WB just released what Batman will look like in the sequel they said they need to lighten the mood just a little to be more family friendly….

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After looking at those hbo max numbers they aren’t touching a thing lol