The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[Victοr]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

True, instead of alcoholic Tony, we got heartburn Tony...but it was fun!!

Eh, he had PTSD. Besides, folks LOVE to cite Demon in a Bottle, but that story's very brief. Tony overcomes his addiction in... panels. The only thing that really came out of it was Rhodey as Iron Man. And to do that you need to go through the War Machine story first. MCU Iron Man was never gonna go there. It's like asking from the FoxMen to tackle the Morlock Massacre, Fatal Attractions, Inferno, Morrison's X-Men, etc, etc.

 

[abake]

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He's good for Super-Heroes and Kirby-era Fantastic Four. Period. The MCU is a modern take on old, not-so-serious stories from books about folks in underwear. Anybody expecting anything more is a contrarian just for the sake of it. It was never supposed to be "mature", to use a word the "intellectuals" throw around. It was always supposed to be a way to have fun for a couple of hours and see the heroes from your childhood brought to life. And it's done that. But nah, we better expect million dollar summer flicks based on caped heroes in bright costumes to explore the themes of mortality, religion, faith, the human element...

Well, I'd argue that the more interesting and acclaimed comics do exactly that: they tackle mature themes that explore mortality, religion, faith, the human condition, the role of the media in today's world, geo-politics, etc.
So, as always, I'll applaud the DCEU for tackling those themes in their movies.
And yes, I'm aware that fans say CA:TWS and CW also tackle such themes, but I don't really see a serious effort to do so in those movies. As somebody else said, I can have as much fun watching Cap throw his shield around as the next person (I had a blast watching Ant Man), but I find the DCEU movies so much more interesting.

 

[karamazov80]

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You know what it is SNIK, I can totally appreciate the complexities infused into TDK while simultaneously giggling like little girl when Hulk smashed Loki because I don't think of myself as being above enjoying silly moments like that just because it has a few layers less of adult drama.

Afterall some of these characters are colorful superheroes who sometimes do silly colorful stuff, not every piece of cinema requires deep metaphysical geopolitical transformigation, it's ok to relax sometimes and just have fun watching Cap throw his shield.

Movies are also meant for escapism from the stress of real life, so where is the crime if the MCU doesn't offer the same level of complexities of TDK, tell me where is the harm in that, who is it hurting?

Fun SNIK, it's ok to have fun in the theater you know.

It really is a kind of love letter to the Stan Lee/Kirby/Ditko comics they are based on. Though from the get go, Hulk and X-men were a bit different than the others with conflict being so key to those stories.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

Well, I'd argue that the more interesting and acclaimed comics do exactly that: they tackle mature themes that explore mortality, religion, faith, the human condition, the role of the media in today's world, geo-politics, etc.
So, as always, I'll applaud the DCEU for tackling those themes in their movies.
And yes, I'm aware that fans say CA:TWS and CW also tackle such themes, but I don't really see a serious effort to do so in those movies. As somebody else said, I can have as much fun watching Cap throw his shield around as the next person (I had a blast watching Ant Man), but I find the DCEU movies so much more interesting.

Here's the thing: Indies, Vertigo and MAX titles do that. Not the main universe titles. The X-Men had a period in the 80s where they had such stories, but then they had events with demons led by the clone of Jean grey, whom Cyclops abandoned. Captain America explored politics with Gruenwald's run and Brubaker's, which people love to cite, but have never read. Iron Man's best run has been Ellis' 6-issue Extremis, which was a fairly boring story, the Knauf run which needs Tony as Director of SHIELD to work, and Fraction's run which is basically the MCU version with more blood and guts.

Main Continuity comics rarely explore these themes, and when they do, it's nothing more than what you'd see in a Saturday Morning Cartoon. In the end, they'll always wear their bright suits, punch a monster and be done with it. If you wanna talk indies and imprints, sure, I ain't dissagreeing. But like I've already said, superhero movies will never have these themes as their focal points. CBMs yes, super-hero flicks, no.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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O come on now . What are you all fighting about? They both have immense problems

1 is to reliant on heavy cg, lost most of its characters so it's trying to boost up c list heroes. Horrible at villains , always fighting an army at the end. When Robert Downey leaves you might as well kiss the mcu good bye.

2. Tries way to hard to play catch up. It's to reliant on one guy who made like 2 decent movies. Doesn't understand it's characters. Isn't fun whatsoever.

3. Which is fox wants to keep the rights so bad they are quick to pump now mediocre films and screwed the universe up so bad the interest in the franchise is dying.

> Does not include TDKT
> It proves once again the pure awesomeness and perfection of the Nolan trilogy.

 

[jye4ever]

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Eh, he had PTSD. Besides, folks LOVE to cite Demon in a Bottle, but that story's very brief. Tony overcomes his addiction in... panels. The only thing that really came out of it was Rhodey as Iron Man. And to do that you need to go through the War Machine story first. MCU Iron Man was never gonna go there. It's like asking from the FoxMen to tackle the Morlock Massacre, Fatal Attractions, Inferno, Morrison's X-Men, etc, etc.

It really is a kind of love letter to the Stan Lee/Kirby/Ditko comics they are based on. Though from the get go, Hulk and X-men were a bit different than the others with conflict being so key to those stories.

I hope that one day you will get the XM movie that you have rumbling around in your head.

Superman we already pretty much got a perfect interpertation 39 years ago, not really complicated if you ask me, the hero rises and smiles.

Cap, already got it.

Batman, yup we're good.

Spiderman, already got it....well...close enough.

> Does not include TDKT
> It proves once again the pure awesomeness and perfection of the Nolan trilogy.

TDKR is the biggest let down in cinema history for me.

AOU not even close to the travesty that was TDKR.

Had TDKR not been a money grab by sir Nolan and instead been a quality film it would've been one of the best trilogies in cinematic history, not even coming 2nd to LOTR, it would've tied with it.

 

[crows]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

Marvelguys be like :

 

[Khev]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

TDKR is the biggest let down in cinema history for me.

*ahem*

 

[jye4ever]

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*ahem*

Hmmm on the surface yes nothing can touch that....THAT was a crime against humanity!

But where i'm coming from is that we were coming off 2 very solid Batman movies (BB 3rd act can be forgiven as can Dent's fall and resolution) therefore we were all expecting another solid entry to close it off since it was coming from the same director.

TPM was the 1st movie out of a trilogy and since it was a disaster right off the bat I was no longer anticipating anything good to come out of it, we all knew it wasn't going to recover.

All Nolan had to do was land his 3rd movie.

That plane crashed and burned.

 

[Khev]

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jye did you actually click on the video though.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

:TDKR is the biggest let down in cinema history for me.

Yes

Spoiler

No one cared who I was until I put on the mask...

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

jye did you actually click on the video though.

You have just ruined the only good thing about TPM.

Aim like a drunkard.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

[emoji38] True, though I also was a fan of Batman and several other Marvel comics--particularly Spiderman and West Coast Avengers. And of course, I like several X-men movies quite a bit. But you can understand how I've been beaten down and become a bit cynical toward the whole enterprise here. Transformers, GI Joe, FF, and Superman have all been disgraces in recent years. Feige should take over every one of those properties.

Marvel could probably make a West Coast Avengers movie and it'll still be better than any of these new DC movies

 

[Khev]

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Aim like a drunkard.

 

[crows]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

You have just ruined the only good thing about TPM.

Aim like a drunkard.

It needed to be ruined.

 

[jye4ever]

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Even though you didn't create the video I had no idea of its existence therefore the blame squarely falls on you.

It needed to be ruined.

The lightsaber battle, why you say that crows, why are you so bitter and angry at the world, why crows why.

Yeah, I won't even watch that battle anymore because I can't stomach what its wrapped in.

 

[crows]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

Even though you didn't create the video I had no idea of its existence therefore the blame squarely falls on you.



The lightsaber battle, why you say that crows, why are you so bitter and angry at the world, why crows why.

Yeah, I won't even watch that battle anymore because I can't stomach what its wrapped in.

The fight has always been bad.
It was just nostalgia blinding you. Blinding you to the truth.

 

[jye4ever]

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The sound of the sabers clashing has always sounded sooooooo good though

But that Maul twirl....yikes....why.

Yeah when you study it most of it doesn't make sense.

But that sound.

 

[crows]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film

The sound of the sabers clashing has always sounded sooooooo good though

But that Maul twirl....yikes....why.

Yeah when you study it most of it doesn't make sense.

But that sound.

Just save this video for a lonely time buddy

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Matt Reeves Batman film



for my lonely nights

why crows, you shouldn't have.