As far as live action is concerned, there is no doubt about that. In Legends you would be gravely wrong. But that is what people like me have to accept, that OT characters just aren't serviced well in the Disney world.
Just waiting for the Vader/Obi-Wan showdown in the Obi-Wan tv show.
No. **** no. I hope you didn't either.
This is an elegant distillation of what several of us have been saying about the poor writing and direction. It's all poorly photocopied broad strokes.
I'll be honest - I only read the first sentence of each paragraph. A tdlr summary would be greatly appreciatedAnother episode, another disappointment. It was "better", certainly. But was it "good"? Not really. Look, we all know that this is disposable, popcorn entertainment. Something you pop on, "watch" while you're eating lunch, spot a couple of cool scenes and that's it. The problem is, it doesn't achieve that. For something to be entertaining it must deliver on some level. Something of the whole must be genuinely good in order to keep you engaged and provide you with some genuine excitement. This has nothing. Writing? Acting? Effects? Action? Cinematography? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I cannot name a single performance that is anything beyond the CW. Well, they whine more there. The writing? B-Movie straight-to-VOD level. Fine, what about the "look"? Nope, a cheap desert planet filled with uninspired designs. How about the cinematography? Alright, I never expected it to win any awards, but we went from literal YouTube fanfilm level of E1 to "barely passable budget syfy tv show" in E2. Well, what about the action? Is it at least interesting? No, not particularly. There's nothing exciting to it. It's basic. It's all, at best, basic.
With every big IP, I care only about the "core". I know there are people who like the underdogs, the auxiliary characters, all of that. But to me, it never made sense to get invested in a setting of Space Sorcerer Knights, and care about some schmuck piloting an X-Wing. I never understood that mindset, I never will. If I want space combat, I'll try an IP specifically about space combat. With that said, I was never going to be enthusiastic about this show, the same way I wasn't about the Mandalorian. I keep up with them because it's easy (at most 1hr/week) and because I want to keep tabs on the Jedi/Sith business. The difference is, even with my general indifference towards the main story, I still enjoyed the Mandalorian. It knew what it was and strived to be to get better and better. And it was enjoyable. It really was. Some missteps here and there, some faults, but a fun journey with some heart. But this... what is this? I'll tell you what it is; cheap filler to kill time and sell toys to clueless kids and addicted adults stuck in arrested development to the point where they'll gobble up anything with [BRAND NAME] instead of critiquing each product on its own merits.
Do you know waht the biggest problem is? With all of these spinoffs, it's always the same. It's never about telling a new story and following the established rules. Because that's what people want at the end of the day. Something that meets their expectations and maybe goes a bit further, surprises them a bit. You make a show about a Bounty Hunter from a Space Fantasy property, people expect that. But no, you're smart, you subvert expectations; it's time for a soul searching journey that contradicts established lore and fan perception built over decades, simply to ape on another piece of work. Because that's how all of these things work. They take a shoddy skeleton of a pitch, model it after a pre-existing movie/show/book/story, remove everything that made that a classic, take away everything that made the base pop culture property fun and entertaining, and you're ready to market it as something "different". And oh boy, anyone who disagrees is just a moronic nerd who cannot into deconstructrion and "culture".
Let's say I'm a newcomer. I don't give two ***** about Boba Fett. I've never read his books or played any games. All of you lot I see as a bunch of piss-guzzling, smelly virgin ******* incel pigs [insert every other modern insult for the group of people that kept these things in business for decades] and I don't care about what Boba Fett was supposed to be in your thick heads. Let's say I'm excited to watch Godfather: Space Edition. What am I getting? Jack. I'm getting nothing. Because the writing isn't good enough. The acting isn't good enough. The cinematography isn't good enough. There's no mood to suck me in. I don't see Boba's conflicts, fears and worries about his life anywhere. There's no subtle hint of grimace, no throwaway line that drives home the message. There's nothing showing me all these things bar a bare collection of vignettes that are supposed to make me infer all these. There's no art in it. No passion. I "get" these things. I "get" what they want me to. But they're not making me feel it. They're not making me believe it. And so they have failed. That's it.
You know what it always comes down to? The fact that everything bar the core exists for worldbuilding; filler. And if it's a hit it gets diluted to the point where it turns into a copy of an already existing work, or is a copy of the core, but in a different flavour. Take every successful cape and count their spinoffs. Same stories, more or less. Same settings, more or less. Same enemies, more or less. What changes is the costume, maybe the superficial attitude of the MC. But the rest is the same. And that's alright as long as you're delivering the pop culture equivalent of "comfort food". But no, sometimes they try to be witty and "original" and we get these things.
Personally I don't, will not, accept the "it's a kid's show" arguments. I'm not giving it a pass. Do you want to know what else is a kid's show? Doctor Who. It was created for 8 YOs and made for the whole family. It's often had the worst effects around and it's a profoundly silly show. And yet it has some really poignant lines, it tackles themes with genuine maturity, even if it can be one-sided and blinded, and never feels patronising. The Doctor talks about love and loss and sorrow, and he loses and he kills and commits genocides and everything and anything you can imagine. And everyone tries their best, there's genuine pathos and fun shared by the actors and actresses. Genuine emotion, from the slapstick to the heavy bits, not "witty" one-liners delivered by emotionless or overacting caricatures, nor stock lines said in deadpan voices. Doctor Who can be downright stupid, but it's earnest, and that's the difference. This, like a lot of the Disney era SW products, is nothing more than pure merchandising. There's no merit to it. It's empty. Soulless. Ugly. Clone Wars had some good bits, even if it was a stock cartoon and not nearly as "deep" as people pretend. Even Rebels had a few shining moments. Bad Batch was subpar but consistent in its quality. This, truth be told, could be called the same; a subpar live-action cartoon. But that's insulting, and that's the problem. It's not sold to me as an average cartoon, it's sold to me as a show about a man going through a transformation, and that's why I'm not getting the expected simple but effective concept of "badass antihero bounty hunter". The fact that it stumbles so is proof of how stupid they consider their consumer base, or how high an opinion they have of themselves.
You don't need to go through a thesaurus to have good writing. You don't need to be Daniel-Day Lewis to have good acting. You just need to care, even a tiny bit, to know what you're making, and to try and create something entertaining in this pop culture world you're inhabiting. With every episode the more I feel disgusted with this whole ordeal. Oh, I'll keep watching. Because I'm not all right in the head and I need to keep tabs on all of it in case some Sith or Jedi shows up with a lightsaber and then I replay the scene 10 times going 'woosh'. I know what I am. But I will not accept this ridicule. At least not without posting a rant on a dolly forum.
If anything, I'm sort of glad this is so bad. It drives home just how pointless all this is. A neverending stream of nonsensical nothingness hinging on a few quality bits that hold the entire thing together. I'm dropping figures from my lists left and right. I got my Thanos today. I spent ~500€ on it. Half a grand. I didn't particularly feel anything. And I love Thanos. I still have original copies of the Infinity Gauntlet/War minis. But I'll be damned if I'll be going around spending that for C-List background characters. It's all so garish when you look at it from up close. What do they represent? Most of them nothing but a fad. So no, not anymore. Not for me. It's either in my top, or away it goes. It's either key to the display I've set in stone for a decade now, or away it goes.
I'm not expecting a revelation of the soul. I'm not demanding my life be altered by witnessing Boba Fett's adventures. All I want is a little bit of heart and earnestness. Why has everybody forgotten that? We're all so buried under irony and smarmy quipping that nothing is genuine. I don't care what the genre or the character or anything else is, just add some proper passion into it. Make it feel real. Make me believe it. Don't hide behind your IP or your self-aware bull; just be honest. Is that really such an awful lot to want?
If you disagree, drop an angry face reaction. I'll be honest, I'm too tired to argue over a show staring a fat stocky guy wandering around a space desert, dressed in plastic armour, escorted by two guys in cheap green pig costumes, and wanting to be judged as "Godfather In Space". I just won't do it. Call me a coward, but I just won't do it. If you do agree, I'll respond, because trashing things is enjoyable.
Where are Khev and Jye?
Their absence is suspicious. They either liked the episode or hated it....or thought it was ok.
It's what drove them over the edge. They like Boba so much, they can't watch him be Indy ***** again.More like
They're BIG SW fans.
It's what drove them over the edge. They like Boba so much, they can't watch him be Indy ***** again.
Most of pop culture is photocopied broad strokes. But you can do it properly, you can put your heart into it and create something worthwhile, or you can halfass it, shout "IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT, YOU'RE JUST A STICK IN THE MUD" and the masses will eat it up. Lucas combined and copied and stole from so many different sources. But he had talent and he did that well. So he produced something with genuine soul. Something can be as simple as a fairytale played beat-for-beat the same, and still resonate with people from all walks of life. This is just cheap. And I abhor this hypocrisy. This tendency to not do what everyone wants and expects, but at the same time to be so dreadfuly engligent of putting any genuine effort in your "new" iteration. It's all so fake.
It's stupid commercialised ******** with no effort put behind it that is ultimately just filler so that Disney can make money off dumb kids, and people between their mid 20s and 60s stuck in arrested development who'll excuse it all because "Stah Waz". It commits the greatest sin entertainment can, and that's to be boring, trite and devoid of any genuine heart.I'll be honest - I only read the first sentence of each paragraph. A tdlr summary would be greatly appreciated
I don't think you can put that any better about this show. People take it and think it's gold but they cannot support their claims. The people who rip it give plenty of examples why it sucks.
Nah man, you're just not getting the deeply spiritual transformation of Boba Fett from a totally uncharacterised noncharacter to a fully realised and multifaceted persona, told through cliches, static shots and stock phrases. What's the matter, is it too subtle for your brain, filled with faulty preconceived notions such as it is, to pick up on it?
You give this board a +10 intelligence. Making Fett a clone was a terrible decision. Selling to Disney also was a terrible decision. What, his kids didn't want to take it over?
Oh my this was masterful. Well done. End the thread. Nothing will top this. Now I feel bad about still contemplating to get the new Hot Toys Boba Two Pack.Another episode, another disappointment. It was "better", certainly. But was it "good"? Not really. Look, we all know that this is disposable, popcorn entertainment. Something you pop on, "watch" while you're eating lunch, spot a couple of cool scenes and that's it. The problem is, it doesn't achieve that. For something to be entertaining it must deliver on some level. Something of the whole must be genuinely good in order to keep you engaged and provide you with some genuine excitement. This has nothing. Writing? Acting? Effects? Action? Cinematography? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I cannot name a single performance that is anything beyond the CW. Well, they whine more there. The writing? B-Movie straight-to-VOD level. Fine, what about the "look"? Nope, a cheap desert planet filled with uninspired designs. How about the cinematography? Alright, I never expected it to win any awards, but we went from literal YouTube fanfilm level of E1 to "barely passable budget syfy tv show" in E2. Well, what about the action? Is it at least interesting? No, not particularly. There's nothing exciting to it. It's basic. It's all, at best, basic.
With every big IP, I care only about the "core". I know there are people who like the underdogs, the auxiliary characters, all of that. But to me, it never made sense to get invested in a setting of Space Sorcerer Knights, and care about some schmuck piloting an X-Wing. I never understood that mindset, I never will. If I want space combat, I'll try an IP specifically about space combat. With that said, I was never going to be enthusiastic about this show, the same way I wasn't about the Mandalorian. I keep up with them because it's easy (at most 1hr/week) and because I want to keep tabs on the Jedi/Sith business. The difference is, even with my general indifference towards the main story, I still enjoyed the Mandalorian. It knew what it was and strived to be to get better and better. And it was enjoyable. It really was. Some missteps here and there, some faults, but a fun journey with some heart. But this... what is this? I'll tell you what it is; cheap filler to kill time and sell toys to clueless kids and addicted adults stuck in arrested development to the point where they'll gobble up anything with [BRAND NAME] instead of critiquing each product on its own merits.
Do you know waht the biggest problem is? With all of these spinoffs, it's always the same. It's never about telling a new story and following the established rules. Because that's what people want at the end of the day. Something that meets their expectations and maybe goes a bit further, surprises them a bit. You make a show about a Bounty Hunter from a Space Fantasy property, people expect that. But no, you're smart, you subvert expectations; it's time for a soul searching journey that contradicts established lore and fan perception built over decades, simply to ape on another piece of work. Because that's how all of these things work. They take a shoddy skeleton of a pitch, model it after a pre-existing movie/show/book/story, remove everything that made that a classic, take away everything that made the base pop culture property fun and entertaining, and you're ready to market it as something "different". And oh boy, anyone who disagrees is just a moronic nerd who cannot into deconstructrion and "culture".
Let's say I'm a newcomer. I don't give two ***** about Boba Fett. I've never read his books or played any games. All of you lot I see as a bunch of piss-guzzling, smelly virgin ******* incel pigs [insert every other modern insult for the group of people that kept these things in business for decades] and I don't care about what Boba Fett was supposed to be in your thick heads. Let's say I'm excited to watch Godfather: Space Edition. What am I getting? Jack. I'm getting nothing. Because the writing isn't good enough. The acting isn't good enough. The cinematography isn't good enough. There's no mood to suck me in. I don't see Boba's conflicts, fears and worries about his life anywhere. There's no subtle hint of grimace, no throwaway line that drives home the message. There's nothing showing me all these things bar a bare collection of vignettes that are supposed to make me infer all these. There's no art in it. No passion. I "get" these things. I "get" what they want me to. But they're not making me feel it. They're not making me believe it. And so they have failed. That's it.
You know what it always comes down to? The fact that everything bar the core exists for worldbuilding; filler. And if it's a hit it gets diluted to the point where it turns into a copy of an already existing work, or is a copy of the core, but in a different flavour. Take every successful cape and count their spinoffs. Same stories, more or less. Same settings, more or less. Same enemies, more or less. What changes is the costume, maybe the superficial attitude of the MC. But the rest is the same. And that's alright as long as you're delivering the pop culture equivalent of "comfort food". But no, sometimes they try to be witty and "original" and we get these things.
Personally I don't, will not, accept the "it's a kid's show" arguments. I'm not giving it a pass. Do you want to know what else is a kid's show? Doctor Who. It was created for 8 YOs and made for the whole family. It's often had the worst effects around and it's a profoundly silly show. And yet it has some really poignant lines, it tackles themes with genuine maturity, even if it can be one-sided and blinded, and never feels patronising. The Doctor talks about love and loss and sorrow, and he loses and he kills and commits genocides and everything and anything you can imagine. And everyone tries their best, there's genuine pathos and fun shared by the actors and actresses. Genuine emotion, from the slapstick to the heavy bits, not "witty" one-liners delivered by emotionless or overacting caricatures, nor stock lines said in deadpan voices. Doctor Who can be downright stupid, but it's earnest, and that's the difference. This, like a lot of the Disney era SW products, is nothing more than pure merchandising. There's no merit to it. It's empty. Soulless. Ugly. Clone Wars had some good bits, even if it was a stock cartoon and not nearly as "deep" as people pretend. Even Rebels had a few shining moments. Bad Batch was subpar but consistent in its quality. This, truth be told, could be called the same; a subpar live-action cartoon. But that's insulting, and that's the problem. It's not sold to me as an average cartoon, it's sold to me as a show about a man going through a transformation, and that's why I'm not getting the expected simple but effective concept of "badass antihero bounty hunter". The fact that it stumbles so is proof of how stupid they consider their consumer base, or how high an opinion they have of themselves.
You don't need to go through a thesaurus to have good writing. You don't need to be Daniel-Day Lewis to have good acting. You just need to care, even a tiny bit, to know what you're making, and to try and create something entertaining in this pop culture world you're inhabiting. With every episode the more I feel disgusted with this whole ordeal. Oh, I'll keep watching. Because I'm not all right in the head and I need to keep tabs on all of it in case some Sith or Jedi shows up with a lightsaber and then I replay the scene 10 times going 'woosh'. I know what I am. But I will not accept this ridicule. At least not without posting a rant on a dolly forum.
If anything, I'm sort of glad this is so bad. It drives home just how pointless all this is. A neverending stream of nonsensical nothingness hinging on a few quality bits that hold the entire thing together. I'm dropping figures from my lists left and right. I got my Thanos today. I spent ~500€ on it. Half a grand. I didn't particularly feel anything. And I love Thanos. I still have original copies of the Infinity Gauntlet/War minis. But I'll be damned if I'll be going around spending that for C-List background characters. It's all so garish when you look at it from up close. What do they represent? Most of them nothing but a fad. So no, not anymore. Not for me. It's either in my top, or away it goes. It's either key to the display I've set in stone for a decade now, or away it goes.
I'm not expecting a revelation of the soul. I'm not demanding my life be altered by witnessing Boba Fett's adventures. All I want is a little bit of heart and earnestness. Why has everybody forgotten that? We're all so buried under irony and smarmy quipping that nothing is genuine. I don't care what the genre or the character or anything else is, just add some proper passion into it. Make it feel real. Make me believe it. Don't hide behind your IP or your self-aware bull; just be honest. Is that really such an awful lot to want?
If you disagree, drop an angry face reaction. I'll be honest, I'm too tired to argue over a show staring a fat stocky guy wandering around a space desert, dressed in plastic armour, escorted by two guys in cheap green pig costumes, and wanting to be judged as "Godfather In Space". I just won't do it. Call me a coward, but I just won't do it. If you do agree, I'll respond, because trashing things is enjoyable.
Oh read it, you will love it.I'll be honest - I only read the first sentence of each paragraph. A tdlr summary would be greatly appreciated
He got very angry, VERY angry. Says alot.
