The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[Otomofan]

Homeboy is totally a Cobra Night Creeper though.....

 

[Mondragon]

Homeboy is totally a Cobra Night Creeper though.....

Well Rodriguez is known for story-boarding and animatic pre-staging with his kids and action figures, so maybe the Joe Night Creepers what he had on hand, made it onto the film.

 

[jye4ever]

How about we just celebrate the miracle of a successful updated Fett costume that we instantly said we had to own.

He could’ve just as easily looked like Pablo Hidalgo dressed like Ultraman.

 

[Khev]

How about we just celebrate the miracle of a successful updated Fett costume that we instantly said we had to own.

He could’ve just as easily looked like Pablo Hidalgo dressed like Ultraman.

I'll always have my ideal preference for the perfect Star Wars whatever, whether it be a prequel story, sequel story, my personal wishlist for things they could update in the OT, you name it, BUT even "slightly good Star Wars" (or hell outright "bad" SW) is still more enjoyable than most other "masterpieces." I'll *still* take AOTC over Star Trek II for instance. Hell I'll take AOTC over the freaking Godfather II, lol.

So that's why new SW stories that have any level of awesome in them still make my inner child giddy as all heck. And based on Mando 2 and the clips we've already seen BOBF looks like it's going to deliver. Sure ESB Fett was perfect and probably nothing going forward will ever match that. But as we've discussed many times ROTJ instantly left us wanting something, anything better than the undignified send-off he was given in the OT and I'll absolutely take this less than ideal but still awesome continuation. All it needs to be is as good or better than ROTJ and every indication thus far is that it will be the latter.

They just posted a new TV spot, I can't freaking wait! I love that each and every clip appears to have footage from the same single episode so it looks like they might have any number of surprises in store for the remainder of the season.

 

[Stront]

I'll always have my ideal preference for the perfect Star Wars whatever, whether it be a prequel story, sequel story, my personal wishlist for things they could update in the OT, you name it, BUT even "slightly good Star Wars" (or hell outright "bad" SW) is still more enjoyable than most other "masterpieces." I'll *still* take AOTC over Star Trek II for instance. Hell I'll take AOTC over the freaking Godfather II, lol.

So that's why new SW stories that have any level of awesome in them still make my inner child giddy as all heck. And based on Mando 2 and the clips we've already seen BOBF looks like it's going to deliver. Sure ESB Fett was perfect and probably nothing going forward will ever match that. But as we've discussed many times ROTJ instantly left us wanting something, anything better than the undignified send-off he was given in the OT and I'll absolutely take this less than ideal but still awesome continuation. All it needs to be is as good or better than ROTJ and every indication thus far is that it will be the latter.

They just posted a new TV spot, I can't freaking wait! I love that each and every clip appears to have footage from the same single episode so it looks like they might have any number of surprises in store for the remainder of the season.

Awesome post, and how I feel about a lot of this stuff. I am very forgiving as I approach anything like this with the mindset of "would kid me have liked it?" and the answer is usually more often than not yes.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I like fatso fett gives him a mean edge

Now Boba Fett is the tubby kid that got picked on in grade school who gets fed up in junior high, develops a mean streak, and starts beating kids up.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Thick Fett is a HELL of a lot better than gorpy, lanky Cobb Vanth and his red pantaloon undies from the 1870s (complete with trap door, if you know what I mean.)


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[Khev]

Awesome post, and how I feel about a lot of this stuff. I am very forgiving as I approach anything like this with the mindset of "would kid me have liked it?" and the answer is usually more often than not yes.

Abso-freaking-lutely!

And a big part of me enjoying SW "as I would have as a kid" is doing my best to just take the movies or shows at face value and not obsessing over some perceived external context that in no way overrules what's on screen. Because I think it's pretty amazing how many people actively search for things not in the films just so that they can find a reason to hate them.

There are any number of things to criticize in the OT, PT, and ST but LFL Story Group twitter feeds and T-shirts worn by executive producers are NOT the ****ing movies. George Lucas and Mark Hamill whining publicly about how they wanted the story to go also are not the movies and is just more external bullcrap.

I don't believe for one second that the ST would be so despised by some if SW had never been sold to Disney and George himself released the exact same films. No "Force is Female" t-shirts, no Hamill bitching and moaning on Twitter and in interviews, no "they had no plan," nothing. Just George pulling out decades old handwritten story treatments that matched exactly what we got on screen. I can easily imagine him saying "Yep like Gary Kurtz said originally the 'other' was going to be this new Force sensitive girl, not Leia, and I finally got to tell her story with the ST and complete the Saga." I think then that these exact same movies would be celebrated for course correcting the failures of the PT and giving us more awesome SW with Legacy and new heroes alike.

Sure people would have various gripes but even with Han, Luke, and Leia not appearing in the same scene together I 100% believe that people would for the most part be silent if that was what he had always envisioned for the ST. Hell we've already got clips from 1983 of Mark Hamill on the Today show saying that George was gonna have him be old in the ST and "passing down his lightsaber to the new generation like Excalibur" and then Carrie Fisher on Letterman joking about Leia and Han having a son who turns to the Dark Side "with crazy hair." My point is that the current ST could have very easily synced up with all the forecasts given by Kurtz, Hamill, and Fisher so many decades ago.

But...most of the loudest detractors have seemingly willfully chosen to be single-mindedly focused on peripheral bullcrap that absolutely does not need to taint the context of the new stories that are being told.

Revisiting the LOTR proves this even further for me. Just imagine if those beloved masterpieces came out right now, with the same context of the SW ST.

Peter Jackson is photographed wearing a "The Fellowship is Female" t-shirt. JRR Tolkien is somehow (lol) alive and goes on record saying that he gave PJ notes for how he wanted the stories to be adapted that PJ mostly ignored. Fran Walsh argues with fans online and calls them manbabies.

Then picture how people would react to Arwen being given a bigger role or Eowen's iconic "I am no man" moment. Holy crap people would lose their collective minds. "Gandalf the freaking White got his *** kicked by The Witch King and then some new chick who's never accomplished anything comes and destroys him?? What is she, the BESTEST EVAR??? Fire PJ and his woke feminist agenda!!!1!!" And so on with LOTR suddently being divisive, hated by half the fanbase.

And I'm just not having any part in that. If a SW movie or show would be awesome and beloved simply had it been released in a prior decade with the approval of George himself then I'm not going to force myself to hate it just so that I can join the collective outrage. Again I'm not saying that you can't dislike or hate the ST, PT, BOBF or what have you for their own reasons (because there are plenty), I just firmly believe that in most cases there are just as many reasons to like or love them if taken at face value and not compared to "what could have been."

Okay massive rant and tangent over, lol.

 

[Khev]

Now Boba Fett is the tubby kid that got picked on in grade school who gets fed up in junior high, develops a mean streak, and starts beating kids up.

Don't eff with him...

 

[Stront]

Abso-freaking-lutely!

And a big part of me enjoying SW "as I would have as a kid" is doing my best to just take the movies or shows at face value and not obsessing over some perceived external context that in no way overrules what's on screen. Because I think it's pretty amazing how many people actively search for things not in the films just so that they can find a reason to hate them.

There are any number of things to criticize in the OT, PT, and ST but LFL Story Group twitter feeds and T-shirts worn by executive producers are NOT the ****ing movies. George Lucas and Mark Hamill whining publicly about how they wanted the story to go also are not the movies and is just more external bullcrap.

I don't believe for one second that the ST would be so despised by some if SW had never been sold to Disney and George himself released the exact same films. No "Force is Female" t-shirts, no Hamill bitching and moaning on Twitter and in interviews, no "they had no plan," nothing. Just George pulling out decades old handwritten story treatments that matched exactly what we got on screen. I can easily imagine him saying "Yep like Gary Kurtz said originally the 'other' was going to be this new Force sensitive girl, not Leia, and I finally got to tell her story with the ST and complete the Saga." I think then that these exact same movies would be celebrated for course correcting the failures of the PT and giving us more awesome SW with Legacy and new heroes alike.

Sure people would have various gripes but even with Han, Luke, and Leia not appearing in the same scene together I 100% believe that people would for the most part be silent if that was what he had always envisioned for the ST. Hell we've already got clips from 1983 of Mark Hamill on the Today show saying that George was gonna have him be old in the ST and "passing down his lightsaber to the new generation like Excalibur" and then Carrie Fisher on Letterman joking about Leia and Han having a son who turns to the Dark Side "with crazy hair." My point is that the current ST could have very easily synced up with all the forecasts given by Kurtz, Hamill, and Fisher so many decades ago.

But...most of the loudest detractors have seemingly willfully chosen to be single-mindedly focused on peripheral bullcrap that absolutely does not need to taint the context of the new stories that are being told.

Revisiting the LOTR proves this even further for me. Just imagine if those beloved masterpieces came out right now, with the same context of the SW ST.

Peter Jackson is photographed wearing a "The Fellowship is Female" t-shirt. JRR Tolkien is somehow (lol) alive and goes on record saying that he gave PJ notes for how he wanted the stories to be adapted that PJ mostly ignored. Fran Walsh argues with fans online and calls them manbabies.

Then picture how people would react to Arwen being given a bigger role or Eowen's iconic "I am no man" moment. Holy crap people would lose their collective minds. "Gandalf the freaking White got his *** kicked by The Witch King and then some new chick who's never accomplished anything comes and destroys him?? What is she, the BESTEST EVAR??? Fire PJ and his woke feminist agenda!!!1!!" And so on with LOTR suddently being divisive, hated by half the fanbase.

And I'm just not having any part in that. If a SW movie or show would be awesome and beloved simply had it been released in a prior decade with the approval of George himself then I'm not going to force myself to hate it just so that I can join the collective outrage. Again I'm not saying that you can't dislike or hate the ST, PT, BOBF or what have you for their own reasons (because there are plenty), I just firmly believe that in most cases there are just as many reasons to like or love them if taken at face value and not compared to "what could have been."

Okay massive rant and tangent over, lol.

Exactly, I try to keep that sentiment in mind with a LOT of things these days - I've definitely fallen victim to the whole outrage thing, but I try and think if I'd be upset if I wasn't told I should be; Hell, most of my friends downright hate "capeshit" as they call it and act as if liking MCU movies makes you a mouthbreather. It's easy to dogpile on things, but I like the point of view that even if the new stuff isn't good (like the Cowboy Bebop live action LOL), the originals still exist and aren't diminished at all.

 

[Khev]

Exactly, I try to keep that sentiment in mind with a LOT of things these days - I've definitely fallen victim to the whole outrage thing, but I try and think if I'd be upset if I wasn't told I should be. It's easy to dogpile on things, but I like the point of view that even if the new stuff isn't good (like the Cowboy Bebop live action LOL), the originals still exist and aren't diminished at all.

Yep and I know I've been guilty of it too. I used to love ROTJ so much more until I learned what was really supposed to come after ESB. And that kind of sucks. I mean obviously I was capable of loving it without that knowledge so why do I have to fixate on it? I also remember watching ANH:SE for the first time on opening day and being blown away that Boba Fett was in Docking Bay 94. I mean it really blew my mind and had me looking at ANH in a whole new light, thinking crazy things like "oh so THAT'S why Fett was originally on a 1979 SW card" and how cool it was to get this lost archival footage of Fett back into the movie. Then I soon learned that that Fett was an ILM employee who just filmed that one scene to be tacked into the movie decades after the fact and suddenly my insufferable SW snobbery kicked in and I scoffed at the whole thing. "So they made him a lame lackey of Jabba, oh looks he's mugging for the camera after the fact," bla freaking bla. When I literally had loved his inclusion just minutes before!

And then of course don't get me started on how the PT or the Clone Wars were "supposed to be." I'm not quite there yet with some of that stuff but I've come to the determination that it's just less fun to willfully choose to dwell on and obsess over stuff that doesn't *need* to ruin any of the fun when I know damn well that if SW had kept coming out every three years with TPM or TFA hitting in 1986 that all the new stuff (PT/ST, etc.) would be a part of my collective love of SW going back to the beginning.

The fact that most of us still love ROTJ and turn a blind eye to its ridiculousness tells me that everyone would have done exactly the same had the PT or ST come out at that time as well. Hell the newfound love for the PT by 90's kids that are now grown up just proves it even further to me.

 

[Stront]

Yep and I know I've been guilty of it too. I used to love ROTJ so much more until I learned what was really supposed to come after ESB. And that kind of sucks. I mean obviously I was capable of loving it without that knowledge so why do I have to fixate on it? I also remember watching ANH:SE for the first time on opening day and being blown away that Boba Fett was in Docking Bay 94. I mean it really blew my mind and had me looking at ANH in a whole new light, thinking crazy things like "oh so THAT'S why Fett was originally on a 1979 SW card" and how cool it was to get this lost archival footage of Fett back into the movie. Then I soon learned that that Fett was an ILM employee who just filmed that one scene to be tacked into the movie decades after the fact and suddenly my insufferable SW snobbery kicked in and I scoffed at the whole thing. "So they made him a lame lackey of Jabba, oh looks he's mugging for the camera after the fact," bla freaking bla. When I literally had loved his inclusion just minutes before!

And then of course don't get me started on how the PT or the Clone Wars were "supposed to be." I'm not quite there yet with some of that stuff but I've come to the determination that it's just less fun to willfully choose to dwell on and obsess over stuff that doesn't *need* to ruin any of the fun when I know damn well that if SW had kept coming out every three years with TPM or TFA hitting in 1986 that all the new stuff (PT/ST, etc.) would be a part of my collective love of SW going back to the beginning.

The fact that most of us still love ROTJ and turn a blind eye to its ridiculousness tells me that everyone would have done exactly the same had the PT or ST come out at that time as well. Hell the newfound love for the PT by 90's kids that are now grown up just proves it even further to me.

That's a great example because I didn't know ROTJ was "hated" until I started reading this forum LOL. I just started rewatching the OT:SE movies, which I LOVED as a kid (not really knowing better), but couldn't help but think as I was watching it that I wasn't supposed to like certain scenes because of the cgi or changes or whatever. The PT is another good example for me personally; it came out right as I was moving into high school and was over toys and stuff like that, and ended up seeing AOTC and ROTS on dates and thinking they were horrible, but now I find them enjoyable (maybe not the whole, but certainly the parts).

 

[darth dennis]

Yep and I know I've been guilty of it too. I used to love ROTJ so much more until I learned what was really supposed to come after ESB. And that kind of sucks. I mean obviously I was capable of loving it without that knowledge so why do I have to fixate on it? I also remember watching ANH:SE for the first time on opening day and being blown away that Boba Fett was in Docking Bay 94. I mean it really blew my mind and had me looking at ANH in a whole new light, thinking crazy things like "oh so THAT'S why Fett was originally on a 1979 SW card" and how cool it was to get this lost archival footage of Fett back into the movie. Then I soon learned that that Fett was an ILM employee who just filmed that one scene to be tacked into the movie decades after the fact and suddenly my insufferable SW snobbery kicked in and I scoffed at the whole thing. "So they made him a lame lackey of Jabba, oh looks he's mugging for the camera after the fact," bla freaking bla. When I literally had loved his inclusion just minutes before!

And then of course don't get me started on how the PT or the Clone Wars were "supposed to be." I'm not quite there yet with some of that stuff but I've come to the determination that it's just less fun to willfully choose to dwell on and obsess over stuff that doesn't *need* to ruin any of the fun when I know damn well that if SW had kept coming out every three years with TPM or TFA hitting in 1986 that all the new stuff (PT/ST, etc.) would be a part of my collective love of SW going back to the beginning.

The fact that most of us still love ROTJ and turn a blind eye to its ridiculousness tells me that everyone would have done exactly the same had the PT or ST come out at that time as well. Hell the newfound love for the PT by 90's kids that are now grown up just proves it even further to me.

I'm not sure how I don't know this but what was really supposed to come after ESB?

 

[Khev]

I'm not sure how I don't know this but what was really supposed to come after ESB?

When ESB was written the original idea was that the rest of the story would have Darth Vader dying in Episode VI but not the Emperor. Luke would go off into the sunset in search of his sister while Leia was coronated as queen.

"The one story thread that got totally tossed out the window, which was really pretty important I think, was the one of Vader trying to convince Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor. That together they had enough power that they could do that, and it wasn’t him saying I want to take over the world and be the evil leader, it was that transition. It was Vader saying, “I’m looking again at what I’ve done and where my life has gone and who I’ve served and, very much in the Samurai tradition, and saying if I can join forces with my son, who is just as strong as I am, that maybe we can make some amends.” So there was all of that going on in Jedi as well, that was supposed to go on. So the story was quite a bit more poignant and the ending was the coronation of Leia as the queen of what was left of her people, to take over the royal symbol. That meant she was then isolated from all of the rest and Luke went off then by himself. It was basically a kind of bittersweet ending. She’s not his sister that dropped in to wrap up everything neatly. His sister was someone else way over on the other side of the galaxy and she wasn’t going to show up until the next episode." Original Star Wars Producer Gary Kurtz Speaks | Film Threat

Then Episodes 7-9 would focus on Luke finding his sister and joining forces with her to face and destroy the Emperor together in Episode 9.

And ever since Gary Kurtz spilled the beans on that in 1999 I've been perpetually frustrated with what we got in ROTJ while subsequently loving how much of those original themes found their way into the ST that we got. We all know how George famously got burned out and just decided to resolve and tie up every loose end in ROTJ. But that doesn't change the fact that the "other" was indeed supposed to be a new girl, not Leia, and introduced in Episode 7. Then she and her brother would destroy Palpatine once and for all in Episode 9. And now thanks to the ST I can pretend that the other is Rey and that the twins facing Palpatine are the Dyad. Did the story take a windy *** road to finally get there? Hell yeah but it made it nonetheless and I'm blown away that I actually got to see some version of it on the big screen.

 

[Khev]

That's a great example because I didn't know ROTJ was "hated" until I started reading this forum LOL. I just started rewatching the OT:SE movies, which I LOVED as a kid (not really knowing better), but couldn't help but think as I was watching it that I wasn't supposed to like certain scenes because of the cgi or changes or whatever. The PT is another good example for me personally; it came out right as I was moving into high school and was over toys and stuff like that, and ended up seeing AOTC and ROTS on dates and thinking they were horrible, but now I find them enjoyable (maybe not the whole, but certainly the parts).

Yeah I mean for better or for worse ROTJ really does open the door to the PT and ST alike. If anyone wants to be a true hoity toity super discriminating film snob about SW then you have to pretty much take ANH and ESB in their original forms and discard the rest. But the moment you include ROTJ you totally disqualify yourself from being in a position of "I'm a purist who only loves the good stuff." And yes I include myself as a ROTJ fanboy despite being fully aware of how it was such a colossal step down from the two films that preceded it.

Because again one third to one half the movie is genuinely awesome and so that's what I tend to focus on which has been a requirement for enjoying new SW ever since, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Hell I'll take AOTC over the freaking Godfather II, lol.

 

[The Buffinator]

How about we just celebrate the miracle of a successful updated Fett costume that we instantly said we had to own.

He could’ve just as easily looked like Pablo Hidalgo dressed like Ultraman.

If only....

 

[ZE_501]

I mean...it explains a lot.

 

[Stront]

Yeah I mean for better or for worse ROTJ really does open the door to the PT and ST alike. If anyone wants to be a true hoity toity super discriminating film snob about SW then you have to pretty much take ANH and SW in their original forms and discard the rest. But the moment you include ROTJ you totally disqualify yourself from being in a position of "I'm a purist who only loves the good stuff." And yes I include myself as a ROTJ fanboy despite being fully aware of how it was such a colossal step down from the two films that preceded it.

Because again one third to one half the movie is genuinely awesome and so that's what I tend to focus on which has been a requirement for enjoying new SW ever since, lol.

Had no idea about the original plan post-ESB, that sounds pretty damn cool. Love the parallel to the Samurai stuff. ROTJ was actually one that I really leaned towards as a kid because I LOVED Luke in his black outfit and the whole Jabba palace rescue and end duel. I pretty much tuned out of the Endor stuff as a kid, I just really liked Luke heh. BUT I will say that even at that age when I was at the height of my SW fandom, ESB and Bespin Luke was top class stuff; when that second version of Bespin Luke came out in the PoTF line I went ape **** LOL.

Gotta say, this board, plus Mando, has really reignited my love for SW.

 

[darth dennis]

When ESB was written the original idea was that the rest of the story would have Darth Vader dying in Episode VI but not the Emperor. Luke would go off into the sunset in search of his sister while Leia was coronated as queen.

"The one story thread that got totally tossed out the window, which was really pretty important I think, was the one of Vader trying to convince Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor. That together they had enough power that they could do that, and it wasn’t him saying I want to take over the world and be the evil leader, it was that transition. It was Vader saying, “I’m looking again at what I’ve done and where my life has gone and who I’ve served and, very much in the Samurai tradition, and saying if I can join forces with my son, who is just as strong as I am, that maybe we can make some amends.” So there was all of that going on in Jedi as well, that was supposed to go on. So the story was quite a bit more poignant and the ending was the coronation of Leia as the queen of what was left of her people, to take over the royal symbol. That meant she was then isolated from all of the rest and Luke went off then by himself. It was basically a kind of bittersweet ending. She’s not his sister that dropped in to wrap up everything neatly. His sister was someone else way over on the other side of the galaxy and she wasn’t going to show up until the next episode." Original Star Wars Producer Gary Kurtz Speaks | Film Threat

Then Episodes 7-9 would focus on Luke finding his sister and joining forces with her to face and destroy the Emperor together in Episode 9.

And ever since Gary Kurtz spilled the beans on that in 1999 I've been perpetually frustrated with what we got in ROTJ while subsequently loving how much of those original themes found their way into the ST that we got. We all know how George famously got burned out and just decided to resolve and tie up every loose end in ROTJ. But that doesn't change the fact that the "other" was indeed supposed to be a new girl, not Leia, and introduced in Episode 7. Then she and her brother would destroy Palpatine once and for all in Episode 9. And now thanks to the ST I can pretend that the other is Rey and that the twins facing Palpatine are the Dyad. Did the story take a windy *** road to finally get there? Hell yeah but it made it nonetheless and I'm blown away that I actually got to see some version of it on the big screen.

Well, now I'm upset! That sounds pretty cool! Tell me though, did Boba Fett still die an embarrassing death?