The current state of DC 1/6 collectibles . . . DEAD

[sj2106]

If it's so hard to get the Joker license why are all the big statue companies making Joker stuff?

 

[hbhf]

If it's so hard to get the Joker license why are all the big statue companies making Joker stuff?

If it's so easy why is literally nobody else making anything, and why is it only just now coming over a full year after the movie?

Ignore HT for sec. You seriously don't think another toy company would kill to make figures of a billion dollar hit movie starring an A-list character? Hell, Hot Toys made like three Joker figures for that **** Suicide Squad movie.

 

[Saintv1]

If it's so easy why is literally nobody else making anything, and why is it only just now coming over a full year after the movie?

You seriously don't think a company would kill to make figures of a billion dollar hit movie starring an A-list character? Hell, Hot Toys made like three Joker figures for that **** Suicide Squad movie.

Yup. Hot Toys doesn't get to just make whatever they want, and companies can have a lot of different reasons for turning down products. Remember when Marvel basically shut down any and all X-Men and Fantadtic Four merch?

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[Auel]

I know. My point is that it's not just Hot Toys. Virtually nobody did any merchandise for The Joker, not S.H. Figurarts, not McFarlane, not DC Direct, not MAFEX or even Funko, which leads me to conclude it's not an "interest" thing but a licensing or red tape one.

Where have you been?

 

[Gipetto0812]

If it's so hard to get the Joker license why are all the big statue companies making Joker stuff?

It could be that the license is only for Statues since the movie is more than just a comicbook movie now. The licensor may feel that statues represent the quality and gravitas of the film where a ?toy? won?t. The license might not be for EVERY type of collectible. Toys can be left out of the agreement. Even JP could have said he did not want any toys to be made with his likeness if he holds the rights. Johnny Depp holds the rights to his likeness when it is in use and approves his collectibles. Sideshow mentioned that when they made the second Jack Sparrow Statue. It is not always across the board. When you acquire a license, that does not mean you acquire every single format and scale or even character. There is a lot that goes into licensing.

 

[hbhf]

Where have you been?

Right here. As I just said, there are literally no figures made for the movie, not even a Funko Pop (and they literally make EVERYTHING). The only merchandise has been a few statues released a year later.

It could be that the license is only for Statues since the movie is more than just a comicbook movie now. The licensor may feel that statues represent the quality and gravitas of the film where a ?toy? won?t. The license might not be for EVERY type of collectible. Toys can be left out of the agreement. Even JP could have said he did not want any toys to be made with his likeness if he holds the rights. Johnny Depp holds the rights to his likeness when it is in use and approves his collectibles. Sideshow mentioned that when they made the second Jack Sparrow Statue. It is not always across the board. When you acquire a license, that does not mean you acquire every single format and scale or even character. There is a lot that goes into licensing.

Bingo. It's entirely possible Phoenix didn't approve his likeness to be used for toys. Or someone up top didn't want to extend the license to stuff like figures.

 

[ThomastheTank57]

There are so many 1/6th 3rd party Joker figures out now

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I think I?ve posted the same message re worded here before (can?t remember, don?t hate me) but Hot Toys have the entire Arkham video game series to produce figures from. They don?t always have to do movies. But nope, they re hash storm troopers in slightly different color. mandalorian, Bobo fet, storm trooper #10000, they all look the same. Then there?s marvel, with iron man this, spider man that, venom crap instead of an actual venom, Hot Toys is being pegged by Disney. Imagine if they tapped into the Arkham games, they have 20 plus figures right there, with multiple looks for each character. Just look at the Prime 1 Arkham line. Hot Toys could do that line if they wanted, again doesn?t always have to be movies. They already have 5 out with Harley Quinn and Batman beyond on pre order.

TL;DR: give up, if you want DC Collectables, look for another place that?s not 1/6 scale figures. Statues have a ton of variety in the DC world. You ain?t getting any here, and 3rd party 1/6 scale suck 99% of the time.


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[GaryPool]

I think I?ve posted the same message re worded here before (can?t remember, don?t hate me) but Hot Toys have the entire Arkham video game series to produce figures from. They don?t always have to do movies. But nope, they re hash storm troopers in slightly different color. mandalorian, Bobo fet, storm trooper #10000, they all look the same. Then there?s marvel, with iron man this, spider man that, venom crap instead of an actual venom, Hot Toys is being pegged by Disney. Imagine if they tapped into the Arkham games, they have 20 plus figures right there, with multiple looks for each character. Just look at the Prime 1 Arkham line. Hot Toys could do that line if they wanted, again doesn?t always have to be movies. They already have 5 out with Harley Quinn and Batman beyond on pre order.

TL;DR: give up, if you want DC Collectables, look for another place that?s not 1/6 scale figures. Statues have a ton of variety in the DC world. You ain?t getting any here, and 3rd party 1/6 scale suck 99% of the time.


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You're not really looking at it objectively though, are you? Hot Toys wouldn't even make Arkham figures in the same quantity even remotely comparable to how many they make for Spiderman and Stormtroopers that sell out. Not to mention the costs of creating head sculpts, new body types, unique clothing and accessories. It's much easier and more cost effective to be able to produce printed suits on the same true-type body without needing a face sculpt and reusing some parts.

Yes, Hot Toys does this really well so it works for them. Truth of the matter is it's much easier to produce stuff like troopers and Spiderman when they can outsource tailoring to different people and that's the bulk of the production work. Then on top of that they all sell. We just need to face it, a business is a business is a business, they're not here to please everyone's single wishes, they want money whilst giving high quality products. It's much easier in life to just accept what is made and if you like it to purchase it then to begrudge a company for not making what you specifically like just because you would buy it and like their product. It's also much better on your wallet to just accept what is out there instead of looking continuously to purchase everything you like.

But that's just me. I do this for fun, I really would like a Hot Toys Joker and a representation of some other film characters, but I'm not going to get bitter about it. Hot Toys doesn't owe me anything as a customer, they made some things that I've liked, I've agreed to pay them for it, transaction ends there. They now don't owe me an undying gratitude because I've supported them.

 

[a-dev]

Overall you're correct. They don't owe us a continual supply of the particular things we want especially if, in the case of the stuff I'd be looking for, they're more niche now than they used to be. I think it's fair however to be annoyed with them if they did announce particular things that got you excited, they then never bothered to make those things, provided no word of explanation and just hoped you'd forget. They have a history of this sort of behaviour which I'm not aware of with other companies I've followed and it has always left a bad taste in the mouth. Rightly or wrongly I do hold this against them when I see some of the crap they put out instead.

 

[Saintv1]

You're not really looking at it objectively though, are you? Hot Toys wouldn't even make Arkham figures in the same quantity even remotely comparable to how many they make for Spiderman and Stormtroopers that sell out. Not to mention the costs of creating head sculpts, new body types, unique clothing and accessories. It's much easier and more cost effective to be able to produce printed suits on the same true-type body without needing a face sculpt and reusing some parts.

Yes, Hot Toys does this really well so it works for them. Truth of the matter is it's much easier to produce stuff like troopers and Spiderman when they can outsource tailoring to different people and that's the bulk of the production work. Then on top of that they all sell. We just need to face it, a business is a business is a business, they're not here to please everyone's single wishes, they want money whilst giving high quality products. It's much easier in life to just accept what is made and if you like it to purchase it then to begrudge a company for not making what you specifically like just because you would buy it and like their product. It's also much better on your wallet to just accept what is out there instead of looking continuously to purchase everything you like.

But that's just me. I do this for fun, I really would like a Hot Toys Joker and a representation of some other film characters, but I'm not going to get bitter about it. Hot Toys doesn't owe me anything as a customer, they made some things that I've liked, I've agreed to pay them for it, transaction ends there. They now don't owe me an undying gratitude because I've supported them.

Yep, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I feel like most people have no exposure to how a business that produces products (physical or otherwise) actually functions, and don't understand how decisions like this get made, or the limitations that exist.

Also, you're right about the attitude of entitlement. You see the same thing whenever SSC drops reward codes and people miss put of them. Everyone is calling the company garbage because they've made the codes harder to get, but... why is the company expected to just gift you free money in the first place? The codes have been an amazing bonus we've enjoyed for several years, but they're not something anyone is owed. You buy product from them and they provide it. The only thing you're entitled to is the product you paid for and the service and support associated with it.

Now, if someone is frustrated that HT controls DC licenses but doesn't produce any product, I understand and share that frustration, but that's as much DC's fault as it is HT's... and, indeed, there is a non-zero impact from the repeated failure of DC multimedia projects to reach the same audience and success as Marvel.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

You're not really looking at it objectively though, are you? Hot Toys wouldn't even make Arkham figures in the same quantity even remotely comparable to how many they make for Spiderman and Stormtroopers that sell out. Not to mention the costs of creating head sculpts, new body types, unique clothing and accessories. It's much easier and more cost effective to be able to produce printed suits on the same true-type body without needing a face sculpt and reusing some parts.

Yes, Hot Toys does this really well so it works for them. Truth of the matter is it's much easier to produce stuff like troopers and Spiderman when they can outsource tailoring to different people and that's the bulk of the production work. Then on top of that they all sell. We just need to face it, a business is a business is a business, they're not here to please everyone's single wishes, they want money whilst giving high quality products. It's much easier in life to just accept what is made and if you like it to purchase it then to begrudge a company for not making what you specifically like just because you would buy it and like their product. It's also much better on your wallet to just accept what is out there instead of looking continuously to purchase everything you like.

But that's just me. I do this for fun, I really would like a Hot Toys Joker and a representation of some other film characters, but I'm not going to get bitter about it. Hot Toys doesn't owe me anything as a customer, they made some things that I've liked, I've agreed to pay them for it, transaction ends there. They now don't owe me an undying gratitude because I've supported them.

I completely agree with you. That why after Endgame Captain America, Thor and Iron Man I?m done with hot toys, and 1/6 figures in general. I?ve moved on to being a DC fanboy, and there are 0 DC 1/6 figures nowadays that look good. Hot toys can do what they need to to make money, but the garbage they do now isn?t for me, and I have no problem voicing it.

I mean, if they branch out and did more figures outside of superhero?s, I?d probably pick them up. A new alien or terminator or predator from hot toys I?ll definitely be interested in, but for now, I?m almost out.

 

[ironwez20]

I honestly don?t know why people get so mad at them. They?ve been doing this since 09. Once avengers blew up it was over and they focused on Disney products. Then they got star wars and it got worse. I see people in threads all the time begging for JAWS, The boys, video game characters, obscure 80s films and so on. It?s not gonna happen . Occasionally you?ll get a figure that?s a surprise and it?s great but as for hot toys touching things that aren?t heavily dipped in Disney . It?s over.

Now you may get more alien now that Disney owns that but that?s a huge if.

My advice is either wait for other companies to do it or buy smaller scale . Cause eventually what you want will be made but it won?t be made by HT

 

[haytil]

They have not been "doing this since 09" man.

Come on. Get your timeline straight.

Hot Toys didn't become the major force it was until the the second wave of the "Dark Knight" MMS figures - which was a very diverse, non-Disney line - beginning with Bank Robber Joker. That began in 09.

 

[ironwez20]

They have not been "doing this since 09" man.

Come on. Get your timeline straight.

Hot Toys didn't become the major force it was until the the second wave of the "Dark Knight" MMS figures - which was a very diverse, non-Disney line - beginning with Bank Robber Joker. That began in 09.

Nah son. In 09 they started pumping out lots of iron man and jokers and batman is hardly diverse. They still do that. Once avengers hit in 2012 it was over

 

[a-dev]

I would say the success of The Avengers in 2012 was more precisely the beginning of what they are now. Prior to that they were still tackling a broad range of licenses and making announcements even though the MCU had begun in 2008. But after Avengers was a monster success in 2012, well, was it coincidence that a bunch of announcements they had made not long before - such as their big multi-film 1/6 and 1/4 Predator announcement, Prometheus, X-Men First Class, the 1/4 scale Police Station Assault T-800, Batman Returns Catwoman and Penguin plus possible 1/4 scale releases - all mostly came to nothing?

Then of course immediately came Iron Man III with it's 50 something new suits

 

[ironwez20]

I remember the signs were starting in 09. Cause I was waiting for an avatar figure of neytiri to drop from them but they took forever cause they kept making iron man 2 toys. Then once 2012 hit it was over and then iron man 3. The mouse was to far up there ***. Occasionally they?d make something you?d want but now ...... yea

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Just wanted to say, the last DC Hot Toys figure RELEASED was the black and gold Arkham Knight Batman , according to their Instagram this was February 27. Since then they?ve announced 6 or 7 (May have missed something) DC items, not counting cosbabies. They also released solo movie Aquaman on January 3. Aside from these it?s all marvel and Star Wars. I do collect marvel, but as a DC fan as well, it?s sickening.

Luckily for me, I LOVE whining and complaining, so this is fun for me [emoji23]
It?s a nice stress relief for me.


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[Captain Clown]

First Hot Toys got on the MCU train, now NECA is milking TMNT to death (with the exception of their awesome BTTF figures - I love them). Meanwhile Mezco is sitting in the corner eating glue.

 

[haytil]

Nah son. In 09 they started pumping out lots of iron man and jokers and batman is hardly diverse. They still do that. Once avengers hit in 2012 it was over

I am not your son and your repetition of incorrect statements does not make them any more true. Fortunately, we live in a world of reality and numbers - so rather than uselessly repeating yourself and insisting that you're right without any hard data, we can simply go to those numbers.

I count 45 1/6 scale figures released in 2009 by Hot Toys. These include:

-2 Batman
-2 Jokers
-Two-Face (a Batman-related main character)
-5 Iron Men
-5 Predator figures
-8 Terminator figures
-22 other figures across 13 other movie franchises

Of the five Batman-related figures in 2009, three different main characters are represented. I do not think creating figures of all the main characters of an insanely popular movie (Batman, Joker, Two-Face) is inappropriate, especially when the entire catalogue remains quite diverse. (In fact, I don't think anyone in this thread would mind if Hot Toys produced 200 different Star Wars or Marvel figures in a year, as long as it's not at the expense of DC figures).

Two of those five Batman-related figures (the DX01 Joker an DX02 Batman) were clearly redos of the previous figures (MMS68 and MMS71), which were obviously movie inaccurate (particularly Joker, whose likeness in both costume and face was completely off-base) - and one of those five Batman-related figures was the inaccurate Batman in question (MMS68). DX01 and DX02 were substantial upgrades, and both Bank Robber Joker and DX01 were completely new looks (not mere minor variations), reflecting diversity within the line itself, both in terms of character and appearance.

Continuing with the numbers:

11% of the 2009 Hot Toys catalogue was Batman-related.

11% of the 2009 Hot toys catalogue was Iron Man.

I do not believe a total of 10 figures between two franchises - and only one fifth of the catalogue, a clear minority - constitutes "pumping out" of any kind.

If anything, one could make the argument that Terminator "dominated" the 2009 catalogue, with 18% of the figures - almost as many as Iron Man and Batman combined.

It would be a terrible argument to make, and I wouldn't buy it, but it would be better than the argument you're making.