The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Deckard]

Daniel Day Lewis destroys them both....

Wofford is going to kill somebody.

 

[Platty]

I hate to say it but i'm a bit meh towards this film really, looking back. This time in 2008 I was still buzzing. There's not enough epic batman moments for me. Nothing in this comes remotely close to the interrogation scene in terms of badassness. I don't want my batman weak as hell and old. And I don't really like the rushed story. I like the ending but would have much preferred Bruce still being Batman. The fight scenes are great and there are things I do like but it's nowhere near begins and especially TDK for me.

Or i'm just getting old.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm glad there isn't that TDK buzz. Hindsight, it was pretty annoying.

"You know, I didn't really care for TDK."

"DIE IN A FIRE YOU PIECE OF ****".

Or that's how I remember it.

I like this movie more, because everyone hates it for little tiny nit picky reasons. And that just makes it better to me.

 

[DarthBakura]

I'm glad there isn't that TDK buzz. Hindsight, it was pretty annoying.

"You know, I didn't really care for TDK."

"DIE IN A FIRE YOU PIECE OF ****".

Or that's how I remember it.

I like this movie more, because everyone hates it for little tiny nit picky reasons. And that just makes it better to me.

I wasn't here for that. I was on the Spawn forums, but even there I do remember some of that going around, lol. Not sure how much worse it was 'round these neck of the woods.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh, I read it during the spawn forum. It was here. But mostly SuperheroHype. And pretty much any forum that someone said "TDK has flaws"

OH DEAR GOD, HOW COULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING!!11

 

[intothevoid]

Man, you're throwing that around like it's a fact. I mean, a straight up "No" to his post? I think it's open to interpretation a bit isn't it?

I don't think Bruce wanted to die a martyr at all. Maybe subconsciously in the back of his mind he did but not as serious as Alfred made it out to be. For me, I saw it more as Khev saw it except I think Alfred was being a little selfish as well. He didn't want to see him die or get hurt and would use any excuse to stop Bruce from doing so. The letter, leaving him, telling him he thinks that there's "one end", etc.

Just because Alfred may have lines that support what you think (Bruce wants to die in a Blaze of glory) doesn't make them true.


If that's the case, well, does Gordon have a death wish as well? After all he was willing to go out in front of the camera after Bane takes control even after Blake tells him that he'd be killed on sight by Bane.


Sounds like all the characters want to die. Batman, Gordon, Bane, Talia, etc. etc.

Well given how many times it's made apparent in the film, I DO consider it to be true.

Even if you disregard all of Alfred's lines. What about the prison?
'Why didn't you just kill me'
'You don't fear death, you WELCOME it' - Bane can see it
'When Gotham is Ashes... Then you have my PERMISSION to die' - The word permission is almost always used in the context of allowing someone to do something they WANT to do. Bruce at that point just wants to die. That's it. There's nothing out there for him, as he says in his own words.

The turning point is when he sees Gotham being laid to waste by Bane, and then realizes he's afraid of dying 'while his city burns'.

Voidcat misbehaving by channeling the spirit of Nolan thru him again

If you call being right misbehaving, sure
Biggest film since sound

 

[ironwez20]

Oh, I read it during the spawn forum. It was here. But mostly SuperheroHype. And pretty much any forum that someone said "TDK has flaws"

OH DEAR GOD, HOW COULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING!!11

Shh you'll never find a place with such fanboying and polljocking

 

[DiFabio]

What about the prison?

'Why didn't you just kill me'
'You don't fear death, you WELCOME it' - Bane can see it
'When Gotham is Ashes... Then you have my PERMISSION to die' - The word permission is almost always used in the context of allowing someone to do something they WANT to do. Bruce at that point just wants to die. That's it. There's nothing out there for him, as he says in his own words.

The turning point is when he sees Gotham being laid to waste by Bane, and then realizes he's afraid of dying 'while his city burns'.

I meant before he got ****ed up.

When he's walking around the cave all confident, looking at security footage of big boi at the stock exchange with that "pfft, he's just a mercenary, I'll kick his ass" attitude.

There was no sense of wanting to die a martyr there. When he puts on that Batsuit, you can tell he was trying to get back in the zone even though he was a little rusty. Examples include riding around in the Bat with Catwoman (while the Dark Knight track is playing), going out for the first time in 8 years looking for Bane, the confidence, the whole "these aren't your average brawlers", "neither am I". He's in Batman mode. Hell, he even talks to himself in DAT VOICE.

He didn't want to die a martyr, he wanted to beat down Bane. "Gotham needs me, **** this little guy".


Alfred is melodramatic throughout the entire film (except when he picks up Bruce after his Lambo gets stolen) and you know it. Maybe Bruce wanted death . . . WHEN HIS VERTEBRA IS POPPED OUT OF HIS BACK, but prior to the smack down in the sewer fight, there is no indications of that other than, "mastah weyne, y u want to die?"

 

[intothevoid]

I meant before he got ****ed up.

When he's walking around the cave all confident, looking at security footage of big boi at the stock exchange with that "pfft, he's just a mercenary, I'll kick his ass" attitude.

There was no sense of wanting to die a martyr there. When he puts on that Batsuit, you can tell he was trying to get back in the zone even though he was a little rusty. Examples include riding around in the Bat with Catwoman (while the Dark Knight track is playing), going out for the first time in 8 years looking for Bane, the confidence, the whole "these aren't your average brawlers", "neither am I".

He didn't want to die a martyr, he wanted to beat down Bane.

I think you're misreading what i'm saying a bit.

I don't think he went into the fight with Bane with a 'ok I wanna get killed now' attitude Yes, he wanted to beat down Bane, of course he did. And he was cocky and overconfident, definitely.

What i'm saying is he wanted to just keep going and pushing himself (knowing at the back of his mind that his body is not what it once was) until finally he died. He had mentally accepted that he's just going to die being Batman, there's no other way out for him. No hope of a normal life which he retained in BB and TDK.

 

[DiFabio]

But you specifically said a few posts back that, "Bruce wants to die, as a martyr" and that that's what Alfred thinks.

What better way than to start then getting murdered by some terrorists? Alfred certainly says it enough times. Why bother trying if you want to die?



Oh and dying being Batman is a GREAT GOAL! What else would happen if you dedicate your life to fighting crime or dress up in a Bat suit to pummel the **** out of criminals? Eventually it would catch up to you, that's a no brainer. Better to fight and die for what you believe in then constantly question and abandon what you set out to do.

If Bruce Wayne was really touched by the death of his parents and the crime in Gotham City this whole "move to Italy with Catgirl and live a happy life" would never fly. What's happiness? Serving your young Master and never finding a life (or a wife) outside of a Mansion that involves serving breakfast and green energy drinks?

Yeah Alfred, I'm looking at you.

I personally think Alfred was just jealous because he wasted his entire life except being an old, miserable ***. By TDKR, he was jealous of Batman (unlike in Begins and TDK). It was basically like erectile dysfunction.

 

[edonian]

Oh, I read it during the spawn forum. It was here. But mostly SuperheroHype. And pretty much any forum that someone said "TDK has flaws"

OH DEAR GOD, HOW COULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING!!11

Shh you'll never find a place with such fanboying and polljocking

I thought TDK was the best of the three and I agree it had the most annoying fans, but that's not enough to turn me away from a movie. I feel TDKR wasn't even as good as Batman Begins, really. It certainly felt rushed and choppy, even though it dragged... if that makes any sense. lol

 

[wofford29]

Difabio do you know your posts confuse the rest of us as much as they seemingly have confused you?

 

[CelticPredator]

I still love the movie. But it got to a point where any minor issue anyone had with TDK, it then became a full blown drawn out flame war against that person, it was too much for me.

TDKR has it's problems. A lot of people pointed them out. And I agree with them.

Some...don't. They seem to latch onto the little things and keep pileing them up, so it starts to become this snowball effect that destroys all intrest in the film.

It's really lame.

Twilight doesn't suck because of the little things. It sucks because of the BIG things.

This movie isn't perfect, but it still maintains basic understanding of cinema, and delivers an above average comic book blockbuster.

It has problems. But I've seen it three times. Once blind, once excited, and once judgemental. But the film doesn't bother me because i'm not watching for the little things. I'm enjoying the overall big picture.

TDKR has massive editing problems, diologe issues, and i'll give people the character motivation thing. But the things I've read in this thread, are so out the left ****ing field. I have to question people's ability to enjoy movies. I really, really do.

Using this logic, I could break down Goodfellas, and make it seem like a pile of crap. I can nitpick every little detail, and character motivation until it becomes a shallow hull of a film.

I'm sounding like a broken record, but I don't care. I'm just reading nitpick after nitpick.

And if you didn't enjoy the movie, and you point out the reasons, and they aren't things based in the comic universe, personal preference, little minute details, and adding things that never happened, then I understand.

But that is all i'm reading this point. Blah. BLAH I SAY>

 

[DiFabio]

Difabio do you know your posts confuse the rest of us as much as they seemingly have confused you?

This is the first time I've seen such a complaint about my posts. I'll admit that my structure can be erratic at times (especially if I type as I think) and I do tend to inject these awkward informal "expressions" into my posts.

Other than that, what's confusing about them? Care to elaborate on that more? I think I get my points across, especially when they're picked a part line for line in other threads. My grammar also appears to be sufficient (though I have a tendency to edit my posts a great deal).


Or are you just ****ing with me?

 

[wofford29]

This is the first time I've seen such a complaint about my posts. I'll admit that my structure can be erratic at times (especially if I type as I think) and I do tend to inject these awkward informal "expressions" into my posts.

Other than that, what's confusing about them? Care to elaborate on that more? I think I get my points across, especially when they're picked a part line for line in other threads. My grammar also appears to be sufficient (though I have a tendency to edit my posts a great deal).


Or are you just ****ing with me?

I'm just talking about the content of your posts. You've gone back and forth so many times on liking certain things about the film because they aren't like the comics, and then hating certain things about the film because they aren't like the comics, to hating the comics all together, to not really hating the comics but certain stories, but not liking anything because it isn't the cartoon, except for Ra's in the movies because it's not like either the comics or the cartoons. I'm just completely confused as to what you believe anymore. But apparently you like this film right?

 

[ZaCHw117]

I don't think he even knows that answer.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, that's partially true.

That's the thing, I don't know how I feel about TDKR now. When I first saw it (IMAX) I liked it. The second viewing was even better. Bane and Talia were always a constant negative that I didn't buy or get into, but for the most part I dug the film as a whole. Especially every bit with Batman/Bruce Wayne (despite hating 8 year gaps and overall choices). Yeah there were parts that I questioned (oh, that's a stupid decision) but I just went with it and let go and had fun.

After consecutive viewings though my problems with it increased the more I thought about it. My little nitpicks and problems with it became more blatant on each viewing. I've already gone on rants as to why I think the story sucks or the editing (like Gordon's bedside) or the pacing and what they tend to focus on. From day one I wanted to love this movie because, "hey, it's Batman" but there's just so much stuff about it I don't like. Felt like the film was "too big to fail". Now? I'm not so sure. It's frustrating but hey, that's how I feel.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think you need to take a step back and watch the movie.

Stop watching it for problems. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed it.

Christ dude. Either you liked it, or you didn't like it. It's not that complicated.

I loved Prometheus when I saw it. I still do. I've seen the film twice, and heard every single issue as to why the movie sucks. And you know what? It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of it. I think it's a flawed but pretty cool movie that pushes the Alien mythos into a new direction.

But since I don't want to hate it, I don't force myself to hate it. I don't grasp onto things I don't like. I grasp onto things I enjoy. And if those things hold up after a second viewing, then I know my stance.

I just think you're pushing to a new level of god knows what, and it's not doing you any favors.

It's important to you as Prometheus was to me. But. Just because a film has flaws, and issues, doesn't mean you have to go all negative and pick it apart.

You don't. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed it. Let it go. You may not like some things, but that's the imperfection of cinema.

Honestly, you should probably stop talking about it. Unless you just want to hate it. And if that's the case, then say you hate it.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Difabio, it's weird. Because the issues I first had with it diminished with my on going viewings. I loved the film at first, but since then it's became my favorite batfilm ever. Which is a hard task to accomplish with TDK being absolutely brilliant.


I'm interested to see if it will stand the test of time for me, like TDK did.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I think you need to take a step back and watch the movie.

Stop watching it for problems. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed it.

Christ dude. Either you liked it, or you didn't like it. It's not that complicated.

I loved Prometheus when I saw it. I still do. I've seen the film twice, and heard every single issue as to why the movie sucks. And you know what? It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of it. I think it's a flawed but pretty cool movie that pushes the Alien mythos into a new direction.

But since I don't want to hate it, I don't force myself to hate it. I don't grasp onto things I don't like. I grasp onto things I enjoy. And if those things hold up after a second viewing, then I know my stance.

I just think you're pushing to a new level of god knows what, and it's not doing you any favors.

It's important to you as Prometheus was to me. But. Just because a film has flaws, and issues, doesn't mean you have to go all negative and pick it apart.

You don't. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed it. Let it go. You may not like some things, but that's the imperfection of cinema.

Honestly, you should probably stop talking about it. Unless you just want to hate it. And if that's the case, then say you hate it.

QFT.