The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[thenammagazine]

Hey, what do you think jack Nicholson did for 90% of his films

Add 10% to that and you have Al Pacino's career.

 

[crows]

It was a good film. I just didn't like it in the context of being a Batman film.
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that is exactly my problem

 

[edonian]

When a long film seems to move pretty fast it's usually a good sign that it's a good film

Not for me, it was slow as hell in most parts. Overall, it was okay as a film. But if you're expecting Batman, you'll be highly disappointed.

 

[mojo customz]

Pretty cool design on RIPT today.

darth baner

 

[Fernandofan08]

Add 10% to that and you have Al Pacino's career.

 

[Fernandofan08]

Not for me, it was slow as hell in most parts. Overall, it was okay as a film. But if you're expecting Batman, you'll be highly disappointed.

Batman as in screen time?

He's on screen around the same amount as Batman begins =]

 

[DiFabio]

TDKR has the least.










Batman '89: total running time of 126 minutes.

-(rooftop scene) 1:33
-(Axis) 3:12
-(Dinner/Batmobile drive to cave) 9:21
-(suit-up/staring at Joker in helicopter) 0:31
-(parade/batwing) 4:01
-(Church/Joker fight) 8:45
-(Ending scene on building) 0:08

Total:27:31 min/126= .216 or 22% of bat screen time



Batman Returns: Total running time of 126 minutes.

-(Batman to the rescue) 2:21
-(Patrolling Gotham in Batmobile) 0:46
-(Batman fights clown gang in streets) 1:42
-(Batman talks to Penguin) 1:31
-(Batman/Catwomen fight) 2:17
-(Suiting-up) 0:17
-(Investigating Ice-Princess) 4:39
-(Batmobile takeover) 3:35
-(Saving 1st born sons) 0:08
-(Infiltrating Penguin's lair) 3:33
-(Max Shrek/Catwomen fight) 3:48

Total:24:37/126= .193 or 19% of Bat screen time


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The Dark Knight: Total running time of 152 minutes.

-(Opening/BB-suit scene) 1:14
-(Bank vault) 0:36
-(Rooftop meeting) 0:50
-(Hong Kong) 2:15
-(Dinner Party) 1:17
-(Crime scene) 0:50
-(Gordon's porch) 0:04
-(Night club) 1:19
-(Thomas Shift scene) 0:46
-(Tumbler) 3:40
-(Joker interrogation) 3:31
-(Saving Dent from building) 0:45
-(Rubble/Hospital scenes) 0:14
-(Batman and Lucius scene) 1:08
-(Locating Joker/Building scene) 4:57
-(Two-face/ending) 4:10

Total: 27:36/152= .18 or 18% of Bat screen time




Batman Begins: Total running time of 140 minutes.

-(Docks) 0:52
-(Monorail station/saving Rachel from thugs) 0:33
-(Perched on skyscraper) 0:15
-(Gordon's porch scene) 0:38
-(Flask interrogation scene) 0:47
-(Narrows/Apartment investigation) 3:01
-(Arkham) 4:16
-(Tumbler/Batcave scene) 6:07
-(Narrows feargas/destruction scene) 6:19
-(Ending rooftop scene) 1:26

Total: 24:14/140= .172 or 17% of Bat screen time




The Dark Knight Rises: Total running time of 164 minutes.

-(return to Gotham/Bat-pod) 2:19
-(helps Catwoman escape/The Bat/Batcave) 3:33
-(Searching the sewers/Bane vs Batman fight) 4:59
-(on ice with Gordon/saves Blake from LOS) 1:30
-(gives Catwoman the Bat-pod) 0:56
-(City Hall/Bane fight #2/flying away in The Bat) 7:56

Total: 21:13/164= 13% of Bat screen time.



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Batman Forever: Total running time of 122 minutes

-(Suit up) 1:16
-(Talking to Chase) 1:16
-(Two-Face fight) 4:55
-(The Batsignal is not a beeper) 2:31
-(Harvey getting scarred) 0:03
-(Batmobile chase) 2:20
-(Neon fight scene) 0:41
-(Nigma dinner fight/Two-Face trap) 2:46
-(Chase lookin hot) 1:24
-(Buttfloss/new suit) 1:18
-(He sank my battleship) 1:23
-(Holy rusted metal, Batman/end fight) 5:23
-(Running with Robin/the end) 0:20

Total: 25:36/122= 21% Bat screen time



Batman and Robin: Total running time 125 minutes

-(chicks love the car) 1:31
-(Museum/Freeze fight) 5:07
-(Auction/Bat-card) 2:23
-(chasing Freeze) 1:14
-(B&R investigate Freeze's lair) 3:19
-(Ivy's Lair) 0:47
-(Batskimobile thingy/saving Gotham) 5:46
-(All three running/the end) 0:11

Total: 20:18/125= 16% Bat screen time

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https://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335105

 

[edonian]

Batman as in screen time?

He's on screen around the same amount as Batman begins =]

Really? It didn't feel like it, to be honest. It felt like we had more of the emotional/battered Bruce Wayne than anything else. When he was Batman, he was quite enjoyable... besides the Déjà vu screaming he did like in TDK and the

Spoiler

"No... I came back to stop you..."

he said to Bane.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

the

Spoiler

"No... I came back to stop you..."

he said to Bane.

I really didn't like that. Compare that to how he appears in Batman Begins and it just seems really corny and non-Batmanish. He's gone from feared nightime prowler, who attacks from the shadows and appears more-that-human; to a man in a suit, walking across the street in broad daylight, delivering poor 'superhero' dialogue.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I really didn't like that. Compare that to how he appears in Batman Begins and it just seems really corny and non-Batmanish. He's gone from feared nightime prowler, who attacks from the shadows and appears more-that-human; to a man in a suit, walking across the street in broad daylight, delivering poor 'superhero' dialogue.

Eh. Not a great line ... but it wasn't much worse than "I'll be standing [...] between you and the people of Gotham". Bane is no less intimidated by Bruce than was Ras -- completely unimpressed by theatricality and deception.

SnakeDoc

 

[DiFabio]

I really didn't like that. Compare that to how he appears in Batman Begins and it just seems really corny and non-Batmanish. He's gone from feared nightime prowler, who attacks from the shadows and appears more-that-human; to a man in a suit, walking across the street in broad daylight, delivering poor 'superhero' dialogue.

Eh, he sort of does that in Begins too.

- "Nice coat"

- "Excuse me", after walking through the Arkham Asylum halls and going into the inmates' cells.

Those aren't very "Batmanish". Also the fact that he yells and sounds like a dope in TDK and TDKR (he does it in Begins but is less over the top and actually sounds intimidating) doesn't really make him any less corny. Everything from his voice to his mouth in TDKR looks like the skits and parodies found on youtube and college humor. I think that was Bale and Nolan's answer to the criticism in 2008, "lets make it worse!"


Corny or not, I still see a Batman character. It may not be the grim, dark, serious Batman we want, but Bale is still a different character with that suit and mask on. A character that I enjoy. I believe he is a Batman when he's on screen from his strong screen presence alone. Goofy or not. Atleast it wasn't George Clooney just being George Clooney in a bat suit, bobbing head and all.

 

[edonian]

I really didn't like that. Compare that to how he appears in Batman Begins and it just seems really corny and non-Batmanish. He's gone from feared nightime prowler, who attacks from the shadowto a man in a suit, walking across the street in broad daylight, delivering poor 'superhero' dialogue.s and appears more-that-human;

Thank you. Exactly why I said you'll be disappointed if you're expecting Batman.

 

[Fernandofan08]

TDKR has the least.










Batman '89: total running time of 126 minutes.

-(rooftop scene) 1:33
-(Axis) 3:12
-(Dinner/Batmobile drive to cave) 9:21
-(suit-up/staring at Joker in helicopter) 0:31
-(parade/batwing) 4:01
-(Church/Joker fight) 8:45
-(Ending scene on building) 0:08

Total:27:31 min/126= .216 or 22% of bat screen time



Batman Returns: Total running time of 126 minutes.

-(Batman to the rescue) 2:21
-(Patrolling Gotham in Batmobile) 0:46
-(Batman fights clown gang in streets) 1:42
-(Batman talks to Penguin) 1:31
-(Batman/Catwomen fight) 2:17
-(Suiting-up) 0:17
-(Investigating Ice-Princess) 4:39
-(Batmobile takeover) 3:35
-(Saving 1st born sons) 0:08
-(Infiltrating Penguin's lair) 3:33
-(Max Shrek/Catwomen fight) 3:48

Total:24:37/126= .193 or 19% of Bat screen time


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The Dark Knight: Total running time of 152 minutes.

-(Opening/BB-suit scene) 1:14
-(Bank vault) 0:36
-(Rooftop meeting) 0:50
-(Hong Kong) 2:15
-(Dinner Party) 1:17
-(Crime scene) 0:50
-(Gordon's porch) 0:04
-(Night club) 1:19
-(Thomas Shift scene) 0:46
-(Tumbler) 3:40
-(Joker interrogation) 3:31
-(Saving Dent from building) 0:45
-(Rubble/Hospital scenes) 0:14
-(Batman and Lucius scene) 1:08
-(Locating Joker/Building scene) 4:57
-(Two-face/ending) 4:10

Total: 27:36/152= .18 or 18% of Bat screen time




Batman Begins: Total running time of 140 minutes.

-(Docks) 0:52
-(Monorail station/saving Rachel from thugs) 0:33
-(Perched on skyscraper) 0:15
-(Gordon's porch scene) 0:38
-(Flask interrogation scene) 0:47
-(Narrows/Apartment investigation) 3:01
-(Arkham) 4:16
-(Tumbler/Batcave scene) 6:07
-(Narrows feargas/destruction scene) 6:19
-(Ending rooftop scene) 1:26

Total: 24:14/140= .172 or 17% of Bat screen time




The Dark Knight Rises: Total running time of 164 minutes.

-(return to Gotham/Bat-pod) 2:19
-(helps Catwoman escape/The Bat/Batcave) 3:33
-(Searching the sewers/Bane vs Batman fight) 4:59
-(on ice with Gordon/saves Blake from LOS) 1:30
-(gives Catwoman the Bat-pod) 0:56
-(City Hall/Bane fight #2/flying away in The Bat) 7:56

Total: 21:13/164= 13% of Bat screen time.



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Batman Forever: Total running time of 122 minutes

-(Suit up) 1:16
-(Talking to Chase) 1:16
-(Two-Face fight) 4:55
-(The Batsignal is not a beeper) 2:31
-(Harvey getting scarred) 0:03
-(Batmobile chase) 2:20
-(Neon fight scene) 0:41
-(Nigma dinner fight/Two-Face trap) 2:46
-(Chase lookin hot) 1:24
-(Buttfloss/new suit) 1:18
-(He sank my battleship) 1:23
-(Holy rusted metal, Batman/end fight) 5:23
-(Running with Robin/the end) 0:20

Total: 25:36/122= 21% Bat screen time



Batman and Robin: Total running time 125 minutes

-(chicks love the car) 1:31
-(Museum/Freeze fight) 5:07
-(Auction/Bat-card) 2:23
-(chasing Freeze) 1:14
-(B&R investigate Freeze's lair) 3:19
-(Ivy's Lair) 0:47
-(Batskimobile thingy/saving Gotham) 5:46
-(All three running/the end) 0:11

Total: 20:18/125= 16% Bat screen time

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https://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335105

3 minuets less than Begins. Hardly Noticeable to me,but Its a lower percentage because its 24 minuets longer than BB so to some it feels alot less batman which I can understand.

TDK was full of Batman and is still the bestest. I mean,in TDK I even count Bruce on the motorcycle, and bruce in the Lamborghini reeling the police officers off to Alfred; because to me thats Batman in that car, not Bruce Wayne as you see at Dents party. Id even count the scene in the penthouse reflecting on Rachels death; thats Batman. If you get me lol. Just like Bruce in the Balaclava and Ras' training in BB and Bruce in the Prison in TDKR. Thats Batman to me, but alot of people dont agree for some reason. They think the costume means batman, out of costume, he isnt batman. Totally wrong.

Still say TDKR shouldve had a longer scene of Batman/Catwoman infiltrating the sewers. It was just too awsome,but far too short! The final fight with Bane was too Short. Needed to be longer. When you see bane really going for it relentlessly hitting that post, THATS what was missing, it needed more of that. Needed more of batman dodging bane, taking critical shots and biding time, only for Bane to get angry and making it much harder for batman to hit the mask, Bane adapting to the strategy. but No, over too quickly.

Overall, I didnt realise that there was so little Batman in BB or TDK. TDKR I felt an absence, but that was because what we saw was often so short. Not long enough. If they extended the scenes in a way like I said above, id be happy.

But when you look at BB being 14 minuets, TDKR 26 minuets and TDKR being 38 minuets longer than 89/Returns, Im not fussed by the lesser percentage because the overall story, story telling and film is much, much more involving to me. Never once did I get bored through any of the Nolan films like I did 89. 89 didnt engross me much. Love Returns, joint 2nd with TDKR. But I still didnt like Penguin at all as I dont rate the character itself, although I do believe it was a great comic book rendition by Di vito.

But yeah, I think other elements made the lack of Batman better; I loved Gordon. Oldman, Nolan NAILED Gordon perfectly. I cannot imagine or accept any other actor doing Gordon any justice close to Oldman/Nolan. I liked the fact that Nolans films gave more to sub characters like gordon, Lucious, Alfred. I like how it focused on a variety of characters as opposed to a certain low amount. And Gordon was horrible in Burtons films and Schumacher films. Truly horrible.

 

[DiFabio]

Thats Batman to me, but alot of people dont agree for some reason. They think the costume means batman, out of costume, he isnt batman. Totally wrong.

Not totally wrong. Technically he become Batman once he dons the suit, the cowl and the cape.



That's the point of scenes like these,




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Everything from sliding down the batpole to becoming Batman to the suit up/preparation scene in Begins when Batman puts on the gauntlets, belt and gadgets.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

Eh, he sort of does that in Begins too.

- "Nice coat"

- "Excuse me", after walking through the Arkham Asylum halls and going into the inmates' cells.

Yeah - Nolan chooses to put some corny dialogue in for some reason. But the difference is those lines are meant to be corny - it contrasts with a man dressed as a gaint bat - bit of a cheap laugh.


I get the feeling his line to Bane "came back to stop you" was meant to be serious however it sort of fails and comes across as corny.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, you're right about "came back to stop you". It wasn't intended to be corny like the others that I listed to defend it even though it was.

For me, it reminded me of how a kid would play with their toys. Picture it for a second. Pretend the courthouse steps is the outside of a fire place and that the living room is downtown Gotham. There's this little kid playing with a bunch of action figures.

In one hand, he has the Bane action figure, "So you came back to die with yo citeh."

. . .

In the other, a Batman action figure, "No, I came back to stop you".



Then the kid just bashes the figures together while humming an "epic" theme. Even the choregraphy during that bit (throwing the hands and arms up) is Power Rangers like.

That's definitely what came to mind during that part.

 

[DarthBakura]

Add 10% to that and you have Al Pacino's career.

Actually, I think 90% would be a more accurate assessment. I mean, roles like Scarface aren't exactly his run of the mill gag.

In fact, Nickolson's is probably right on the money too, as "most" of his roles involve acting like a psychopath or quasi disturbed and demented/delusional being.

 

[thenammagazine]

Actually, I think 90% would be a more accurate assessment. I mean, roles like Scarface aren't exactly his run of the mill gag.

In fact, Nickolson's is probably right on the money too, as "most" of his roles involve acting like a psychopath or quasi disturbed and demented/delusional being.

Scarface was just Pacino doing Pacino with a horrible Cuban accent.

 

[Adolfo]

Actually, I think 90% would be a more accurate assessment. I mean, roles like Scarface aren't exactly his run of the mill gag.

In fact, Nickolson's is probably right on the money too, as "most" of his roles involve acting like a psychopath or quasi disturbed and demented/delusional being.

Daniel Day Lewis destroys them both....

 

[DarthBakura]

DDL? Really?

I only seem to recall two of his roles being similar.