The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[IrishJedi]

NO.
NO MOAR.

I need my detective Batman & my comic based films.

 

[K07]

Star Wars is a great film. Seriously, ahead of its time classic. ESB is arguably better and RotJ is arguably a decent ending to the trilogy. B89 comes nowhere near the greatness of any of those films. No where. I grew up watching B89. I didn't see SW until I was 8. Star Wars quickly replaced B89 as my favorite movie of all time at that young age. Star Wars still ranks highly on that list. B89 isn't even in the top 100...

And who fast forwards a movie they own?! I would never wanna fast forward any of my movies. If anything, I'll pop in B89 if I'm cleaning the house or grading papers or something so it's just background noise I don't need to pay close attention to. In fact, I just did that the other day except with BF instead of B89.

 

[thenammagazine]

Without Burton's Batman, Nolan's would never have existed.

 

[K07]

Without Burton's Batman, Nolan's would never have existed.

True. And without Joel Schumacher, Nolan's Batman and all the "reboots" of the day may not exist either.

I'm happy that both series exist and like DiFabio, I can appreciate both styles. I just happen to prefer Nolan's to Burton's.

 

[DiFabio]

I love how it's just raw footage, with the on-set sound and everything. I even prefer Keaton's whispered "I'm Batman" audio to the one used in the final film.

I worked at a movie theater when this trailer was released. I bet I literally watched it more than 100 times.

This shot gets me every time.

Yeah the film is rough around the edges now, especially with Prince music. But it was a radical departure from this,

As far as Batman goes.



And even more different than this,

As far as superheroes on screen go. (NOT that I'm implying that Superman is CAMP or similar to the Adam West show, just that '89 Batman was different)

 

[IrishJedi]

Without Burton's Batman, Nolan's would never have existed.

Yeah, pretty much. It brought the genre mainstream.

 

[Khev]

And who fast forwards a movie they own?! I would never wanna fast forward any of my movies. If anything, I'll pop in B89 if I'm cleaning the house or grading papers or something so it's just background noise I don't need to pay close attention to. In fact, I just did that the other day except with BF instead of B89.

Yep, all four of the first Batfilms actually make pretty good "background" movies in fact. I had a blast chatting with you guys a couple weekends back with B&R playing on the big screen.

 

[K07]

Yep, all four of the first Batfilms actually make pretty good "background" movies in fact. I had a blast chatting with you guys a couple weekends back with B&R playing on the big screen.

I don't own B&R and haven't seen it in 15 years. I'm holding out for Netflix to stream it one of these days. No way I'm paying for it

 

[DiFabio]

Star Wars is a great film. Seriously, ahead of its time classic. ESB is arguably better and RotJ is arguably a decent ending to the trilogy.

Agree, I love the Star Wars films. They were a huge part of my childhood and I regard the originals very highly.

I hope my posts aren't taken seriously (sort of) to those that just skim the thread, I really do love Star Wars. Well, what Star Wars used to be and mean.

 

[K07]

Without Burton's Batman, Nolan's would never have existed.

Also, without Burton's movie I probably wouldn't even be a Batman fan today. Nolan's films wouldn't have the impact on me they had when I watched BB for the first time. I might be posting in the SW forum all the time instead!

 

[intothevoid]

I keep adding stuff to my posts too to keep everyone on their toes.

DiFabio. Dude. Your sarcastic analogy to SW falls flat. Trust me. I *know* how to make a SW analogy. And that's not how you do it. The day Batman appears on ANY "Top 10 All Time Movie" lists (or even top 100) then you can compare it to the phenomenon that was, and is, SW.

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top

TDK is #8
TDKR is #21
BB is #107

Highest star wars is #10

 

[K07]

Agree, I love the Star Wars films. They were a huge part of my childhood and I regard the originals very highly.

I hope my posts aren't taken seriously (sort of) to those that just skim the thread, I really do love Star Wars. Well, what Star Wars used to be.

I understand that both the prequels and merchandising ruined the magic. A lot of us are to blame for being sucked into that game. I collected figures for 10 years before realizing it'd never end and I didn't even love the films anymore. I have seen the original theatrical cuts maybe three times since RoTS came out? I used to watch them a couple times a month. Again, that can ruin a movie for you. I know to watch a movie no more than once every two months after the theatrical run and initial home video release. It'll stay fresh longer that way.

 

[Khev]

I need my detective Batman & my comic based films.

See here's the thing. I like "comic book-y" superhero movies too. And I actually think that TDKR did a *better* job of delivering that than Batman 89.

Someone commented on another forum that TDKR's plot was the most comic like of all the Nolan films, to a fault even. Having the president making an address but still leaving Gotham to it's own devices (namely Batman) to deal with a nuclear threat as opposed to going all Tom Clancy with the outcome.

What's funny is that in Burton's movie everything was absurd and so it wouldn't have been that shocking to see the Batwing kicking ass in all manner of aweome ways. But it got shot down. By a stupid p-shooter. You'd think that in a more "realistic" movie with machine guns and ground to air missiles that "the Bat" would have been taken down even easier. But no it kicked all kinds of ass in a dazzline air to ground chase. *That's* what I wanted in 1989! But the cornier comic book movie came up short and the "realistic" movie delivered genuine over the top thrills.

So neither film really stayed consistent with regard to the "realism" of their respective universes but the TDKR gave us comic book excitement when it counted and while 89 choked.

 

[Khev]

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top

TDK is #8
TDKR is #21
BB is #107

Highest star wars is #10

When I said "Batman" I literally meant "Batman" from 1989. Not movies featuring the character like TDK.

 

[IrishJedi]

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top

TDK is #8
TDKR is #21
BB is #107

Highest star wars is #10

That's only because of the Nolancompoops and the internet age mindset, which is "that old stuff sucks".

See here's the thing. I like "comic book-y" superhero movies too. And I actually think that TDKR did a *better* job of delivering that than Batman 89.

None of the Nolan films are very "comic book-y" at all. Maybe a fleeting element here or there, but that's it.

 

[Khev]

None of the Nolan films are very "comic book-y" at all. Maybe a fleeting element here or there, but that's it.

As I said I believe that TDKR did a better job of delivering the "comic book" elements when it counted.

 

[DiFabio]

What's funny is that in Burton's movie everything was absurd and so it wouldn't have been that shocking to see the Batwing kicking ass in all manner of aweome ways. But it got shot down. By a stupid p-shooter. You'd think that in a more "realistic" movie with machine guns and ground to air missiles that "the Bat" would have been taken down even easier. But no it kicked all kinds of ass in a dazzline air to ground chase. *That's* what I wanted in 1989! But the cornier comic book movie came up short and the "realistic" movie delivered genuine over the top thrills.

They had to get Batman out of the Batwing somehow. It would have been a little anti-climatic if Batman had shot Joker down in a rain of bullets.

Yeah, I agree with the long pistol being silly and that Batman missing is far fetched, that's one of the many faults I had with the film. But then I remember budget and CGI and remember that it wasn't Star Wars and that it wasn't a big aerial battle or Top Gun. The purpose of the Batwing was to stop the Joker from killing off more Gothamites. Since he couldn't be on the ground and had to dispose of the balloons, an aerial vehicles was appropriate. After he disposes of the toxin, the only other purpose for that vehicle was for Batman and the Joker to face off, just like in TDK. It got scrapped and instead, Joker has a long gun pistol that somehow shoots an explosive shell that ****s up Batman's controls.

If it didn't get shot down, we wouldn't have that great, iconic stand off, that "c'mon you gruesome sonofa *****". Originally the float was going to have a canon, which is creative but I see why it was ultimately never used. Concepts get abandoned, it happens all the time. (I still wish we saw Foley get jacked by a Tumbler in TDKR).

Besides, that sort of "luck" the Joker always manages to have has always been part of the character. He should have been shot down (Batman even makes that shocked, cringing face), the Joker should be dead with that smile wiped off his face, but he's still standing for whatever reason, ready to make Batman's life a living hell. If that's not "comic booky" I don't know what is. It would be like watching a serial "Will Batman stop the Joker", only to find the next show that Joker survives miraculously. Illogical? Yep.

But it doesn't ruin the movie for me. Batwing not badass? I thought the Batwing was fantastic prior to that point. When it was first shown in the sky heading towards the parade with the music it was exciting. Batman behind the controls, the imagery. We saw Batman in a helicopter before with shark repellent, never in a fast flying jet with an arsenal a fighter pilot would be jealous at. Flying down in the streets was cool as well as Batman having a difficult time flying up past the cathedral (sounds familiar).

Nobody saw that stuff before.


While I don't like the design of the Bat, the sequences with it in TDKR are much better than '89, as they should be. My only disappointment is the things that were cut out involving it (the tunnel, Batman flying ejecting and flying into the streets).

 

[Khev]

Best thing you've posted in this thread.

I agree. AWESOME teaser trailer. Still one of my favorites of all time:

https://youtu.be/EyozzozRsCk

I love how it's just raw footage, with the on-set sound and everything. I even prefer Keaton's whispered "I'm Batman" audio to the one used in the final film.

I worked at a movie theater when this trailer was released. I bet I literally watched it more than 100 times.

Yeah I do like the "raw" presentation of all the footage. "Alfred, let's go shopping." Heh, didn't remember that line.

 

[IrishJedi]

As I said I believe that TDKR did a better job of delivering the "comic book" elements when it counted.

But what does that even mean?

What we're saying is we want new Batman films that are more like the Marvel movies in tone and fidelity to the source material. Surely you can tell the difference between that and the tone/conceit of the Nolan movies?

 

[Khev]

I'm talking about the wide-eyed wonder of reading a comic book as a kid. I think TDKR did a better job of catering to that, not that it was a literal panel to screen translation. Heck the Schumacher films probably did that the best if that's your litmus test.