The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[ZaCHw117]

It's supposed to feel different.

 

[CelticPredator]

A good trailer should capture the mood of the film. Regardless. If the film is edgy, and different, sometimes it's good to use something like that.

But when the film has a certain sound to it, like the TDK flicks do, you can't stray away. It causes massive disconnect, and you'd wonder what the market people are saying.

It's why I HATED the Looper trailer, with that ****ty dubstep song. I saw the movie. And people who like dubstep would shoot themselves of boredom.

The problem with most fan trailers, is they try to be different, and whatever. But to create a good fan trailer, you have to make it like an actual trailer. It's a commercial to sell a product.

There's a good handful. But usually ones that make them so good, it seems, or should be real.

 

[ZaCHw117]

A good trailer should capture the mood of the film. Regardless. If the film is edgy, and different, sometimes it's good to use something like that.

But when the film has a certain sound to it, like the TDK flicks do, you can't stray away. It causes massive disconnect, and you'd wonder what the market people are saying.

It's why I HATED the Looper trailer, with that ****ty dubstep song. I saw the movie. And people who like dubstep would shoot themselves of boredom.

The problem with most fan trailers, is they try to be different, and whatever. But to create a good fan trailer, you have to make it like an actual trailer. It's a commercial to sell a product.

There's a good handful. But usually ones that make them so good, it seems, or should be real.

Artistic freedom, it's a fan trailer, so you're not too worried about marketing.

Saying "people who like dubstep will hate looper" is a pretty far reach and completely wrong. How would you know that? Do people who listen to Johnny Cash hate Lord of the Rings?

The fan spot was like a real spot, if not better than most of the real spots. The editing is phenomenal.

Take this for example. Same editor, but the trailer is phenomenal. It sets a completely different tone from the actual film.

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[thenammagazine]

It's supposed to feel different.

"Hey, let's advertise a film by making people think it's better than it actually is!"

 

[ZaCHw117]

"Hey, let's advertise a film by making people think it's better than it actually is!"

He's not advertising for the film.

Just having fun with it.

 

[CelticPredator]

I know, but I used to do fan trailers, and a good fan trailer can actually sell you on a movie. A trailer is very artistic, but it has a purpose behind it.

It's not a music video. But it takes incredible talent to create a good one. You have to do the following things to make a good trailer.

Tell the basic plot with little or no words.

Sell the concept and characters.

Show people the tone.

and not give away the whole film.

That's what a good trailer does.

Even a fan one. It doesn't matter if it doesn't exist to sell. Make it like it is. That's how I did my Cap trailer 2. Didn't matter if it was supposed to be funny, I created a real trailer, and didn't made a music video.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I know, but I used to do fan trailers, and a good fan trailer can actually sell you on a movie. A trailer is very artistic, but it has a purpose behind it.

It's not a music video. But it takes incredible talent to create a good one. You have to do the following things to make a good trailer.

Tell the basic plot with little or no words.

Sell the concept and characters.

Show people the tone.

and not give away the whole film.

That's what a good trailer does.

Even a fan one. It doesn't matter if it doesn't exist to sell. Make it like it is. That's how I did my Cap trailer 2. Didn't matter if it was supposed to be funny, I created a real trailer, and didn't made a music video.

Yes, I know these things. I make fan trailers.

*insert shameless plug here*

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I believe he did everything you mentioned in that fan spot. He just tried to make it a little different, and it worked excellent.

 

[CelticPredator]

Fah Yoo.

To me, it doesn't capture the film, and doesn't sell me on it. Like the Looper trailer, it makes me question what the creators were thinking.

 

[jye4ever]

Out of character Coulson's dying words were Whedon's wink to the audience. In character it was just him being funny, even while mortally wounded, as he was a couple scenes prior ("So that's what it does.") Coulson was just that type of guy, "hey, look at that, that cool team name we came up with, now it can actually be a team descriptor instead.") In no way does that translate to him not believing that they had the proper motivation. Quite literally the opposite. He was one of *two* true believers and even borderline hero worshipped the unofficial leader of the team. Not something you do for someone who lacks motivation. He chided Loki for lacking conviction, NOT his beloved Avengers.



You seem to be confusing Nick Fury with the Avengers. Of course HE believed in Loki's threats, hence his conviction to formulate a "response team." That was never in question and is beside the point. Loki's role as a manipulative schemer absolutely was not external audience information. They sat around and talked point blank about it being strange that he allowed himself to be captured and that he was clearly trying to play them off of one another. Of course once Loki escaped and the tesseract was located they wasted almost no time in assembling and addressing the implied threat of an alien attack but Loki was a big question mark to the *team* prior to that due to the ease of his incarceration.



Stark knew that blue whale sized leviathans would appear shepherding alien troops into New York city? Right...

 

[jye4ever]

New Yorker article:

New Yorker film critic David Denby sees superhero epics such as Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy and Marvel's The Avengers as signs of a bleak future for Hollywood cinema.
In an interview with TheWrap for his new book Do the Movies Have a Future?, Denby -- who likes Nolan's Memento -- said of The Dark Knight trilogy, "I can’t tell if he’s against terrorism or is a terrorist, I felt terrorized myself. The plot didn’t make sense in time or space and wasn’t sequential. Acts didn’t have consequences ... I don’t know what comment he’s making in Inception, it seems to be mainly about his own working style.”

 

[crows]

I will always love Batman Forever. it is such a 90s movie, I should hate it but so many great things about it, really great songs, U2's song used for this was really great, one of my favorites.

the girls in this movie were smoking hot. Kim Carrey was crazy as ever,
yeah, I have a lot of nostalgic reasons to love that movie

 

[devilof76]

New Yorker film critic David Denby...

 

[thenammagazine]

New Yorker article:

New Yorker film critic David Denby sees superhero epics such as Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy and Marvel's The Avengers as signs of a bleak future for Hollywood cinema.
In an interview with TheWrap for his new book Do the Movies Have a Future?, Denby -- who likes Nolan's Memento -- said of The Dark Knight trilogy, "I can’t tell if he’s against terrorism or is a terrorist, I felt terrorized myself. The plot didn’t make sense in time or space and wasn’t sequential. Acts didn’t have consequences ... I don’t know what comment he’s making in Inception, it seems to be mainly about his own working style.”

He's a terrorist with his character assassinations of Batman's cast.

 

[Khev]

 

[TheProcrastinator]

Out of character Coulson's dying words were Whedon's wink to the audience. In character it was just him being funny, even while mortally wounded, as he was a couple scenes prior ("So that's what it does.") Coulson was just that type of guy, "hey, look at that, that cool team name we came up with, now it can actually be a team descriptor instead.") In no way does that translate to him not believing that they had the proper motivation. Quite literally the opposite. He was one of *two* true believers and even borderline hero worshipped the unofficial leader of the team. Not something you do for someone who lacks motivation. He chided Loki for lacking conviction, NOT his beloved Avengers.

Of course it translates to this. His last words were a way to make something good out of the whole situation. To tell Fury that "hey its not all bad, maybe now they can finally cooperate", of course it was funny in a way, but it also shown that he realised the problem was there. He knew that there was all the chance in the world this group wasn't going to work. You are right, he did believe in heroes more than most. But he also knew how violate and risky this whole idea was.

And the funny thing is, Your interpretation of this line, actually further reinforces my point. Becouse he is EXPLICITLY stating right in the audience face, the mechanics of this plot point. That his death is just a way, for the team to have something to fight for. That this is what the screenwriter had in mind. Which is a bit forced and awkward, as I said before. Whedon didn't put those word in his mouth for no reason. The whole movie constantly feeds us the point that this team is a time bomb, and that Coulson's death was what they had to "avenge" later.

You seem to be confusing Nick Fury with the Avengers. Of course HE believed in Loki's threats, hence his conviction to formulate a "response team." That was never in question and is beside the point. Loki's role as a manipulative schemer absolutely was not external audience information. They sat around and talked point blank about it being strange that he allowed himself to be captured and that he was clearly trying to play them off of one another. Of course once Loki escaped and the tesseract was located they wasted almost no time in assembling and addressing the implied threat of an alien attack but Loki was a big question mark to the *team* prior to that due to the ease of his incarceration.

Which was all the more reason to take him seriously. Couse they knew he was so easy to catch not becouse he was weak and incompetent, but becouse he purposefuly let himself be caught, which made him even more of a threat.

First of all, the rest of the team knew what was at stake as well. They all knew he stolen the tesseract, they were all looking for it. And they all knew it was a probably the single most dangerous thing on the planet. Stark who was the biggest individualist in the group, knew that better than all of them. They knew he was a remorsless killer who had allready shown his desire for power. The theft of the tesseract alone, should be enough to make everybody loose their minds. They had every reason to believe his threats, to do otherwise, would just make them a bunch of irresponsible idiots. The level of destruction an alien interaction on earth can couse, was allready shown in "Thor", and that was just a simple brotherly dispute, which left some collateral damage. When an actual alien with demigod's powers invades Your planet, kills people on a whim, and disdainfully declares his intend to squash and rule everyone - you take him seriously.

Loki's reputation as a manipulator was mostly an external knowledge, that You are just using to further Your point. The Avengers didn't knew him for the genious god of deception, as well the viewers do, even if they suspected he had something more up his sleeve. The fact that they knew or suspected he let himself be caught on purpose, made him even more dangerous in their eyes. If the main badguy is the only one who wants to be on the helicarrier and is obviously planning to do something with Your base of operations and last line of defense, thats all the more reason to consider him and his plans a serious threat.

Oh, and by the way: Thor explains and says point-blank to the whole team, that Loki's got an army of unknown origin behind him...

Stark knew that blue whale sized leviathans would appear shepherding alien troops into New York city? Right...

Where have I written, that he knew anything about specifications and the damned roster of the army...
Khev, come on man.

I will always love Batman Forever. it is such a 90s movie, I should hate it but so many great things about it, really great songs, U2's song used for this was really great, one of my favorites.

the girls in this movie were smoking hot. Kim Carrey was crazy as ever,
yeah, I have a lot of nostalgic reasons to love that movie

I agree. People dislike this movie mostly, becouse they view it as a rape on Batman's mythos and style, but when judged simply for what it is, it was a pretty sufficient action flick.

Schumacher's Gotham might not be the Gotham we want, but it had its own strong atmosphere and style, as had the whole movie. Carrey and Jones were amazing (despite the fact that both Two-Face and Riddler were wannabe Jokers) and even Kilmer wasn't completely useless as Wayne. His Batman was the most stoic of all interpretations, while his Wayne was quite brooding.

Denby: "I don’t know what comment he’s making in Inception, it seems to be mainly about his own working style."

This is exactly the kind of bull**** that makes critics like Denby and other New York area film reviewers, to be considered by many, the most pretentious ****s on earth. God forbid, a movie just tell an emotional story with a interesting, novel way of presenting the plot. Everything has to be a ****ing comment on something. To accuse Nolan of self-service in Inception is like accusing Tarantino for having a style and negatively calling it a "gimmick". The same goes for his words about terrorism in Batman trilogy. This reminds me of the whole ridiculous "Nolan is pro-Bush" argument, that was thrown around back in 2008. Everything has to be explained to these people, every movie has to have a clear, political statment for them to work. Even funnier was that he implied (Jye didn't quote this part) that movie studio's have a responsibility to the viewer, to produce movies that comment on america...

 

[Khev]

Procrastinator, I don't believe you interpreted the characters or events of The Avengers correctly and it appears that we are at an impasse. I feel that the Avengers addressed all the threats presented in the movie credibly and interwove the various conflicts and character dramas with incredible brilliance in a manner that didn't feel contrived. Obviously you disagree. Since this is a TDKR thread I'll let you have your final say and let everyone else get back to Batman.

 

[Viking Spawn]

New Yorker article:

New Yorker film critic David Denby sees superhero epics such as Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy and Marvel's The Avengers as signs of a bleak future for Hollywood cinema.
In an interview with TheWrap for his new book Do the Movies Have a Future?, Denby -- who likes Nolan's Memento -- said of The Dark Knight trilogy, "I can’t tell if he’s against terrorism or is a terrorist, I felt terrorized myself. The plot didn’t make sense in time or space and wasn’t sequential. Acts didn’t have consequences ... I don’t know what comment he’s making in Inception, it seems to be mainly about his own working style.”

What planet did he come from?

I say some should do this > to him!

 

[thenammagazine]

Procrastinator, I don't believe you interpreted the characters or events of The Avengers correctly and it appears that we are at an impasse. I feel that the Avengers addressed all the threats presented in the movie credibly and interwove the various conflicts and character dramas with incredible brilliance in a manner that didn't feel contrived. Obviously you disagree. Since this is a TDKR thread I'll let you have your final say and let everyone else get back to Batman.

I think he viewed it through biased eyes, likely all huffy with his arms folded because deep down, like void - the redheaded stepchild, he knew the spankage was inevitable.

 

[TheProcrastinator]

and it appears that we are at an impasse.

Cop out. If You show me where I am wrong, and I'll have nothing to counter-attack with, then I'll be more than willing, to call it quits, and give You your due. Moderator's can always move this to the avengers thread.

I think he viewed it through biased eyes, likely all huffy with his arms folded because deep down, like void - the redheaded stepchild, he knew the spankage was inevitable.

Biased? Biased becouse of what? I didn't write all that to say that TDKR was better. I loved Avengers, something You once again fail to see, depite the fact that I wrote it several times, couse as always THE GREAT NAM is all about trolls, haters, biased view, nolancompoops and every post must have an agenda. If You think I am wrong, then write down why and see if I cant reply.

 

[Khev]

Cop out. If You show me where I am wrong, and I'll have nothing to counter-attack with, then I'll be more than willing, to call it quits, and give You your due. Moderator's can always move this to the avengers thread.

What makes you think I'd want to taint the Avengers thread with your misguided musings? I'm leaving your posts right here.