intothevoid
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That's why I said CRITICAL AND commercial. Cmon Nam your the one who teaches us all reading comprehension. WUT HAPPENED!? 
The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*
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thenammagazine
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That's why I said CRITICAL AND commercial. Cmon Nam your the one who teaches us all reading comprehension. WUT HAPPENED!?
Hence the "Khev's logic" disclaimer.
As for critics, they've proven themselves all but worthless on more than one occasion.
jye4ever
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I haz to give it up to Nam, he did just survive a full frontal lolcat assault from grand master flash voidcat.
Stronger men have fallen.
Impressive, most impressive.
Stronger men have fallen.
Impressive, most impressive.
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intothevoid
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He's a master deflector
I'm glad we didn't get luchador Bane
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I'm glad we didn't get luchador Bane
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thenammagazine
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He's a master deflector
I'm glad we didn't get luchador Bane
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Nope, instead we got midget, gimp-jockstrap face Bane.
batfan08
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I actually loved Bane's design. Now, I know that might seem like a surprize, but I mean it on an aesthetic level, too. I love the subtlety of it, and I love the fact that, when you actually take the time to examine it, you see just how true to the comics it is. Lindy Hemming did a masterful job of taking cues from the comics, putting a unique spin on them, and realizing them in a way that didn't go too far into the fantasy realm. I mean it, though; look at his design. He has the sleeveless V-neck; he has the combat boots and pants.
The mask, while being quite different from the comics on a literal level, still retains the core elements; the black and white. Sure, you could argue "it's blue and grey", but I feel that interpretation is more about what's on screen than behind-the-scenes. Even the vambrace seems like it's a nod to his "Venom" control in the comics, and it's that subtlety that really impresses me.
The mask, while being quite different from the comics on a literal level, still retains the core elements; the black and white. Sure, you could argue "it's blue and grey", but I feel that interpretation is more about what's on screen than behind-the-scenes. Even the vambrace seems like it's a nod to his "Venom" control in the comics, and it's that subtlety that really impresses me.
thenammagazine
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See, I disagree. I think everything you just described only exemplifies Nolan's fear to go into the more supernatural aspect of Batman's villains. And instead, the irony is, we're left to swallow that someone who's physically smaller than Batman is infinitely stronger, to the point of being supernaturally strong, punching columns and taking hits from titanium-knuckled gloves and showing absolutely no physical damage. While it apparently worked for others, without the Venom, I just didn't buy it.
batfan08
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This is one of the things that pisses me off about the way they handled the Talia reveal. While, like a lot of things, it's open to interpretation, and, perhaps I'm in denial for being one of the people who thinks that he and Talia were "partners", but it completely undermines what they did, if you interpret it the way that a lot of people did (that Bane is Talia's *****).
Throughout the film, Bane was relatively true to his comic book counterpart. His design was filled with aesthetic winks and nods, he was a physical and intellectual match for Batman, and then...it goes to ****. "Ha! The villain was just a glorified henchman." I hate that; I really, really do. I could swallow the strength thing, I could care less about the height thing. I think that Tom Hardy did an exceptional job, and I don't begrudge him anything for being shorter than Batman.
I do, however, agree with the sentiment that he can go from being seemingly invincible to getting his ass handed to him because Batman got "inspired." It might have been more effective if Batman didn't hit just as hard the first time around as he did in round 2.
Throughout the film, Bane was relatively true to his comic book counterpart. His design was filled with aesthetic winks and nods, he was a physical and intellectual match for Batman, and then...it goes to ****. "Ha! The villain was just a glorified henchman." I hate that; I really, really do. I could swallow the strength thing, I could care less about the height thing. I think that Tom Hardy did an exceptional job, and I don't begrudge him anything for being shorter than Batman.
I do, however, agree with the sentiment that he can go from being seemingly invincible to getting his ass handed to him because Batman got "inspired." It might have been more effective if Batman didn't hit just as hard the first time around as he did in round 2.
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While nam has good points, you also have to remember the same thing with Neeson as Ra's. yeah he's taller than batman, but Neeson in begins looks like a twig in comparison to batman. So the size argument for bane is futile.
Plus, these are skilled fighters, not WWF members. (LOS members). So it's not about size, but discipline and heart mixed with the will to act which makes them powerful.
Plus, these are skilled fighters, not WWF members. (LOS members). So it's not about size, but discipline and heart mixed with the will to act which makes them powerful.
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batfan08
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No, Jye. Everyone knows that Bane broke your Grandma's hip. Then, Jack Lalanne punched it back into place. She kicked Bane's ass with her super awesome mechanical walker, and your Grandpa shot Bane, after your Grandma's old "friend" (who is Bane's new "friend") tried to shiv her.
thenammagazine
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Apples and oranges. You can't compare the Ras fight to the Bane one. Ras wasn't using brute strength, he was using skill, and he was considerably more skilled than Batman (at least initially). Bane and Batman were equals skill-wise, but we're expected to swallow that Bane's magically infinitely stronger despite being shorter and debatably more muscular because he grew up in the dark.
batfan08
Super Freak
I see where you're coming from, but what does height have to do with anything? His stature has no bearing on his strength.
thenammagazine
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Depends. If you did a body-mass index on both Bale and Hardy, I bet there wouldn't be that big a difference between the two to justify Bane's overpowering strength.
It's like if you look at a shorter body builder. He'll look considerably bulkier than the taller one. The reality is that the taller body builder has more mass because there's more distance to cover, hence he's the stronger of the two. Now if Nolan wants to take the "realistic" approach, this is a concept he should've dealt with instead of expecting us all to ignore the reality of his "real" world. In the end, Bane just wasn't believable in being Batman's physical superior, from his dominating fights with Batman to being essentially neutered by Thalia's reveal.
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Bane got in most of the hits during their final fight. It wasn't until Batman broke Bane's mask that he got the upper hand. Even then Bane still got in a couple good hits while in his rage-mode.
batfan08
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That's the whole thing, though. Batman hit the mask just as hard the first time around; you'd think he would've knocked something loose. I kind of would've loved to see him troll Bane with a "No, but I know how you got these" last ditch attack while he was on the ground after the sewer fight.
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Apples and oranges. You can't compare the Ras fight to the Bane one. Ras wasn't using brute strength, he was using skill, and he was considerably more skilled than Batman (at least initially). Bane and Batman were equals skill-wise, but we're expected to swallow that Bane's magically infinitely stronger despite being shorter and debatably more muscular because he grew up in the dark.
Your looking too much at the comic bane, there's nothing in the film that leads Bane to be this bruting muscle, it's skill. Even Alfred alludes to this when at the monitors with Bruce.
Hell, even in the sewer fight Bane wasn't using force, he was using skill. Grabbing batman's fists, doging him, throwing him off the walkway. He literally tired batman out before he broke him. The only thing leading to the "brute" aspect of your argument is Bane taking a couple punches from Batman which didn't even phase Bane. But that is more or less Bane showing how ready he was, compared to batman. "victory has defeated you."
So once again, the argument is futile. Either way you look at it, Bane's size matters not.
Dont forget Bane knew Batman was already broken; weak. 'you fight like a younger man, victory has defeated you'; his wounds from beating Scarecrow, joker and twoface weakened him. His concussion from jokers crowbarring, gunshot from harvey, stab wound from joker, wounds from both falls in BB and TDK. There was the maulings from the dogs. All those lead to weakening batman. Relying on gadgets and stealth in the dark. Bane studied batman. he knew his tricks. Batman didnt study bane. 'oh ill fight harder'. He was cocky because he never fought an opponent truly stronger and brutal than himself. Banes immunity to theatrics being a powerful tool, all the stuff Batman used was what Bane was trained with too, there was an immunity to most of Batmans techniques.
'You think darkness is your ally?' Darkness, Batman used as fear technique. People always panicked, they couldnt see him, they could only hear what movement Batman wanted them to hear or even see. Bane knew no fear of the dark 'Born in it, moulded by it'; it means that he has no fear of the dark. He grew up having to learn in the dark. His sensed developed in the dark meaning that he has a sort of affinity. You know when you get like a sixth sense somethings watching you, or you feel something in the dark, somehow you know somebody is there or know your way in the dark, thats what Bane means. he can sense things in the dark, hence how he sensed Batman.
The fight, batman didnt have a chance. Bane absorbed Batmans hits, tired him out. 5 hits to bane did nothing. one hit to bats put him off balance.
'You think darkness is your ally?' Darkness, Batman used as fear technique. People always panicked, they couldnt see him, they could only hear what movement Batman wanted them to hear or even see. Bane knew no fear of the dark 'Born in it, moulded by it'; it means that he has no fear of the dark. He grew up having to learn in the dark. His sensed developed in the dark meaning that he has a sort of affinity. You know when you get like a sixth sense somethings watching you, or you feel something in the dark, somehow you know somebody is there or know your way in the dark, thats what Bane means. he can sense things in the dark, hence how he sensed Batman.
The fight, batman didnt have a chance. Bane absorbed Batmans hits, tired him out. 5 hits to bane did nothing. one hit to bats put him off balance.
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