The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[MasterSafara]

Agreed. It was a nice touch Bane using the term "brother" in that scene. I can't wait to see it again. Though I will have to.

 

[Ziggie]

My thoughts:

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Characters:

Bale is excellent, his best performance of the trilogy.

Hathaway as Catwomen was brilliant, one of the best parts of the film, another classic example of people bashing the actor/actress before they've seen the film.

Alfred was was the best he's been in the trilogy, his scene's were very emotional.

Gordon and Fox were great as usual.

Now Bane, I thought Bane was awesome, he felt menacing and physically powerful, I really liked his voice but but in some scenes It just sounded bad, but he was not even close to how good Leger's Joker was.
This is how I would rank the villains of the trilogy:
1.Joker
2.Ras
3.Bane
4.Scarecrow
5.Talia

Miranda Tate/Talia was good, nothing special.

I didn't know what to think of Blake before seeing this, but he turned out to be a great part of the movie, but there were some things that I didn't like.

Parts I loved:

Batman's first return, that whole scene was amazing, the lights going out, the silhouette, the police chase, everything was great, I really liked the Bat, but the Batpod stole the show as best vehicle for me.

Every scene with Batman and Catwomen in, especially when they are looking for Bane in the sewers, pure Batman awesomeness there, very Begins like.

Batman vs Bane in the sewers, the fact that there was no music and you were just hearing Batmans cries of desperation when swinging punches and agony when being hit by Bane just made it very powerful, the fight choreography was just excellent in this movie.

Bruce escaping the jail, the music and the build up was great.

Scarecrows Cameo.

Batman's second return, I loved the lighting of the giant Bat symbol.

When Batman beats Bane and basically loses it and starts shouting at bane where the detonator is, so awesome, reminded me of the 'SWEAR TO ME' scene in BB, and when Batman says to bane you have my permission to die, just so amazing.

Talia reveal and back story, great acting from Hardy there, you can see the emotion in his eyes when Talia is telling the story and a tear that goes down his face, this is the part where I actually felt the most that how is Batman going to make it out of this.

When Batman revealed to Gordon that he is Bruce Wayne by saying about when he was a kid, very emotional.

The whole ending was just great, but there was something I didn't like.

Things I didn't like:

The pacing of the film was not always great, some bits didn't need to be included and just made a lot of the film feel clunky.

The simple plot was very overcomplicated at times.

Banes voice in the prologue sounded just laughable for some reason, and I didn't like the changed dialogue either.

I actually thought banes original voice sounded much better and more menacing than what Nolan changed it to.

There should of been more scenes with Bruce/Batman in, I think Bane and Blake both had more screen time.

They should of just left Blake as Blake.

Overall I loved it, a great end to a brilliant trilogy, but to me it is slightly behind TDK and BB, that might change over time and more viewings.

 

[greygoose]

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Batman will return , with Robin , mark my words

A part of me says I want this and another part of me says no to the idea.

 

[intothevoid]

My thoughts:

Spoiler

Characters:

Bale is excellent, his best performance of the trilogy.

Hathaway as Catwomen was brilliant, one of the best parts of the film, another classic example of people bashing the actor/actress before they've seen the film.

Alfred was was the best he's been in the trilogy, his scene's were very emotional.

Gordon and Fox were great as usual.

Now Bane, I thought Bane was awesome, he felt menacing and physically powerful, I really liked his voice but but in some scenes It just sounded bad, but he was not even close to how good Leger's Joker was.
This is how I would rank the villains of the trilogy:
1.Joker
2.Ras
3.Bane
4.Scarecrow
5.Talia

Miranda Tate/Talia was good, nothing special.

I didn't know what to think of Blake before seeing this, but he turned out to be a great part of the movie, but there were some things that I didn't like.

Parts I loved:

Batman's first return, that whole scene was amazing, the lights going out, the silhouette, the police chase, everything was great, I really liked the Bat, but the Batpod stole the show as best vehicle for me.

Every scene with Batman and Catwomen in, especially when they are looking for Bane in the sewers, pure Batman awesomeness there, very Begins like.

Batman vs Bane in the sewers, the fact that there was no music and you were just hearing Batmans cries of desperation when swinging punches and agony when being hit by Bane just made it very powerful, the fight choreography was just excellent in this movie.

Bruce escaping the jail, the music and the build up was great.

Scarecrows Cameo.

Batman's second return, I loved the lighting of the giant Bat symbol.

When Batman beats Bane and basically loses it and starts shouting at bane where the detonator is, so awesome, reminded me of the 'SWEAR TO ME' scene in BB, and when Batman says to bane you have my permission to die, just so amazing.

Talia reveal and back story, great acting from Hardy there, you can see the emotion in his eyes when Talia is telling the story and a tear that goes down his face, this is the part where I actually felt the most that how is Batman going to make it out of this.

When Batman revealed to Gordon that he is Bruce Wayne by saying about when he was a kid, very emotional.

The whole ending was just great, but there was something I didn't like.

Things I didn't like:

The pacing of the film was not always great, some bits didn't need to be included and just made a lot of the film feel clunky.

The simple plot was very overcomplicated at times.

Banes voice in the prologue sounded just laughable for some reason, and I didn't like the changed dialogue either.

I actually thought banes original voice sounded much better and more menacing than what Nolan changed it to.

There should of been more scenes with Bruce/Batman in, I think Bane and Blake both had more screen time.

They should of just left Blake as Blake.

Overall I loved it, a great end to a brilliant trilogy, but to me it is slightly behind TDK and BB, that might change over time and more viewings.

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Agree 100% with everything except to leave Blake as Blake, I thought his ending parts were superb, and I would add I think the story had even MORE to it which simply didn't have enough time to explore. I bet there are a good 30-60 mins of cut footage here, if there is one movie I would ever want to have an extended cut, this is it

 

[intothevoid]

A part of me says I want this and another part of me says no to the idea.

No, no and no. It's perfect. Leave it. Done.

 

[carbo-fation]

Does anyone know if Nolan is planning on releasing an extended edition of each movie on Blu-Ray?

 

[MasterSafara]

I don't know but I think he needs to pull a George Lucas in reverse and do a trilogy sequel down the road to follow up!

 

[greygoose]

No, no and no. It's perfect. Leave it. Done.

Has Bale said he's done with Batman too?

 

[carbo-fation]

I doubt he would ever do that especially if another Batman reboot is on the way.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

No, no and no. It's perfect. Leave it. Done.

I want a re-boot set in the 1930's directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and based off the engineering of Leonardo Da Vinci Flying Machines.

 

[annihilate22]

Such a let down. The end of the movie was as if they were begging you to just shout out the obvious.

For me this was just not up there with the previous two. Everyone was so gullible here, I didn't know hibernation made you stupid.

 

[Ziggie]

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Agree 100% with everything except to leave Blake as Blake, I thought his ending parts were superb, and I would add I think the story had even MORE to it which simply didn't have enough time to explore. I bet there are a good 30-60 mins of cut footage here, if there is one movie I would ever want to have an extended cut, this is it

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I don't know, I just felt that Robin should never of been mentioned, they should of just had the ending exactly the same, Blake finding the batcave but just staying as John Blake.

And I agree about the story, I wouldn't mind if the film had been longer but bring on an extended cut.

 

[DarkMagic]

Eurgh, enough with the friggin inception conspiracy theories. Its a different film by the same creator. Not the same film.

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They set it up for the past two films. Bruce wanted out. He thought Harvey was the key for him and rachel. Rachel died, dent became two face. The only way Gotham wouldnt need Batman was for Dents action to stand, become the Dent act and Batman to become a criminal.

Bruce couldnt move on from Rachel believing she was waiting for Bruce when the truth is she chose Harvey because Bruce will always need Batman.

Alfred always dreamt when Bruce left the first time, he would see him across the table, with a family living the life he always wanted Bruce to have, because in Gotham City he would never have that. He would never escape his surname, he would never escape the fact his parents were murdered. Every corner he turned his parents ghosts would be with him in his mind.

Away from gotham, Bruce can move on, live the life his family wouldve wanted, the life Alfred wanted.

When Alfred said in BB that they left him in charge of the thing that his parents thought most precious, it wasnt the Mansion. it was Bruce. Can nobody not see that? 'Know your limits', 'thought you was helping people not damn good television', 'youve got a name to uphold', then alfreds speech about saving bruce the pain of knowing that his escape route from Batman was just Bruces fantasy, sparing him the pain of knowing that he wouldnt have a route out, and the only way is what Bruce ended up wanting; to die the hero after becoming the villain.

Bruce realised this, Bruce realised that saving Gotham, rising up batman as the legend, Bane gave the city to the people, and the good people took it back. No corruption anymore, the mob is non existent almost. Gotham doesn need BRUCE as Batman anymore. Selina wanted a way out, she wanted to change. The two connected, the two fought along side and Selina became bruces' escape, Bruce became Seleina's escape.

Bruce remembered exactly what Alfred said; he thought Bruce was dead. He thought he failed Thomas and Martha. Instead, he succeeded; Bruces message to Alfred was exactly what Alfred wanted it to be, It was a message to Alfred that he is moving on now, he is ok, he has Selina and one day a family.

Its not a dream, its not Inception. Its a happy ending, which is rare for Batman after you look in the comics at Silver st Cloud for example. But this film is an End. This is an end that I have wanted for Bruce Wayne since reading comics, but comics would never end. They will always continue to punish Bruce Wayne as batman until he dies. Which is why the ending for me is the most powerful it could be; Because Bruce is happy. Nobody ever has Bruce happy, Nobody has bruce fought his demons. This has. Everytime he starts happiness it comes crashing down but finally.... Bruce can have a happy life. I think some cant accept that of Batman and expects the story to just have him go on and on and on. Idve loved another film or so, but the ending was perfect for me because thats what it was, an ending. Batman doesnt have endings.

/thread. You nailed it man.

After seeing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I believed

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the message of those movies was that Bruce Wayne wants to be Batman for a while to inspire people, then quit...except, like almost every other Batman story, circumstances prevent that and he realizes, relunctantly, that he *has* to be Batman for life, he never gets to have "hope for a normal life"...especially with the death of Rachel and the corruption and death of Dent (so he can't take over as the symbol of hope).

Going into TDKR, I fully expected Bruce to just accept this dire destiny for his life and at the end, when all signs pointed to him making the ultimate sacrifice, I figured this would be confirmation of that. How wrong I was.

You are right, as on ongoing monthly comic character, Bruce Wayne can never get over it, he can never move on, he can never be "happy". There are countless times in the comics, cartoons, and previous movies where he falls in love, or otherwise has the glimmer of hope that he may be able to leave his "never-ending" mission behind or hand it off to someone else. But inevitably, the love interest betrays him, or is killed, or just can't accept who he is...or if he leaves "the never-ending mission" there is always something that forces him out of retirement as Batman proper (The Dark Knight Returns) or in some very involved capacity (Batman Beyond). I am glad, that in at least this one interpretation of Batman, Bruce gets his happily ever after that he deserves.

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Bat kitty permission to die >>>> banekitty

Epic epic moment - Batman at his most brutal!! I got the complete 'swear to me' vibe in those moments

Regarding the Batman voice:

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In that particular scene, Batman to Bane: "Then YOU have my permission to die" it was fine, but in other parts, like the first fight with Bane, and at times when he's talking to Catwoman, it was way over the top. Like waaaay over...past what he did in TDK that a lot of people complained about. And I loved it. It was almost self-parody, as if Christian Bale was telling the voice critics, "you thought what I did before was silly? You ain't heard nothing yet."

 

[spindrift]

Has Bale said he's done with Batman too?

Yes since he won't do one without Nolan. It's done- it should be...perfect, leave it alone!

 

[Nightwing]

why didn't they give Catwoman her signature whip?

 

[MasterSafara]

Get over the voice. It was fine.

 

[intothevoid]

/thread. You nailed it man.

After seeing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I believed

Spoiler

the message of those movies was that Bruce Wayne wants to be Batman for a while to inspire people, then quit...except, like almost every other Batman story, circumstances prevent that and he realizes, relunctantly, that he *has* to be Batman for life, he never gets to have "hope for a normal life"...especially with the death of Rachel and the corruption and death of Dent (so he can't take over as the symbol of hope).

Going into TDKR, I fully expected Bruce to just accept this dire destiny for his life and at the end, when all signs pointed to him making the ultimate sacrifice, I figured this would be confirmation of that. How wrong I was.

You are right, as on ongoing monthly comic character, Bruce Wayne can never get over it, he can never move on, he can never be "happy". There are countless times in the comics, cartoons, and previous movies where he falls in love, or otherwise has the glimmer of hope that he may be able to leave his "never-ending" mission behind or hand it off to someone else. But inevitably, the love interest betrays him, or is killed, or just can't accept who he is...or if he leaves "the never-ending mission" there is always something that forces him out of retirement as Batman proper (The Dark Knight Returns) or in some very involved capacity (Batman Beyond). I am glad, that in at least this one interpretation of Batman, Bruce gets his happily ever after that he deserves.

Regarding the Batman voice:

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In that particular scene, Batman to Bane: "Then YOU have my permission to die" it was fine, but in other parts, like the first fight with Bane, and at times when he's talking to Catwoman, it was way over the top. Like waaaay over...past what he did in TDK that a lot of people complained about. And I loved it. It was almost self-parody, as if Christian Bale was telling the voice critics, "you thought what I did before was silly? You ain't heard nothing yet."

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I thought the voice didn't sound more over the top than TDK but I also loved it, whatever it was!!

And yes, this interpretation of Bruce Wayne IS different. He always intended Batman to be a finite thing, to give Gotham an everlasting symbol of hope.

I just read a full confirmation of this in the Art and Making of TDK trilogy as well and I quote

'From the earliest days of developing the story for Batman Begins, Nolan and Goyer had talked, in general terms, about the arc of Bruce Wayne's life. The first film would be about his becoming Batman - but only temporarily, as an extreme but short term means of setting Gotham on a better path. The second film would be about his being drawn deeper into the life of his alter ago. The third film, if it came to pass, would have to resolve that dilemma and close the Batman chapter of Bruce Wayne's life. '

Bruce Wayne in Nolanverse is fundamentally different from comic Bruce Wayne in the fact that he views Batman as a temporary means to an end. Not an end in and of itself which comic Batman appears to be many a time.

'

 

[DarkMagic]

Get over the voice. It was fine.

You referring to my post? I loved the voice.

 

[greygoose]

So:

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Was Bruce still alive or did Alfred imagine Bruce was there at the cafe.

 

[Rorywan]

Just saw it. Lots of things I liked, lots of things I absolutely hated. Nolan's ego seemed to derail the entire movie IMO.
A lot of the narrative plotting was just lazy and arrogant.

Catwoman was fantastic, I personally really liked the ending.
Mixed bag.