I agree. The lack of even a mention of the Joker at all is probably my #1 beef with this film. The character absolutely should have been addressed in some way. Nolan punted and failed there.
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I agree. The lack of even a mention of the Joker at all is probably my #1 beef with this film. The character absolutely should have been addressed in some way. Nolan punted and failed there.
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The entire reason for Batman being out of commission was because of TDK. His limp, his torment, and not to mention the crime rate going down because of the Dent act.....TDK is the thrust of the story.
But thankfully, it goes back to the better film. Begins.
But thankfully, it goes back to the better film. Begins.
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It's Heath's fault.
He died. The character had to be swept under the rug because it bothered Nolan too much.
Ash Housewares
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Would it really have been disrespectful to Heath to at least mention the character. Heath and Joker aren't the same person. I enjoyed the film while watching it and it's better than most the tripe that is released but looking back it was a bit dissapointing. Main beef is still that Gotham looked too much like New York.
thenammagazine
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It was my #4 beef, behind...
#3: Bane being small and a crybaby, #2: Alfred abandoning Wayne - never happen, and #1: Batman/Bruce pretty much running off and abandoning Gotham to be with Selina.
Though I think Hathaway did a good job in the normal scenes and was still unbelievable as Catwoman, it was a forgivable issue.
Though I think Hathaway did a good job in the normal scenes and was still unbelievable as Catwoman, it was a forgivable issue.
Yeah, but as nam pointed out that was all explained in just a few moments of exposition. This film ties to BEGINS thematically and hardly TDK at all. I think Nolan tried so hard to avoid the Joker situation that he snapped a through-line that could have connected all 3 films seamlessly. As it stands, TDK feels a bit outside the curve now.
And it hurt his film. He should have sucked it up and done what was necessary for the trilogy, not what he felt was less painful.It's Heath's fault.
He died. The character had to be swept under the rug because it bothered Nolan too much.
The thing with your #1 is that it's absolutely in line with Nolan's Bruce Wayne. Dude's been trying to quit being Batman since TDK.
Hell, quitting for 8 years (in his prime) is probably a bigger "sin" than your #1. No way in a million years would the Batman of the comics do that. But this is Nolan's Batman, so the ending actually fits and completes an arc.
thenammagazine
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No, I know. And that's why it works in the context of a Nolan movie, but not a Batman movie. Out of 5 stars, as a Batman movie, it's probably a solid 3 stars (with the Batman action saving it from a lower score), as a non-Batman movie, it's 4.5. To give others an idea, IMO, As a Batman movie, I'd give TDK a 4 (too convoluted to get any higher) with BB a solid 5.
Was Ras or his plan ever addressed in TDK?
Ash Housewares
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Nope..........
DarkMagic
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Neither your #1 or #2 are a stray from the Batman comic mythos or are uncharacteristic to the characters involved. Both #1 and #2 have happened before in the comics. In fact in the very comic storylines that had some influence on this film. Your #2 happened in KnightFall, for pretty much the same exact reason as the film, and #1 happened in No Man's Land, for a slightly different reason.
Didn't involve leaving to be happy with a "normal life" by being with Selina or any other woman, Bruce Wayne just went into despair and pretty much gave up on saving Gotham...for a while. He abandoned the city for months when it needed him the most...but he eventually returns.
thenammagazine
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Neither of those were permanent in the comics, yet are in TDKR, so that's irrelevant.
RyanSD
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It was clear that Knightfall and No Man's Land were definitely the main comic book sources for the movie.
Alfred has left before in the comics, that's not what I thought the issue was, more in how it was handled.
Alfred has left before in the comics, that's not what I thought the issue was, more in how it was handled.
Josh-A-Tron
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I wouldn't bother, he's not going to listen.
thenammagazine
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You two can do all the naked chestbumps for Nolan you want, it's not gonna change my opinion here. 
Sitting in the theater ready for round two!
People would know doubt enjoy these films a lot more if they could understand it's one mans telling of the Batman story. No different than anyone else telling their story. It's all due to recycle anyways.
Josh-A-Tron
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I've given up, and you're allowed an opinion, I just vehemently reject it. 
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I don't rate any of these Batman films. I like them all for different reasons. The only one that doesn't really resonate with me in any way shape or form is Batman and Robin. Besides, the tone, story, and look of each film is drastically different from film to film. In 2005, TDK and TDKR didn't exist. By the end of Begins the sky was the limit. So when I watch Batman Begins it's nostalgic, it's different. It's an adventure origin hero film. I think of the narrows, Flass, the bronze brown filter, etc. It's the same mind set I had on '05.
TDK is a different feeling for me altogether. The Joker, Coleman Reese, blue filter, city crime drama.
Really it's like they're from different worlds/universes all together. It's almost as if they were filmed by different directors. The only constant is Bruce Wayne's arc/characterization.
While I don't rank, I do enjoy and feel more passionate about TDK, '89 Batman, Begins and Returns. Time and nostalgia are on their sides for me to think of them so highly. Not that TDKR is bad, it's not. It just hasn't sunk in yet. It's still fresh in my mind.
TDK is a different feeling for me altogether. The Joker, Coleman Reese, blue filter, city crime drama.
Really it's like they're from different worlds/universes all together. It's almost as if they were filmed by different directors. The only constant is Bruce Wayne's arc/characterization.
While I don't rank, I do enjoy and feel more passionate about TDK, '89 Batman, Begins and Returns. Time and nostalgia are on their sides for me to think of them so highly. Not that TDKR is bad, it's not. It just hasn't sunk in yet. It's still fresh in my mind.
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