The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[DarkMagic]

You two can do all the naked chestbumps for Nolan you want, it's not gonna change my opinion here.

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It's fine to have an opinion but you can't deny facts. You said Alfred would never abandon Bruce...he did it in the movie because he thought it would save his life...and he did the EXACT thing in the comics for the EXACT same reason because he thought it would save his life. You said Bruce would never abandon Gotham but he has in the comics.

Now you are "clarifying" that you really meant they would never do so on a "permanent" basis, and in the movie, it's "permanent"....soooo that somehow makes their identical actions uncharacteristic? It appears to me you just aren't that familiar with the comics characters, and if you are---you forgot about/ignored those specific stories when you made your initial statement.

You do realize comics and movies are different mediums right? You can make more permanent things happen in movies than in serialized comics where you want the story to continue...and continue...and continue...indefinitely. Of course you eventually have to return to the "status quo" in comics. If you tell the "last" Batman story in July's issue...it's gonna be pretty damn hard to sell August's issue. A movie series with a beginning, middle and END doesn't have that limitation (it has other limitations).

 

[thenammagazine]

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It's fine to have an opinion but you can't deny facts. You said Alfred would never abandon Bruce...he did it in the movie because he thought it would save his life...and he did the EXACT thing in the comics for the EXACT same reason because he thought it would save his life. You said Bruce would never abandon Gotham but he has in the comics.

Now you are "clarifying" that you really meant they would never do so on a "permanent" basis, and in the movie, it's "permanent"....soooo that somehow makes their identical actions uncharacteristic? It appears to me you just aren't that familiar with the comics characters, and if you are---you forgot about/ignored those specific stories when you made your initial statement.

You do realize comics and movies are different mediums right? You can make more permanent things happen in movies than in serialized comics where you want the story to continue...and continue...and continue...indefinitely. Of course you eventually have to return to the "status quo" in comics. If you tell the "last" Batman story in July's issue...it's gonna be pretty damn hard to sell August's issue. A movie series with a beginning, middle and END doesn't have that limitation (it has other limitations).

Spoilertag, numbnuts.

 

[DarkMagic]

Spoilertag, numbnuts.

Fixed. Going to continue to sidestep the point of the post now?

 

[thenammagazine]

Fixed. Going to continue to sidestep the point of the post now?

No. In a comic where writing decisions like that are limited to single issues and can be fixed because nobody, not even the readers, believe it's permanent is one thing. To have it be so far outside of what the character would do both in and outside the comics, and make it finite for the film is another thing entirely. Honestly, the same points could've been gotten across by...

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...having Alfred stay at the manor but force Wayne to wait on himself and do his own duties. And having Bruce in a more Batman Beyond role at the end. Instead, Nolan decided to go completely against these two mens' characters. It's hard to buy a man who loves Bruce as a son would just walk out on him and abandon him in his biggest time of need. And it's also extremely hard to buy that a man who would miraculously come back from a paralyzing injury (we'll ignore the medical impossibility of his healing) and spend all that constrained effort and pain to get back to Gotham, would suddenly stop and bail on the city like that for some skanky tang. Hell, nobody's even sure if Bane's even dead.

As a movie, I think it's a great movie. But as a Batman movie, it just doesn't work all that well for me.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't rate any of these Batman films. I like them all for different reasons. The only one that doesn't really resonate with me in any way shape or form is Batman and Robin. Besides, the tone, story, and look of each film is drastically different from film to film. In 2005, TDK and TDKR didn't exist. By the end of Begins the sky was the limit. So when I watch Batman Begins it's nostalgic, it's different. It's an adventure origin hero film. I think of the narrows, Flass, the bronze brown filter, etc. It's the same mind set I had on '05.

TDK is a different feeling for me altogether. The Joker, Coleman Reese, blue filter, city crime drama.

Really it's like they're from different worlds/universes all together. It's almost as if they were filmed by different directors. The only constant is Bruce Wayne's arc/characterization.

While I don't rank, I do enjoy and feel more passionate about TDK, '89 Batman, Begins and Returns. Time and nostalgia are on their sides for me to think of them so highly. Not that TDKR is bad, it's not. It just hasn't sunk in yet. It's still fresh in my mind.

 

[Star Puffs]

I'm on my way to see this right now!

 

[DarkMagic]

No. In a comic where writing decisions like that are limited to single issues and can be fixed because nobody, not even the readers, believe it's permanent is one thing. To have it be so far outside of what the character would do both in and outside the comics, and make it finite for the film is another thing entirely. Honestly, the same points could've been gotten across by...

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...having Alfred stay at the manor but force Wayne to wait on himself and do his own duties. And having Bruce in a more Batman Beyond role at the end. Instead, Nolan decided to go completely against these two mens' characters. It's hard to buy a man who loves Bruce as a son would just walk out on him and abandon him in his biggest time of need. And it's also extremely hard to buy that a man who would miraculously come back from a paralyzing injury (we'll ignore the medical impossibility of his healing) and spend all that constrained effort and pain to get back to Gotham, would suddenly stop and bail on the city like that for some skanky tang. Hell, nobody's even sure if Bane's even dead.

As a movie, I think it's a great movie. But as a Batman movie, it just doesn't work all that well for me.

Fair enough.

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I understand it being hard to believe that Bruce would leave Gotham, but it's a little easier to accept knowing that he didn't abandon it without leaving it a replacement protector full of heart. Not anywhere near his level of training, but definitely the right level of heart to be Batman.

As for Alfred quitting instead of refusing to wait on him and assist his Batman activities--I think Alfred realized he had to do something extreme to get Bruce to take notice. He even mentions that his knows his actions (and words---revealing the truth about Rachel's decision) are so drastic and painful to hit Bruce with all at once and out of the blue that it will "earn his hatred". But he much prefers an alive Bruce that hates him to a dead Bruce.

 

[Nightwing]

Fair enough.

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I understand it being hard to believe that Bruce would leave Gotham, but it's a little easier to accept knowing that he didn't abandon it without leaving it a replacement protector full of heart. Not anywhere near his level of training, but definitely the right level of heart to be Batman.

As for Alfred quitting instead of refusing to wait on him and assist his Batman activities--I think Alfred realized he had to do something extreme to get Bruce to take notice. He even mentions that his knows his actions (and words---revealing the truth about Rachel's decision) are so drastic and painful to hit Bruce with all at once and out of the blue that it will "earn his hatred". But he much prefers an alive Bruce that hates him to a dead Bruce.

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I wonder if Blake would find a way to contact Bruce and be trained by him either in Gotham, or where Bruce will be residing.

 

[thenammagazine]

Fair enough.

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I understand it being hard to believe that Bruce would leave Gotham, but it's a little easier to accept knowing that he didn't abandon it without leaving it a replacement protector full of heart. Not anywhere near his level of training, but definitely the right level of heart to be Batman.

As for Alfred quitting instead of refusing to wait on him and assist his Batman activities--I think Alfred realized he had to do something extreme to get Bruce to take notice. He even mentions that his knows his actions (and words---revealing the truth about Rachel's decision) are so drastic and painful to hit Bruce with all at once and out of the blue that it will "earn his hatred". But he much prefers an alive Bruce that hates him to a dead Bruce.

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But see, even the admission of Rachel's decision didn't even work. It felt flat and contrived. Another pointless part of the movie. It would've been better had Alfred emphasized that despite "Batman's rule" he indirectly caused the death of Rachel and technically, directly, the death of Harvey Dent (since he no-doubt knows the truth about Dent).

 

[MasterSafara]

Okay so I saw The Dark Knight Rises for the second time today. I went last night as well. I saw it again for 2 reasons. First of all it was so good it deserves to be seen again. PERIOD. Especially in IMAX! Second I need another go around to pay closer attention to the finer details. Here's what I can tell you...

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The movie is so chaotic during about the last 10 minutes with all the action sequences from scene to scene that I actually missed an important scene the first time around and was more distracted by these scenes that I missed tiny details. Batman lives. That is clear to me now. I thought he died after I saw it for the first time because I missed the scene (even though I was right there watching lol) I missed the scene where Fox is speaking with the techs and they figure out the auto pilot was "patched," which if I recall correctly is the word they used, 6 months or was it 3? Lol earlier by Bruce Wayne. What threw me off is that Batman tells Catwoman before he takes off with the bomb to the ocean is auto pilot does not work. Secondlythat the blast is that of 4 ton nuclear bomb with a blast radius of 6 miles. I figured there's no way he survives. Then I watched very closely the second time around and noticed the last time you see Batman in the cockpit of the Bat is as he's flying over the bridge after he blows up a skyscraper to make clearance. He's still in the Bat at that point. Then you see the Bat flying out to sea. At no point do you see Batman eject which is fine because it sets up the ending without giving it away. Batman told Catwoman there was no auto pilot so that he could fake his own death to finally "start over" as they kept saying in the film. Then Alfred's fantasy comes true as he sees Bruce and Selina Kyle at the restaurant cafe. So Bruce ends up with Catwoman and they both start over. I'm not sure who repaired the bat signal but I believe it was Bruce "passing the torch" so to speak for and giving rise to the new dark knight Blake who real legal name is of course... you guessed it! ROBIN! I feel like if the forces of evil should rise again and be too much for Robin the new Dark Knight, Batman is watching and waiting to answer the call. Robin finds the bat cave and he's seen rising at the end. Perfect! I can't believe this will be the end to the trilogy but if it really is its a masterpiece trilogy and was finished to perfection!

Anyone with questions feel free to ask me as its still fresh in my memory and I understand it all from start to finish now. Try and stump me!

 

[tomandshell]

Anyone with questions feel free to ask me as its still fresh in my memory and I understand it all from start to finish now. Try and stump me!

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After Bane and his men attack the stock exchange, they make their escape on motorcycles with hostages, jumping over the ramp-shaped roadblocks in broad daylight. In the middle of the pursuit, the scene switches to the middle of the night, with the computer still finishing up the download/upload process which began minutes earlier. What happened to the sunlight? Or the sunset/dusk? Seems like it went straight from noon to midnight in the middle of the high speed downtown chase. I'm stumped. Please explain...

 

[ironwez20]

Lol I thought I was the only one who caught that. Biggest blooper ever .

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Hollywood magic buddy

 

[Sachiel]

Because it's ******* Gotham City.

 

[MasterSafara]

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After Bane and his men attack the stock exchange, they make their escape on motorcycles with hostages, jumping over the ramp-shaped roadblocks in broad daylight. In the middle of the pursuit, the scene switches to the middle of the night, with the computer still finishing up the download/upload process which began minutes earlier. What happened to the sunlight? Or the sunset/dusk? Seems like it went straight from noon to midnight in the middle of the high speed downtown chase. I'm stumped. Please explain...

No problem! I got you covered.

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I've seen this in movies before. In this particular movie Nolan wants you to believe it's daylight just before night fall. Though you don't even think about it at first. You'll notice the first news report you see on TV the cops chasing Bane and co the dark of night is quickly setting in. Then you're taken to the tunnel scene. After they get out of the tunnel it's night time. Pretty quick I know, but it is what it is. Now tell me this hos likely is it Batman heals in 3 months time after some dude punches his protruding vertebrae back inside his skin? Lol there's a lot of unlikely scenarios in this movie but that's what makes it a movie. It's fictional. I like the angle Nolan took though with the trilogy. It's a whole lot more realistic and believable than say... Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? Hahahaha!

 

[thenammagazine]

Okay so I saw The Dark Knight Rises for the second time today. I went last night as well. I saw it again for 2 reasons. First of all it was so good it deserves to be seen again. PERIOD. Especially in IMAX! Second I need another go around to pay closer attention to the finer details. Here's what I can tell you...

Spoiler

The movie is so chaotic during about the last 10 minutes with all the action sequences from scene to scene that I actually missed an important scene the first time around and was more distracted by these scenes that I missed tiny details. Batman lives. That is clear to me now. I thought he died after I saw it for the first time because I missed the scene (even though I was right there watching lol) I missed the scene where Fox is speaking with the techs and they figure out the auto pilot was "patched," which if I recall correctly is the word they used, 6 months or was it 3? Lol earlier by Bruce Wayne. What threw me off is that Batman tells Catwoman before he takes off with the bomb to the ocean is auto pilot does not work. Secondlythat the blast is that of 4 ton nuclear bomb with a blast radius of 6 miles. I figured there's no way he survives. Then I watched very closely the second time around and noticed the last time you see Batman in the cockpit of the Bat is as he's flying over the bridge after he blows up a skyscraper to make clearance. He's still in the Bat at that point. Then you see the Bat flying out to sea. At no point do you see Batman eject which is fine because it sets up the ending without giving it away. Batman told Catwoman there was no auto pilot so that he could fake his own death to finally "start over" as they kept saying in the film. Then Alfred's fantasy comes true as he sees Bruce and Selina Kyle at the restaurant cafe. So Bruce ends up with Catwoman and they both start over. I'm not sure who repaired the bat signal but I believe it was Bruce "passing the torch" so to speak for and giving rise to the new dark knight Blake who real legal name is of course... you guessed it! ROBIN! I feel like if the forces of evil should rise again and be too much for Robin the new Dark Knight, Batman is watching and waiting to answer the call. Robin finds the bat cave and he's seen rising at the end. Perfect! I can't believe this will be the end to the trilogy but if it really is its a masterpiece trilogy and was finished to perfection!

Anyone with questions feel free to ask me as its still fresh in my memory and I understand it all from start to finish now. Try and stump me!

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There's no Batman and Robin. I think while his "legal" name is Robin, we're supposed to believe, and the film is set up to show us that Blake is the new Batman. Bruce Wayne is done with Gotham and gone for good.

 

[MasterSafara]

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There's no Batman and Robin. I think while his "legal" name is Robin, we're supposed to believe, and the film is set up to show us that Blake is the new Batman. Bruce Wayne is done with Gotham and gone for good.

I like it. Since Nolan gave this whole trilogy a realistic approach I think

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you'd have to believe Blake assumes Batmans role as protector of Gothem. The repaired bat spot light signal is a great indication of this. It's more realistic to believe Blake simply accepts the "passing of the torch" so to speak rather than creates a whole new persona in his image. Red yellow and green tights... Rather he is not the new Batman Nam... Blake is the new Dark Knight! The Dark Knight Rises could have several meanings in this movie. A few I can think of 1. Batman rises again after a 7 years hiding out period. 2. Batman rises after being broken by Bane. 3. Blake rises at the end and becomes not the new Batman, but the new Dark Knight. Hence The Dark Knight Rises.

 

[thenammagazine]

I like it. Since Nolan gave this whole trilogy a realistic approach I think

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you'd have to believe Blake assumes Batmans role as protector of Gothem. The repaired bat spot light signal is a great indication of this. It's more realistic to believe Blake simply accepts the "passing of the torch" so to speak rather than creates a whole new persona in his image. Red yellow and green tights... Rather he is not the new Batman Nam... Blake is the new Dark Knight! The Dark Knight Rises could have several meanings in this movie. A few I can think of 1. Batman rises again after a 7 years hiding out period. 2. Batman rises after being broken by Bane. 3. Blake rises at the end and becomes not the new Batman, but the new Dark Knight.

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Nah, there were several "rise" situations throughout the movie so I don't think it was just a single event. At the end though, Blake is both the new Dark Knight/Batman. I doubt it, but it would be cool for the sake of not loosing all of this time invested in the Nolan series, if JGL continues the role of Batman in the 2014 reboot and continues this story.

 

[MasterSafara]

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Nah, there were several "rise" situations throughout the movie so I don't think it was just a single event. At the end though, Blake is both the new Dark Knight/Batman. I doubt it, but it would be cool for the sake of not loosing all of this time invested in the Nolan series, if JGL continues the role of Batman in the 2014 reboot and continues this story.

I didn't say it was any one single event. I'm just saying the title could have several meanings throughout the movie. And I pointed out a few.

 

[bloodgear]

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I don't really view these as true Batman films. They're very much Bruce Wayne films in my mind. Batman isn't the dominant persona. Great films though, all the same.