Re: The Dark Knight Rises
Yes it is true. I'll be coming back for TDKR.
Yes it is true. I'll be coming back for TDKR.
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Deckard
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"Very well, take the Buttmunch into custody. I am the Buttmunch."
"Very well, take the Buttmunch into custody. I am the Buttmunch."
Devil_666
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*slow clap for Deckard stepping up*
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I really do think it would make more sense for Two-face to come back than Ra's. Ra's story wrapped up. Two-face's didn't so much. There is still aftermath left to deal with. If it ever broke what Harvey did after the accident, it would ruin his White Knight image and hurt morale for Gotham letting Batman step in.
I really do think it would make more sense for Two-face to come back than Ra's. Ra's story wrapped up. Two-face's didn't so much. There is still aftermath left to deal with. If it ever broke what Harvey did after the accident, it would ruin his White Knight image and hurt morale for Gotham letting Batman step in.
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I think story wise, Ra's is more interesting. Ra's and Bruce are more connected to one another, if Ra's were to come back, there'd be a personal vendetta against Bruce, and I would think that would have more an emotional impact on Bruce, facing consequences of his choices. The fall out from Two-Face would affect things, but not as personally as anything coming from Ra's. Anything Ra's did, Bruce would feel a sense of guilt over and some of the blame, thinking had he just killed Ra's as he'd tried to teach Bruce too, these things wouldn't happen.
I think story wise, Ra's is more interesting. Ra's and Bruce are more connected to one another, if Ra's were to come back, there'd be a personal vendetta against Bruce, and I would think that would have more an emotional impact on Bruce, facing consequences of his choices. The fall out from Two-Face would affect things, but not as personally as anything coming from Ra's. Anything Ra's did, Bruce would feel a sense of guilt over and some of the blame, thinking had he just killed Ra's as he'd tried to teach Bruce too, these things wouldn't happen.
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I think the Joker sent that message home in The Dark Knight though.
I think the cover up of Harvey Dent's fall would lead to a great impact on Gotham, and thus Batman and Bruce. A story with Ra's would really only impact Bruce on a personal level. Harvey's fall from grace would put the establishment in question. If the White Knight could fall, who else? Can Gordon and the police really be trusted now? Is Batman good or bad? Etc, etc.
So even if Two-face isn't returning, I think people finding out about him will be critical to the plot. With the White Knight no longer being Gotham's Hero, perhaps the Dark Knight will RISE to the call?
But I think the most logical way for Harvey's rampage to come out would be for him to return 'from the grave.' Its not like he had any visual obvious signs of death in the film. Just knocked out would be plausible as Batman survived the fall too. There is the armor, yadda, yadda, yadda, but the point is he walked away (and then ran away) relatively unharmed. Horror movies have brought back their villians in far less believable ways. Perhaps its not Nolan's first choice, but when your Plan A dies on you, you got to go with Plan B.
I think the Joker sent that message home in The Dark Knight though.
I think the cover up of Harvey Dent's fall would lead to a great impact on Gotham, and thus Batman and Bruce. A story with Ra's would really only impact Bruce on a personal level. Harvey's fall from grace would put the establishment in question. If the White Knight could fall, who else? Can Gordon and the police really be trusted now? Is Batman good or bad? Etc, etc.
So even if Two-face isn't returning, I think people finding out about him will be critical to the plot. With the White Knight no longer being Gotham's Hero, perhaps the Dark Knight will RISE to the call?
But I think the most logical way for Harvey's rampage to come out would be for him to return 'from the grave.' Its not like he had any visual obvious signs of death in the film. Just knocked out would be plausible as Batman survived the fall too. There is the armor, yadda, yadda, yadda, but the point is he walked away (and then ran away) relatively unharmed. Horror movies have brought back their villians in far less believable ways. Perhaps its not Nolan's first choice, but when your Plan A dies on you, you got to go with Plan B.
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Joker's different though. Joker is fallout of Bruce's choice to become Batman and creating an invite for criminals to rise up. While Bruce felt the responsibility of it, I think fallout from Ra's would be even deeper. Ra's tried to instill in him that execution was the only means of true justice with criminals and Bruce made the committment to not kill. If Gotham falls under siege from an enemy it wouldn't have to face if Bruce didn't make that choice, he would feel great conflict, compounded by the Joker. Choosing to become Batman breeds the Jokers of the world, and choosing to let them live leaves a threat out there to still be dealt with.
To me it's more interesting when the hero is caught up in turmoil and having to rise above the situation. I just don't see any direction to take the Dent/Two-Face story where it would be so personal for Bruce as Ra's.
Joker's different though. Joker is fallout of Bruce's choice to become Batman and creating an invite for criminals to rise up. While Bruce felt the responsibility of it, I think fallout from Ra's would be even deeper. Ra's tried to instill in him that execution was the only means of true justice with criminals and Bruce made the committment to not kill. If Gotham falls under siege from an enemy it wouldn't have to face if Bruce didn't make that choice, he would feel great conflict, compounded by the Joker. Choosing to become Batman breeds the Jokers of the world, and choosing to let them live leaves a threat out there to still be dealt with.
To me it's more interesting when the hero is caught up in turmoil and having to rise above the situation. I just don't see any direction to take the Dent/Two-Face story where it would be so personal for Bruce as Ra's.
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In the Nolan universe, Harvey Dent is Jason Todd. He is Batman's biggest failure, and the Joker's biggest victory. He showed that even the best are corruptable, and chaos reigned. With Dent, Joker won.
I don't see how Ras is nearly that big a deal to either Gotham or Wayne. Ras was not important to Gotham except insofar as he terrorized the city. Wayne knew he was an unhinged vigilante when he left him on the mountain -- and Wayne chose to let him die in the train.
Wayne and Gordon blame themselves for Dent/ Rachel. Dent meant more to Gotham, and Wayne didn't intentionally let him die (so he obviously meant more to Wayne).
Honestly -- I think a redemption of Harvey Dent, ala Hush, would work for TDKR.
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In the Nolan universe, Harvey Dent is Jason Todd. He is Batman's biggest failure, and the Joker's biggest victory. He showed that even the best are corruptable, and chaos reigned. With Dent, Joker won.
I don't see how Ras is nearly that big a deal to either Gotham or Wayne. Ras was not important to Gotham except insofar as he terrorized the city. Wayne knew he was an unhinged vigilante when he left him on the mountain -- and Wayne chose to let him die in the train.
Wayne and Gordon blame themselves for Dent/ Rachel. Dent meant more to Gotham, and Wayne didn't intentionally let him die (so he obviously meant more to Wayne).
Honestly -- I think a redemption of Harvey Dent, ala Hush, would work for TDKR.
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I would rather see Two-Face back than Ras. I think its a great point that Dentis Nolan's Jason Todd.
I'm pretty much up for whatever Nolan thinks is best. The first two were pretty good, and I've enjoyed the other two Nolan films I've seen, so I don't have too much reason to expect this movie to be any different.
I would rather see Two-Face back than Ras. I think its a great point that Dentis Nolan's Jason Todd.
I'm pretty much up for whatever Nolan thinks is best. The first two were pretty good, and I've enjoyed the other two Nolan films I've seen, so I don't have too much reason to expect this movie to be any different.
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Nolan is in a league of his own IMO. I trust him fully to blow us away again.
Btw, which other two Nolan movies have you seen?
Nolan is in a league of his own IMO. I trust him fully to blow us away again.
Btw, which other two Nolan movies have you seen?
Agentofchaos
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I must have watched The Prestige at least a dozen times. One of my favorites. I highly recommend Memento as well - probably in my all time top 10 favorite movies
I must have watched The Prestige at least a dozen times. One of my favorites. I highly recommend Memento as well - probably in my all time top 10 favorite movies
Wake
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Insomnia was Nolan's weakest and its not a bad movie.
Insomnia was Nolan's weakest and its not a bad movie.
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I think Inception is his best...
Followed by Begins, Memento, The Prestige, Insomnia, and TDK.
I think Inception is his best...
Followed by Begins, Memento, The Prestige, Insomnia, and TDK.
intothevoid
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For me:
1. Inception
2. Begins
3. TDK
4. Memento
5. Prestige
6. Insomnia
Dying to see The Following...
I think Inception is his best...
Followed by Begins, Memento, The Prestige, Insomnia, and TDK.
For me:
1. Inception
2. Begins
3. TDK
4. Memento
5. Prestige
6. Insomnia
Dying to see The Following...
Devil_666
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I think the best movie Nolan has done is Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel. Just the depth of the characters Nolan created, and the twists.. just some really great writing and directing there. Not to mention the witty title: Squeakquel. I think that movie is only rivaled by the follow up offering from Nolan, Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked. Chip-Wrecked!? I'd like to see M. Night Shamalamadingdong or James King of the World Cameron come up with something like that. They can't by the way. It's not a challenge.. because it can't be done. You can't top awesome.
I think the best movie Nolan has done is Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel. Just the depth of the characters Nolan created, and the twists.. just some really great writing and directing there. Not to mention the witty title: Squeakquel. I think that movie is only rivaled by the follow up offering from Nolan, Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked. Chip-Wrecked!? I'd like to see M. Night Shamalamadingdong or James King of the World Cameron come up with something like that. They can't by the way. It's not a challenge.. because it can't be done. You can't top awesome.
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Clearly you guys haven't seen the last airbender. Such a moving movie, the pace was good and they got all the names right. The acting was spot on and IMO this movie killed every Nolan movie he made. This movie was snubbed of winning an Oscar. (sarcasm ftw).
Clearly you guys haven't seen the last airbender. Such a moving movie, the pace was good and they got all the names right. The acting was spot on and IMO this movie killed every Nolan movie he made. This movie was snubbed of winning an Oscar. (sarcasm ftw).
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