The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[intothevoid]

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Agreed. That's my biggest concern. If it is that way, in kind of a pseudo- Dark Knight Returns way, I think it'll really take away from the Batman character in these films. So he stops Joker and Two-Face and just gives up? Guess we'll all find out July 20th.

If he's absent for 8 yrs, it's not because he gives up. It's because he's not needed.

Nolan's said in interviews that the jumping off point for him when writing the story to TDKR was to pose himself the question, what if Batman and Gordon's lie at the end of TDK (about Batman having committed those murders, and not Dent) actually worked? In other words, what if Gotham bought it and was inspired by what they believed was a martyr in Harvey Dent, who died while trying to make a difference.

So either Batman is minimally active for 8 yrs because a. he's on the run and b. not much crime

Or he's totally out of the game because it's 'peace time'

 

[intothevoid]

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^^^The reason I have been staying out of this thread.

Thanks for the spoiler.

Unconfirmed.

 

[jye4ever]

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^^^The reason I have been staying out of this thread.

Thanks for the spoiler.

huh, i'm just guessing.

Unconfirmed.

Nolan didn't call me.

 

[Wanderer]

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^^^The reason I have been staying out of this thread.

Thanks for the spoiler.

Ahahaha!

 

[Sachiel]

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Here are some relevant quotes from previous articles.

“It will make a lot more sense to people when they see the film,” Nolan said of the leap forward. “But it’s not a great mystery — it’s the jumping-off point for the film — but it’s hard for me to articulate it. I think the mood at the beginning of the film will make a lot of sense. If I had to express it thematically, I think what we’re saying is that for Batman and Commissioner Gordon, there’s a big sacrifice, a big compromise, at the end of the ‘The Dark Knight’ and for that to mean something, that sacrifice has to work and Gotham has to get better in a sense. They have to achieve something for the ending of that film — and the feeling at the end of that film — to have validity. Their sacrifice has to have meaning and it takes time to establish that and to show that, and that’s the primary reason we did that.”

"It’s really all about finishing Batman and Bruce Wayne’s story. We left him in a very precarious place at the end of The Dark Knight. His reputation in tatters, on the run. And I think, perhaps surprisingly for some people, our story picks up quite a bit later. Eight years after The Dark Knight. So he's an older Bruce Wayne. He's not in a great state. Not that he was ever in a great state! He's frozen in time. He's hit a brick wall."

"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that - but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."

"When we meet [Gordon], things are calmer in Gotham. It’s reminiscent of the Gordon that we met in the first one. There’s a world-weariness to him, and even though things on the surface are now calmer, he’s cleaned up Gotham with the Harvey Dent Act, it’s seething underneath."

"There is a piece of legislation, and we are dealing with a Gotham that's moved on. In the last eight years, it has come to revere Harvey Dent in the way that Batman intended at the end of the last film."

"If Batman's plan was to stomp out crime the new movie asks: What if the plan actually worked?" And so the story begins eight yeas later, with a Bruce Wayne still recovering from the physical and psychological traumas of his Joker/Two-Face double whammy, Batman still a reviled cultural scapegoat, and Gotham prospering from deception.

"The movie deals with the idea that if you've papered over the cracks, then you're just solving problems in a way that may not hold for the future."

While grappling with the repercussions of the conspiracy he hatched with Gotham's police commissioner, Jim Gordon, Bruce Wayne will have to repair his troubled relationships with Alfred and Lucious Fox.

 

[IrishJedi]

I do really hope the reboot ignores the origin and also eschews any themes of duality. It's been done to death. Just show me a Batman who is the World's Greatest Detective and who genuinely enjoys going out and beating criminals to a pulp every night.

 

[Devil_666]

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Just as long as they don't "90210" it and add a bunch of 20 yr olds + a soundtrack of pop hits to it.

 

[Maglor]

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That's exactly the thing - dude is mental, he's just an error of judgement away from becoming the very thing he fights against. That was the whole point of the Joker in TDK IMO. To showcase this.

Mental? Yes. Selfish? That's a more nuanced accusation, but I would say: no.

Unconfirmed.

huh, i'm just guessing.





Nolan didn't call me.

You're lucky.

Ahahaha!

It would be my fault if I did get spoiled though.

Gonna bow out from this thread again.

 

[IrishJedi]

Just as long as they don't "90210" it and add a bunch of 20 yr olds + a soundtrack of pop hits to it.

Ugh. Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Devil_666]

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Gonna bow out from this thread again.

Fox dies. Confirmed.

 

[Deckard]

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See to me that says no crime, no Joker in the 8 yr gap. I can't imagine Joker in a prison cell, no attempt to escape for 8 years. Has that ever happened in the comics short of him being catatonic in TDK Returns?

I just don't like the idea of Bruce not being Batman throughout his entire prime. He's going to be around 40 now, they say themselves he's run down and can't keep doing it, I don't like that it removes the possiblity of him fighting the rogues gallery we all know and love and at the same time, it will prove that dying a martyr like Harvey won't work for more then a few years, which would cheapen Batman's death if it happened even more. The same way the destined to do this forever line from Joker is now pretty much worthless.

 

[CelticPredator]

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I want a badass, stylized comic book Batman. Like a live action version of TAS.

 

[Maglor]

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Fox dies. Confirmed.

 

[intothevoid]

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I want a badass, stylized comic book Batman. Like a live action version of TAS.

Call Zack Snyder

Watch DC give him the reins for Batman as well if MoS turns out to be a homerun.

 

[Devil_666]

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See to me that says no crime, no Joker in the 8 yr gap. I can't imagine Joker in a prison cell, no attempt to escape for 8 years.

The Joker died of a drug overdose.

 

[CelticPredator]

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See to me that says no crime, no Joker in the 8 yr gap. I can't imagine Joker in a prison cell, no attempt to escape for 8 years. Has that ever happened in the comics short of him being catatonic in TDK Returns?

I just don't like the idea of Bruce not being Batman throughout his entire prime. He's going to be around 40 now, they say themselves he's run down and can't keep doing it, I don't like that it removes the possiblity of him fighting the rogues gallery we all know and love and at the same time, it will prove that dying a martyr like Harvey won't work for more then a few years, which would cheapen Batman's death if it happened even more. The same way the destined to do this forever line from Joker is now pretty much worthless.

It wasnt then. But Heath died, so that ____ed everything up. Recasting wasnt going to be an option.

.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Call Zack Snyder

Watch DC give him the reins for Batman as well if MoS turns out to be a homerun.

I tried. But Irish wont transfer me.

 

[IrishJedi]

Call Zack Snyder

Watch DC give him the reins for Batman as well if MoS turns out to be a homerun.

Batman is his all-time favorite character and his dream project is The Dark Knight Returns (which I very much doubt will ever happen outside of the upcoming 2-part DC animated film).

The people that matter (WB brass & Nolan) certainly like him, though, so who knows.

He & Nolan have a multi-picture deal with Superman, though.

 

[intothevoid]

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Batman is his all-time favorite character and his dream project is The Dark Knight Returns (which I very much doubt will ever happen outside of the upcoming 2-part DC animated film).

Yeah, read some interviews of him talking about wanting to do The Dark Knight Returns.

I'd like to see him do a Batman film, with some of the more fantastical rogues, like Mr/ Freeze, Killer Croc or Man Bat for example.

 

[Sachiel]

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The Joker died of a drug overdose.