The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[batfan08]

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I do really hope the reboot ignores the origin and also eschews any themes of duality. It's been done to death. Just show me a Batman who is the World's Greatest Detective and who genuinely enjoys going out and beating criminals to a pulp every night.

I agree with you 100%. Batman is iconic, and he is known this world over. People all over the world know Batman and his origin, so don't spoon feed it to them like they don't. We don't need an origin every time there's a reboot, what we need is variety. Through all of this media, I think that the only time we've actually seen Batman in his prime (outside of the comics) is in the DCAU.

 

[Deckard]

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It wasnt then. But Heath died, so that ____ed everything up. Recasting wasnt going to be an option.

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It feels like Nolan is saying too definitively, that this will be Batman's fate and only adventures if you will. Instead of leaving that window or future open for us to imagine whatever we would have wanted in there which I think would have served a far greater purpose of allowing the indivual to fill in that gap however they imagined and be more ok with what Nolan then chooses to show us as the more important moments to Bruce's overall story. He became Batman, trained and gave all that, to stop Ra's and Joker, and that's it? That's incredibly lame and a waste imo. He's got the largest pool of well adaptable Rogues and we get the LOS and Joker in his entire run as Batman.

I just can't get over the feeling that this is almost certainly happening this way because Heath died and Nolan got turned off of Batman as a whole. I still don't feel that his heart was in this one, it seems like he'd rather make a socio-economic statement to me then properly finish Bruce's story the same way he started. I agree with other's observations of the line in the trailer about "giving everything", and I think Nolan does feel responsible for Heath in some small way and it's affected where Batman is and how quickly he's arrived there.

 

[Devil_666]

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Wasn't Nolan's original intention to reuse The Joker for the 3rd film? I could swear I read that somewhere.

 

[intothevoid]

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Wasn't Nolan's original intention to reuse The Joker for the 3rd film? I could swear I read that somewhere.

Yes it was.

I don't agree with Deckard's post that 'Nolan's heart's not in it'. Can't see how that conclusion can be drawn from anything. I also think we know far less about this film than we are being led to believe.

 

[jye4ever]

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Joker is in TDKR.

void knows this to be true, he's holding back on everyone.

 

[IrishJedi]

I agree with you 100%. Batman is iconic, and he is known this world over. People all over the world know Batman and his origin, so don't spoon feed it to them like they don't. We don't need an origin every time there's a reboot, what we need is variety. Through all of this media, I think that the only time we've actually seen Batman in his prime (outside of the comics) is in the DCAU.

Yup. The comics, TAS, DCAU and even Batman: The Brave & The Bold have nailed various aspects of the character and the mythos that no live action film has yet captured & presented.

 

[intothevoid]

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Yeah. We should have a 'say no to Batman origin retelling' campaign

 

[IrishJedi]

Joker is in TDKR.

void knows this to be true, he's holding back on everyone.

I do think he has to be at least referenced verbally or it's a huge mistake.

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah. We should have a 'say no to Batman origin retelling' campaign

Where can I pick up my sign?

 

[Sachiel]

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I agree with other's observations of the line in the trailer about "giving everything",

Not everything... not yet.

 

[Devil_666]

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I personally hate origin story BS in a movie about a specific character when there's numerous resources available for people (who are interested) to get all that info from.

Wikipedia and it's massive catalog of mostly useless information comprised by millions of bored people with nothing better to do who actually think they're "journalists" has made origin stories in comic book movies uneccesary.

 

[intothevoid]

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I personally hate origin story BS in a movie about a specific character when there's numerous resources available for people (who are interested) to get all that info from.

Wikipedia and it's massive catalog of mostly useless information comprised by millions of bored people with nothing better to do has made origin stories in comic book movies uneccesary.

I think it's fine for characters that haven't been on the big screen before.
Origins are a big part of what makes each character interesting.

But yeah, for characters like Batman, Superman, Spiderman... the origins have been done and are KNOWN to the general audience. No need to go over it again and again.

 

[Deckard]

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Yes it was.

I don't agree with Deckard's post that 'Nolan's heart's not in it'. Can't see how that conclusion can be drawn from anything. I also think we know far less about this film than we are being led to believe.

Well it's just my own opinion, from Nolan's enthusiasm before filming, during, and now, in various interviews. His tone seems to be that he had a direction with Joker but wasn't even sure about that, he was saying he didn't know if he'd be done after or even do only 3, making a strong case against 3rd films in trilogies, and Christian was saying upto filming that if Nolan wanted to do more he'd come back too. Heath died, he seemed against it altogeather unless he could do something perfect, then all the sudden it was just full speed ahead a few weeks later with a new script. I just can't believe that the perfect idea was born, written and convincing enough that fast. Not to mention how much CGI there is present for someone like him. He seems to be making alot of comprimises for someone that was just given so much credit for practical effects on Inception and in the other 2. I wouldn't be surprised if he feels obligated to the insane Nolan fans, and they are pretty crazy, not even the avatards were crying over the trailers, to finish it up and just move on with his career as quickly as he could. Not to mention he may have had pressure from the studio for something to compete with The Avengers and with cart blanche decided wrapping it up and getting out now was the way to go, and so far the trailers haven't convinced me otherwise. I personally think he's a bit jaded and wants to move on, maybe even dump some of these Batman fans off his back so he doesn't have a constant reminder. I don't think he's pulling a Sam Raimi like with SM3, but I definately feel he's not as into this as the previous two for obvious reasons.

 

[jye4ever]

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/\ or he could just totally be invested in it.

 

[intothevoid]

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/\ or he could just totally be invested in it.

 

[Deckard]

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Hey like I said, I don't personally think this is the case here, but we all thought Sam Raimi was invested in SM3, the trailers looked great, and instead he purposely submarined it. I don't think Nolan would submarine it and intentionally make a bad movie, but I do think he wants out like Raimi did.

 

[intothevoid]

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Hey like I said, I don't personally think this is the case here, but we all thought Sam Raimi was invested in SM3, the trailers looked great, and instead he purposely submarined it. I don't think Nolan would submarine it and intentionally make a bad movie, but I do think he wants out like Raimi did.

We shall see, we shall see

 

[Deckard]

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Well we probably won't tbh, even if the movie is good only time and Nolan himself will tell us if he really just wanted to move on.

 

[batfan08]

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Well, I think an origin in film would be redundant, now. Regardless of the direction these two movies are going in, one thing that Nolan got note-perfect to the comics was the origin. From the alleyway to the mountains of Tibet, it was like that jumped from panel to screen.

 

[intothevoid]

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Well we probably won't tbh, even if the movie is good only time and Nolan himself will tell us if he really just wanted to move on.

Yeah but IMO he would really have to be a genius beyond even what I consider him to be to make a movie to top BB and TDK, without being full invested in it.