See, ads like that are why these things don't spoil the movie. I can't figure out the plot for the life of me. So Fox is still making him stuff even though he's not using it?
Fox 'These conversations usually end with an unusual request'
Bruce 'I'm retired'
Fox 'Well let me show you some stuff anyway, just for old times sake'
Shows 'The Bat'
Fox 'Told 'ya. You're retired(?)'
Bruce 'I'm retired.'
Seems like Alfred doesn't want Bruce to be Batman again, fearing for his life.
But Fox seems to want him back.
That's throwing me too, Wayne has a lot of looks in this movie and I'm struggling to figure out the timeline of the images. It's really exciting trying to guess though.
I think Fox and Alfred have always seen the importance of Batman to Gotham, especially Alfred in TDK, but, with Batman being hurt in this one, I think Alfred is snapped back to earlier days and see Bruce more as the little boy from Begins and his protective nature kicks in, while Fox knows Bruce's mindset and plays to it.
I'm thinking:
Bruce is retired during "peace time" but Fox anticipates that at any point, Batman could be needed so new tech is developed. He shows off The Bat to him and all, but it's not used until Batman returns. Bruce looks a lot like he does when he goes to the Ball with Selina and I think that all of this plays before his first fight with Bane.
I think the big scene with Alfred comes as Bruce is getting himself back into Batman mode, he's been beaten, he was taken away, now he's back and getting himself shaped up to dawn the cowl again, but Alfred doesn't want him to.
I know the idea is that in the latest spot, Bruce is screaming over a tragic death, I don't believe it to be Alfred or Fox though, as he has the beard from captivity and again, I think the big Alfred chat comes after that, and we know he goes to Fox for gear when he returns so it's not him either.
Or, you're led to believe he's truly retired, and then he and Alfred either see something on TV or someone approaches them to catch their attention like that photo, and Bruce is pulled out of retirement again. How cool would it be if the end of the film went down the path of Batman hanging up the cowl and at the very end, something changes that and the movie closes with a shot of Batman going into action, similar to the last shot of TDK.
I think Fox and Alfred have always seen the importance of Batman to Gotham, especially Alfred in TDK, but, with Batman being hurt in this one, I think Alfred is snapped back to earlier days and see Bruce more as the little boy from Begins and his protective nature kicks in, while Fox knows Bruce's mindset and plays to it.
I'm thinking:
Bruce is retired during "peace time" but Fox anticipates that at any point, Batman could be needed so new tech is developed. He shows off The Bat to him and all, but it's not used until Batman returns. Bruce looks a lot like he does when he goes to the Ball with Selina and I think that all of this plays before his first fight with Bane.
I think the big scene with Alfred comes as Bruce is getting himself back into Batman mode, he's been beaten, he was taken away, now he's back and getting himself shaped up to dawn the cowl again, but Alfred doesn't want him to.
I know the idea is that in the latest spot, Bruce is screaming over a tragic death, I don't believe it to be Alfred or Fox though, as he has the beard from captivity and again, I think the big Alfred chat comes after that, and we know he goes to Fox for gear when he returns so it's not him either.
Maybe - like you said the best part is (so far) the marketing is only throwing up more questions than answers for the most part, which is great.
Another gobsmacking quote: "This is the biggest one I've ever done. The biggest one anyone's done since the silent era, in truth." - Christopher Nolan That is a HUGE and extremely bold statement.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about 'biggest' in the sense of the scale of the production. Makes me wonder how much stuff we have no idea about!
Maybe - like you said the best part is (so far) the marketing is only throwing up more questions than answers for the most part, which is great.
Another gobsmacking quote: "This is the biggest one I've ever done. The biggest one anyone's done since the silent era, in truth." - Christopher Nolan That is a HUGE and extremely bold statement.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about 'biggest' in the sense of the scale of the production. Makes me wonder how much stuff we have no idea about!
You mean bigger than Cleopatra, The 10 1/2 Commandments, Spartacus, The Bridge over the river Thames, Gone with the Wind, Ben Hurt, Wizard of Oz, Lawrence of south central Arabia and the Benny Hill Show
If so, Mr. Nolan, "We Salute You!" AC/DC style of course.
Maybe - like you said the best part is (so far) the marketing is only throwing up more questions than answers for the most part, which is great.
Another gobsmacking quote: "This is the biggest one I've ever done. The biggest one anyone's done since the silent era, in truth." - Christopher Nolan That is a HUGE and extremely bold statement.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about 'biggest' in the sense of the scale of the production. Makes me wonder how much stuff we have no idea about!
Nolan's never struck me as arrogant, so I would imagine for one, that quote may be used out of context, but also, I think he's just referring to how big a story and production he took on.
Nolan's never struck me as arrogant, so I would imagine for one, that quote may be used out of context, but also, I think he's just referring to how big a story and production he took on.
Some of the TDKR imagery has me hopeful Nolan will give us more cinematic looks at Batman like he did I'm Begins. I feel like with TDK, they approached him like, ok, everyone knows about Batman now, we don't have to present him as hiding in shadows or lurking like a gargoyle on rooftops, but that is one of my most favorite aspects of Begins.
I'm aware, but we're also now seeing night images that are more in line with how he was shown in Begins than TDK. I can't think of a single shot of him in TDK that presented him as a creature of the night like in Begins.
Up until the release of Marvel's The Avengers earlier this month, The Dark Knight was the most financially successful comic book movie all time and still holds the honour of being the most critically acclaimed according to review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes. However, the release of the film in 2008 was marred by tragedy following the shocking death of Heath Ledger several months before it came out. While some fans were hoping another actor would be cast as The Joker or that there would be at least some sort of reference to his fate, Nolan is understandably adamant that there will be no mention of him in the threequel. "We're not addressing The Joker at all. That is something I felt very strongly about in terms of my relationship with Heath and the experience I went through with him on The Dark Knight. I didn't want to in any way try and account for a real-life tragedy. That seemed inappropriate to me. We just have a new set of characters and a continuation of Bruce Wayne's story. Not involving The Joker."
I'm aware, but we're also now seeing night images that are more in line with how he was shown in Begins than TDK. I can't think of a single shot of him in TDK that presented him as a creature of the night like in Begins.
All due respect to Nolan's deep rooted respect to Heath, his tragedy and his family, but Heath signed on the dotted line to portray the Joker, doesn't mean he owns it or that the story should change because he was an irresponsible human being.
If he was still alive, Joker and his Gotham changing actions would've been mentioned in this movie, he might've even been in it.
So to make believe he never existed is actually paying Heath's legacy less respect, not more!
Yeah, lets just ignore the drug addict ever played the Joker.
Maybe if the story'd been different, but taking place 8 years later, with peace times, the effects of Joker's attack on Gotham don't really matter anymore.
Maybe if the story'd been different, but taking place 8 years later, with peace times, the effects of Joker's attack on Gotham don't really matter anymore.
I can agree with this. Especially since Joker's actions were pretty much covered up at the end of TDK by Gordon and Batman. Though I do agree with Jye about Ledger not owning the role, and also think JGL could've pulled off a perfect stand-in. If the dorks on YouTube can do a halfway decent impression, in the hands of a well trained actor who even looks like Heath, it wouldn't have been too difficult.
Maybe if the story'd been different, but taking place 8 years later, with peace times, the effects of Joker's attack on Gotham don't really matter anymore.
He infiltrated a police funeral procession, shot at a cop, hung a dude that slammed the mayor's window, killed other civilians, brought down a police helicopter, threw an ADA out of a high rise, murdered an ADA, murdered a judge, murdered a police chief, burned another DA, stole millions, hijacked a boat with civilians and blew up a police station and a freaking hospital for christ's sake!
I can see Void hurting himself trying to backflip if that's the case. 
