The Expanding Universe

[ChunkyZergling]

Scientific america just posted an article about "moon brick" that will be used to build structures on the moon. So that will happen at some point.

Why would humans want to live on the moon?

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Humans wouldn't necessarily be living on the moon, but having a radio telescope on the moon would be beneficial (more than on earth) and as a base of operations would need to house people and/or equipment. That'll only happen when we can figure out how to get out of earths atmosphere cheaper than what we've been doing previously.

That's only if whoever is there now will let us.

 

[The Skull]

Ummm.

Ok read some more about the subject.

He is a creationist cosmologist and preaches pseudo science. His claims have proven to be false. He and his ideas are dismissed by the legitimate scientific community.

This stuff is not exactly "mind blowing" as you keep repeating.

I'm guessing you did not watch the video, that's okay if you didn't, but to call it "pseudo science" and "proven false" is a gross miss step, nether are true. The data is accurate and fits with reality on the quantum level and is just starting to become accepted in main stream science.

https://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/speed-light-not-so-constant-after-all

https://ktwop.com/2017/05/04/the-speed-of-light-may-have-been-faster/

 

[The Ween]

Long before humanity will begin to touch the universe we need to at least expand out into our solar system.
New article were Hawking states that we've got another century on earth before it all goes to ****, yet again.

Mars or bust.

And he's just guessing. He has no idea what the future holds, just like the rest of us.

 

[ChunkyZergling]

I'm guessing you did not watch the video, that's okay if you didn't, but to call it "pseudo science" and "proven false" is a gross miss step, nether are true. The data is accurate and fits with reality on the quantum level and is just starting to become accepted in main stream science.

https://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/speed-light-not-so-constant-after-all

https://ktwop.com/2017/05/04/the-speed-of-light-may-have-been-faster/

I haven't read much about it. But, I know he saying the earth and universe was made in 6 days? That's wrong. And, I am HIGHLY skeptical of creationist theories and Christian scientists. None of them are accepted by the scientific community.

By the way, I believe Ken Ham suffers from schizotypal personality disorder. Damn him and all his money which allowed him to open that ridiculous museum in Kentucky!

At Binghamton University my marine biology professor and my other macroevolution professor would tell us of how Christian scientists were always trying to sneak, in disguise, into legitimate scientific conferences; once discover, then getting thrown out. The Christian "scientists" would then be able to say they attended such and such meetings with real scientists to attempt to add the illusion of legitimacy to arguments and wacky theories.

 

[The Skull]

I haven't read much about it. But, I know he saying the earth and universe was made in 6 days? That's wrong. And, I am HIGHLY skeptical of creationist theories and Christian scientists. None of them are accepted by the scientific community.

By the way, I believe Ken Ham suffers from schizotypal personality disorder. Damn him and all his money which allowed him to open that ridiculous museum in Kentucky!

At Binghamton University my marine biology professor and my other macroevolution professor would tell us of how Christian scientists were always trying to sneak, in disguise, into legitimate scientific conferences; once discover, then getting thrown out. The Christian "scientists" would then be able to say they attended such and such meetings with real scientists to attempt to add the illusion of legitimacy to arguments and wacky theories.

I'm not debating creation, those 3 articles I posted are current and regular secular science papers, not Christian and 2 of them have barring by confirming on the basis of the principle put forward by Barry Sutterfield's observation that the speed of light is slowing down due to interference in the vacuum, the other has a article has the same conclusion with a different causality.

 

[Pork Chop Express]

And he's just guessing. He has no idea what the future holds, just like the rest of us.

Sure, but the current state of affairs are not without precedent. In an age of atomic weapons with increased populations and limited resources. I'm optimistic and I'm not sayin we're going to be eating soylent green when I'm an old man but somethings gotta change.

 

[Mr. Green]

I'm not debating creation, those 3 articles I posted are current and regular secular science papers, not Christian and 2 of them have barring by confirming on the basis of the principle put forward by Barry Sutterfield's observation that the speed of light is slowing down due to interference in the vacuum, the other has a article has the same conclusion with a different causality.

The first 2 article sounds reasonable enough but it doesn't mention anything about ZPE. Mr. Green did a search on those page and it definitely doesn't contain ZPE. It doesn't claim anything that you claim about dinosaurs and creation. You clearly and falsely use questionable data to your belief.

From the last article you posted: "just opinions","My speculations about time had to resort to magic:", and "Ultimately physics is just magic."? You seriously think people should take this site seriously? It's a joke.

You linked ZPE mumble jumbo crap and linked to the extinction of dinosaurs and creation. And you flip flop your way out. These articles aren't that impressive. Given the right condition and obstacles, of course light won't travel at same speed.

 

[The Skull]

The first 2 article sounds reasonable enough but it doesn't mention anything about ZPE. Mr. Green did a search on those page and it definitely doesn't contain ZPE. It doesn't claim anything that you claim about dinosaurs and creation. You clearly and falsely use questionable data to your belief.

From the last article you posted: "just opinions","My speculations about time had to resort to magic:", and "Ultimately physics is just magic."? You seriously think people should take this site seriously? It's a joke.

You linked ZPE mumble jumbo crap and linked to the extinction of dinosaurs and creation. And you flip flop your way out. These articles aren't that impressive. Given the right condition and obstacles, of course light won't travel at same speed.

The first 2 are inferring the same point I'm speaking about in ZPE, The live science speaks of the electromagnetic force which is what ZPE is in part. The science news article is talking about light slowing down due to running in obstacles in the vacuum of space in controlled lab experiments, that's the same principal, the third article as I stated came the to a similar conclusion with a different causality just like I said, I don't agree with it ether.

I'm not flip flopping but I am being misrepresented here, this is the third time I'm now having to state I did not say the dinosaurs were killed off by ZPE, just that the largest ones couldn't exist in todays current ZPE levels.

I would like to move on now, all I wanted to do is point out is ZPE's role in the expanding universe and its effects, not get into a debate about dinosaurs I do not know what killed them off, weather it was an asteroid or climate change or any other factor

 

[ChunkyZergling]

Humans wouldn't necessarily be living on the moon, but having a radio telescope on the moon would be beneficial (more than on earth) and as a base of operations would need to house people and/or equipment. That'll only happen when we can figure out how to get out of earths atmosphere cheaper than what we've been doing previously.

That's only if whoever is there now will let us.

My bad. Didn't read it carefully enough.

 

[The Ween]

Sure, but the current state of affairs are not without precedent. In an age of atomic weapons with increased populations and limited resources. I'm optimistic and I'm not sayin we're going to be eating soylent green when I'm an old man but somethings gotta change.

Oh something will happen no doubt, but he is saying that humans will be extinct, which I don't think will happen. At least in the next 100 years. As for going elsewhere, in 100 years, we won't be capable of going outside our own solar system, and there's really no planet that will sustain us, even Mars. Unless some aliens come and pluck some of us off the planet and locate us elsewhere.

I won't be here anyway.

 

[ChunkyZergling]

The second thing ZPE effects is time, if you take one of the main principals for the atomic clock it isn't Third thing effected by ZPE is life itself, what we have in our body's is a network of electrical nerve systems that transmit signals through our body's, so ZPE having increased over time the slower our signals move, on small creatures such as ourselves it makes little difference but on larger scale creatures it can be profound, if you take the largest dinosaur that existed it would take it about 40 seconds in todays ZPE to get a signal from its tail to its head and another 40 seconds to react, meaning that creature could not function on the planet today with current ZPE levels, we know their have been thousands of large dinosaurs and giant insects in the earths past from the fossil record, this just may be one reason in many why they no longer exist.

What about whales? The blue whale is the largest creature that has lived, ever. Bigger the biggest dinosaur.

 

[devilof76]

Living in water doesn't count because the gravity is wet and ZPE short circuits.

 

[Snake Plissken]

https://www.cnet.com/news/nasa-cassini-saturn-last-final-image/

See Cassini's last image before it died at Saturn

 

[NASEDO]

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Woulda been great if the final image was of some unidentified artificial structure.

 

[Pork Chop Express]

Like a 64' Chevy Malibu.

 

[Snake Plissken]

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Woulda been great if the final image was of some unidentified artificial structure.

They'd never show that

 

[Snake Plissken]

Never heard of this guy, but his bat **** ideas were captivating