The Expendables 2 - August 17, 2012

[MaulFan]

I hope expanding the audience will further support got movies like this to be done more and more and give us the 80s over again, at least for movies.

 

[MaulFan]

I'll never understand how it takes you 9 paragraphs to repeat what I say in like 1-2 sentences.

You like to just tell people shut the ____ up, I prefer to tell them shut the ____ up and why

 

[Biojex]

Rated R as Nam pointed out is about swearing and gratuitous violence as well as anything beyond a butt nudity. I don't think it'll really affect the movie too much and it opens up the market for young boys to see it legitimately. What appealed to us about 80s movies in terms of ____ blowing up still appeals to them and I'm sure they want that segment of the market.

I hope expanding the audience will further support got movies like this to be done more and more and give us the 80s over again, at least for movies.

That all goes without saying

As long as those same kids don't run around saying it sucked because there wasn't enough gratutitous violence.

That'll mean war!

 

[The Mike]

I teach middle school kids, 8th Grade aged between 13-15 with most kids hitting at right about 14, the target demo for PG-13 movies. They think Transformers was the most awesome ____ in the entire worlds because of the explosions, the fighting and grand scope of it. The Expendables doesn't have robots obviously but plays right into that wheelhouse.

We have to remember that the MPAA is a little different, hell you saw full frontal nudity in Sixteen Candles rated PG (and still rated PG BTW) whereas now in PG movies good luck getting away with a bit of sideboob without people losing their ____. I would argue a lot of what we saw in most R movies that weren't straight gunning for the T&A and gore, is about what they get at PG-13 now anyway.

 

[Biojex]

I teach middle school kids, 8th Grade aged between 13-15 with most kids hitting at right about 14, the target demo for PG-13 movies. They think Transformers was the most awesome ____ in the entire worlds because of the explosions, the fighting and grand scope of it. The Expendables doesn't have robots obviously but plays right into that wheelhouse.

We have to remember that the MPAA is a little different, hell you saw full frontal nudity in Sixteen Candles rated PG (and still rated PG BTW) whereas now in PG movies good luck getting away with a bit of sideboob without people losing their ____. I would argue a lot of what we saw in most R movies that weren't straight gunning for the T&A and gore, is about what they get at PG-13 now anyway.

Add to that list, Jaws. Rated PG...crazy what they got away with.

 

[Rackemup]

Add to that list, Jaws. Rated PG...crazy what they got away with.

Jaws wasn't that bad, just some shark swimming & having dinners using a lot of ketchup on his meals. That's all.

 

[thenammagazine]

Jaws wasn't that bad, just some shark swimming & having dinners using a lot of ketchup on his meals. That's all.

Because the gallons of blood when Quint gets bit in half and the geyser of it at the end when Bruce gets blown up are make believe.

 

[Rackemup]

Because the gallons of blood when Quint gets bit in half and the geyser of it at the end when Bruce gets blown up are make believe.

just a lunch engagement

 

[MaulFan]

I still don't get why Rambo was almost NC-17, sure it is brutal but it's just an honest depiction of war and the oppression in Burma, there are far worse visuals in other movies and not to serve any educational purpose.

 

[thenammagazine]

I still don't get why Rambo was almost NC-17, sure it is brutal but it's just an honest depiction of war and the oppression in Burma, there are far worse visuals in other movies and not to serve any educational purpose.

Really? In this world where everybody blames society for their failed attempts at parenting?

 

[MaulFan]

Really? In this world where everybody blames society for their failed attempts at parenting?

I dunno, just seems like in a world where Saw movies are just R, te Rambo violence was no worse to warrant a worse rating, and at least it also serves to make people aware of the ugliness of combat and tragedies around the world where something like Saw is just to entertain.

 

[quiggle]

well it really angers me is that the plot says


one of their own is brutally murdered by rival mercenary Jean Vilain



now how you going to show this in PG-13 setting?

 

[thenammagazine]

I dunno, just seems like in a world where Saw movies are just R, te Rambo violence was no worse to warrant a worse rating, and at least it also serves to make people aware of the ugliness of combat and tragedies around the world where something like Saw is just to entertain.

It's depiction of reality that people can't deal with. Even though something like Hostel can happen in the real world, it's still based somewhat in fantasy (albeit a perverse one). You should read the MPAA's guidelines on blood.

 

[MaulFan]

Because a good filmmaker can make such a moment highly impact full without showing you the act. Sometimes it's nice to see things but the masters can get the audience with implication, like the opening of Jaws, you don't see the shark or just what happens to te girl but it's shocking and frightening anyway, arguably even more so because you're left to imagine and may think up things more scary than what could have been on screen.

 

[thenammagazine]

Because a good filmmaker can make such a moment highly impact full without showing you the act. Sometimes it's nice to see things but the masters can get the audience with implication, like the opening of Jaws, you don't see the shark or just what happens to te girl but it's shocking and frightening anyway, arguably even more so because you're left to imagine and may think up things more scary than what could have been on screen.

That's something Stallone's entirely capable of. However, it was counterproductive to the statement he wanted to make with RAMBO.

 

[MaulFan]

That's something Stallone's entirely capable of. However, it was counterproductive to the statement he wanted to make with RAMBO.

Stallone as a filmmaker and Brian Tyler is very capable of providing music to draw you in. One of my favorite moments in Expendables 1 was Rourke's speech, the way it was shot, his delivery of the lines, the music, all the elements worked great. The director's cut version not as much.

 

[The Mike]

well it really angers me is that the plot says
one of their own is brutally murdered by rival mercenary Jean Vilain now how you going to show this in PG-13 setting?

It's more than doable. Look at The Dark Knight, the pencil through the eye is definitely brutal, it was just cut and shown so that the idea was come across without getting blantant with the depiction. It wouldn't be too hard to mix shadows with screams, with cut scenes and even detailing via dialogue to imply even the most brutal of crimes to the audience without showing a single thing.

 

[Biojex]

Stallone as a filmmaker and Brian Tyler is very capable of providing music to draw you in. One of my favorite moments in Expendables 1 was Rourke's speech, the way it was shot, his delivery of the lines, the music, all the elements worked great. The director's cut version not as much.

That was my favorite scene of the film. I haven't seen the directors cut yet. What did they change?

 

[MaulFan]

That was my favorite scene of the film. I haven't seen the directors cut yet. What did they change?

Most obvious, the extreme closeup at the end with Tool crying, now he just kind of stares in the mirror watching Barney walk away in a wide shot, less emotional to me, which I think is odd because I feel the DC's alternate opening credits makes it seem like tey all he very troubled and emotional pasts and then some of Tool's trauma is diminished.

 

[quiggle]

It's more than doable. Look at The Dark Knight, the pencil through the eye is definitely brutal, it was just cut and shown so that the idea was come across without getting blantant with the depiction. It wouldn't be too hard to mix shadows with screams, with cut scenes and even detailing via dialogue to imply even the most brutal of crimes to the audience without showing a single thing.

well if the trailer of Van Damn holding the toothpick knife is what he uses to kill the member then it doesnt do justice to Gil Hibben to not show it in full glory use, like in the extended cut for the first film i didnt apprecite they changed the scene that they made Sly ramming it into the guards throat much briefer then the theatrical cut. in the end of the day they are lowering the ratings to compete with Batman and Avengers so it disappoints me that they sold out to commericailism instead of making it raw and brutal.