The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[xipotec]

Me neither. Let me tell you from personal experience, the drummer up those ladies, it?s still way easier to do the the same picture with men.


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[JAWS]

I know right. That gif is EXACTLY what I always imagined PT Jedi to look and act like. Only took 21 years for someone to get it right, lol.

Too true.

 

[rushmore223]

I know I'm late to the party, but I absolutely loved this week's episode!

Pure Space Samurai delirium!

Feel like they got everything right in this episode, exactly the way Jedi's should have been portrayed in the PT.

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[Sassafras]

Funny, I feel the exact opposite. Revealing that he'd had formal training for decades actually "fixes" what could have been a pretty problematic aspect of his character, IMO. It's one thing for someone with a super high "M-count" to have visions or super fast reflexes because they "see things before they happen" (TPM Anakin.) Quite another for a completely untrained Force user to lift enormous beasts, Force choke, heal, etc. From the very beginning I felt that he *had* to have some formal training or that F & F just went way too far off the rails with his abilities compared to even the Chosen One himself. Unless they want to say he's yet another illegitimate offspring of the most powerful Sith in the universe.

Now that we know that he was formally trained it does canonically throw out my notion that Force healing was something that was either a lost skill that Rey rediscovered in thousands year old texts or that if it wasn't lost that it was only trained to super high masters. If Grugo learned it while still in Force preschool then it *does* beg the question as to why Obi-Wan didn't heal Qui-Gon, lol. But that issue is on F & F now and not TROS.

Until it's revealed otherwise I'm just going to assume that it is *not* openly taught and that it's a super rare and special skill that only a small number of Jedi can perform. Kind of like how Ezra surprised the much more seasoned Kanan by being able to use the Force to talk to animals.

Without being an uber SW scholar gonna completely disagree. For one thing tho am too lazy to go track it down, remember reading one of the planets has many strong in the Force. Not necessarily Baby's. But whatever planet he is from, and whatever species he is, as long lived as the species is, implies not a lot of reproduction. And a Force sensitive species that can naturally and instinctively manipulate the Force would be better able to protect itself at need.

Second even Yoda says "no different. Only different in your mind". I think Baby is like those human babies who happily swim under water. He exhausts himself because he's at most a toddler, so in certain situations he gives it his all. Unlike someone with training who knows how to fine tune. But he's fearless because he doesn't know not to be.

Or, Ezra Bridger instinctively channeled the Force to save Zeb. Then the next day he couldn't lift a bowl.

I've got no problem at all with Yoda or Baby having near to, equal, or surpassing Anakin in power. Because I am guessing their planet is some obscure Utopia where the species is very rare and happily lives at peace with their land, or something like that. So obscure apparently it never even comes up as the Empire rampages across the galaxy. It's off the grid. So anything about a power level is moot.

Ultimately tho IMO it's just weak, trite writing The idea of a toddler having many teachers is nonsense. Even the most overloaded rich kindergartener is gonna have one main teacher, a teachers assistant, and then teachers for expensive private lessons. Unless the Jedi academy never let the tikes sleep. Heck Baby can't even talk yet and by now - with all that training - he should have been able to use a few words in a common language. He doesn't because he just started getting really chatty this season. Like a growing child.

(But it does of course open the door for lots of rehash, when every Jedi ever conceived starts showing up as ghosts or other. Which is the only reason I can think he needed to be at Coruscant at all. Rehash. VS something more logical like mother and child were travelling and his mother was killed etc. You don't have to work as hard if you rehash.)

Don't get me going on stuff that would have been logical to ask, like where are this child's parents. Who placed him at the temple. Far as I can tell, Filoni fast-forward aged the kid - so all of a sudden he's supposed to sit in the high seat like Aragorn or something and decide his fate. A cookie-snatching baby/toddler (never mind not mentioning the potential of the Dark Side getting wind of an untrained Force Sensitive).

So hafta agree to disagree here. Respect to Filoni for many things but really shocked this is the narrative he churned out, along with that gawd-awful name that sounds like one of Tolkien's orcs (tho there's a whole committee that need blaming for that am sure).

But it was a good slap for me to not feel confident about any book series or film, because u never know when said artists' vision is gonna break an axle.

I suppose it keeps Din D'jarin on the move with Baby but there were better ways to do that than character derailment. Or WTF stuff like "well I'm not gonna help u out 'coz my office boyfriend joined the Dark Side and helped destroy worlds and all, but someone else might come along and train him up. THEN if Baby has a tantrum when you skip off to Mandalore and blows up the Razor Crest, it's OK because after all, I didn't train him! And yeah, I cheated our deal, but fan service - I gotta step aside so we can bring in CGI Luke!"

Anyway possibly I'll have to shift my thinking about this show, if they really are gonna change to the overloaded fan service pizza model vs. the more lean, focused, gritty quality it began with.

 

[Khev]

(But it does of course open the door for lots of rehash, when every Jedi ever conceived starts showing up as ghosts or other. Which is the only reason I can think he needed to be at Coruscant at all. Rehash. VS something more logical like mother and child were travelling and his mother was killed etc. You don't have to work as hard if you rehash.)

I'll take a Star Wars rehash over a Bambi rehash.

 

[Prime Clone]

Oh well, it is done. If Mando is gonna go full crossover, bring on Stan the skywalking man!

 

[Khev]

Respect to Filoni for many things but really shocked this is the narrative he churned out, along with that gawd-awful name that sounds like one of Tolkien's orcs

Azog the Defiler
Grogu the Devourer

Sounds like a pretty fitting title for the little guy to me, lol.

 

[The Buffinator]

For me - the charm of the Child has been the utter innocence combined with apparently being an uber-Force user. So u never knew when he'd use the Force, or even if he fully understood the danger he was in at times. This show to me clumsily torpedoed that - oh, no, no, he had a lot of training; he's just been hiding what he can do all this time. In theory it's like the Child's age/skill set jumped from toddler to teenager with a single clumsy script. Baby has just been STUBBORN about his abilities. Or AFRAID.

Funny, I feel the exact opposite. Revealing that he'd had formal training for decades actually "fixes" what could have been a pretty problematic aspect of his character, IMO. It's one thing for someone with a super high "M-count" to have visions or super fast reflexes because they "see things before they happen" (TPM Anakin.) Quite another for a completely untrained Force user to lift enormous beasts, Force choke, heal, etc. From the very beginning I felt that he *had* to have some formal training or that F & F just went way too far off the rails with his abilities compared to even the Chosen One himself. Unless they want to say he's yet another illegitimate offspring of the most powerful Sith in the universe.

Without being an uber SW scholar gonna completely disagree. I think Baby is like those human babies who happily swim under water. He exhausts himself because he's at most a toddler, so in certain situations he gives it his all. Unlike someone with training who knows how to fine tune. But he's fearless because he doesn't know not to be.

I've got no problem at all with Yoda or Baby having near to, equal, or surpassing Anakin in power. Because I am guessing their planet is some obscure Utopia where the species is very rare and happily lives at peace with their land, or something like that. So obscure apparently it never even comes up as the Empire rampages across the galaxy. It's off the grid. So anything about a power level is moot.

Ultimately tho IMO it's just weak, trite writing The idea of a toddler having many teachers is nonsense. Even the most overloaded rich kindergartener is gonna have one main teacher, a teachers assistant, and then teachers for expensive private lessons. Unless the Jedi academy never let the tikes sleep. Heck Baby can't even talk yet and by now - with all that training - he should have been able to use a few words in a common language. He doesn't because he just started getting really chatty this season. Like a growing child.

I think the answer that would make his being "trained for several years by numerous Jedi masters" NOT contradict his behaving like a naive, innocent toddler may lay in the extraordinary life span of his species. We know that Yoda taught Jedi for 800 years (or was it 900?), but how old was he when he started (& when did he reach "adulthood"?)? It could be his species can wield the Force shortly after birth and begin training as relative toddlers, but due to the glacial pace of their reaching intellectual and emotional maturity their academy training lasts several generations. So while someone like Obi-wan became a full-fledged Jedi after 15 years or so, maybe Grogu was on the 100 year plan.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Without being an uber SW scholar gonna completely disagree. For one thing tho am too lazy to go track it down, remember reading one of the planets has many strong in the Force. Not necessarily Baby's. But whatever planet he is from, and whatever species he is, as long lived as the species is, implies not a lot of reproduction. And a Force sensitive species that can naturally and instinctively manipulate the Force would be better able to protect itself at need.

Second even Yoda says "no different. Only different in your mind". I think Baby is like those human babies who happily swim under water. He exhausts himself because he's at most a toddler, so in certain situations he gives it his all. Unlike someone with training who knows how to fine tune. But he's fearless because he doesn't know not to be.

Or, Ezra Bridger instinctively channeled the Force to save Zeb. Then the next day he couldn't lift a bowl.

I've got no problem at all with Yoda or Baby having near to, equal, or surpassing Anakin in power. Because I am guessing their planet is some obscure Utopia where the species is very rare and happily lives at peace with their land, or something like that. So obscure apparently it never even comes up as the Empire rampages across the galaxy. It's off the grid. So anything about a power level is moot.

Ultimately tho IMO it's just weak, trite writing The idea of a toddler having many teachers is nonsense. Even the most overloaded rich kindergartener is gonna have one main teacher, a teachers assistant, and then teachers for expensive private lessons. Unless the Jedi academy never let the tikes sleep. Heck Baby can't even talk yet and by now - with all that training - he should have been able to use a few words in a common language. He doesn't because he just started getting really chatty this season. Like a growing child.

(But it does of course open the door for lots of rehash, when every Jedi ever conceived starts showing up as ghosts or other. Which is the only reason I can think he needed to be at Coruscant at all. Rehash. VS something more logical like mother and child were travelling and his mother was killed etc. You don't have to work as hard if you rehash.)

Don't get me going on stuff that would have been logical to ask, like where are this child's parents. Who placed him at the temple. Far as I can tell, Filoni fast-forward aged the kid - so all of a sudden he's supposed to sit in the high seat like Aragorn or something and decide his fate. A cookie-snatching baby/toddler (never mind not mentioning the potential of the Dark Side getting wind of an untrained Force Sensitive).

So hafta agree to disagree here. Respect to Filoni for many things but really shocked this is the narrative he churned out, along with that gawd-awful name that sounds like one of Tolkien's orcs (tho there's a whole committee that need blaming for that am sure).

But it was a good slap for me to not feel confident about any book series or film, because u never know when said artists' vision is gonna break an axle.

I suppose it keeps Din D'jarin on the move with Baby but there were better ways to do that than character derailment. Or WTF stuff like "well I'm not gonna help u out 'coz my office boyfriend joined the Dark Side and helped destroy worlds and all, but someone else might come along and train him up. THEN if Baby has a tantrum when you skip off to Mandalore and blows up the Razor Crest, it's OK because after all, I didn't train him! And yeah, I cheated our deal, but fan service - I gotta step aside so we can bring in CGI Luke!"

Anyway possibly I'll have to shift my thinking about this show, if they really are gonna change to the overloaded fan service pizza model vs. the more lean, focused, gritty quality it began with.

What a fantastic post! As a "story first" guy, my hat's off to you for focusing so much on the actual narrative.

I disagree with you on a few points, but where I'm aligned 100% is the section about Ahsoka's decision process on the baby being trained going forward. As I was watching the end of the episode I almost started laughing out loud at how lamely-constructed it seemed to me.

She first gives a perfectly well-reasoned objection to Grogu being trained in the ways of the Jedi - one that resonates with anyone who knows her character history with Anakin and the Jedi Order. That's some great character-journey evolution. Then, "Okay, I guess I can trust myself to do it and avoid the pitfalls that I'm uniquely familiar with." Then...poof! "Nah, if the baby decides he wants to be trained (if he can focus on something other than shiny knobs), I trust whoever out there happens to pick up on his Force-sensitivity should be able to keep the kid from becoming destructive with his super powers." Uhhh...say what!?

I would try to change your mind on some of the other objections you have, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make a dent since your view is well thought out. Thanks for the great read.

I think the answer that would make his being "trained for several years by numerous Jedi masters" NOT contradict his behaving like a naive, innocent toddler may lay in the extraordinary life span of his species. We know that Yoda taught Jedi for 800 years (or was it 900?), but how old was he when he started (& when did he reach "adulthood"?)? It could be his species can wield the Force shortly after birth and begin training as relative toddlers, but due to the glacial pace of their reaching intellectual and emotional maturity their academy training lasts several generations. So while someone like Obi-wan became a full-fledged Jedi after 15 years or so, maybe Grogu was on the 100 year plan.

Or, his naive innocent toddler behavior may be a side effect of trauma and isolation after being hidden away and shutting down his use of the Force. Like stunted (or even reverse) growth.

Or, they might reveal later that he's actually putting on an act of sorts. We've seen someone from his species do something along those lines before.

The issue might get fleshed out at some point.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Oh well, it is done. If Mando is gonna go full crossover, bring on Stan the skywalking man!

Winter jedi/ Bucky Skywalker looks good but they could easily deep fake Hamills face.

 

[The Buffinator]

Or, his naive innocent toddler behavior may be a side effect of trauma and isolation after being hidden away and shutting down his use of the Force. Like stunted (or even reverse) growth.

Or, they might reveal later that he's actually putting on an act of sorts. We've seen someone from his species do something along those lines before.

The issue might get fleshed out at some point.

If Mando finds out he's been played this whole time, I think Grogu will meet the business end of a Beskar staff.

 

[Prime Clone]

Winter jedi/ Bucky Skywalker looks good but they could easily deep fake Hamills face.

True. Though I wouldn't object to McGregor/Ehrenreich syndrome.

 

[JAWS]

Azog the Defiler
Grogu the Devourer

Sounds like a pretty fitting title for the little guy to me, lol.

 

[Khev]

I think the answer that would make his being "trained for several years by numerous Jedi masters" NOT contradict his behaving like a naive, innocent toddler may lay in the extraordinary life span of his species. We know that Yoda taught Jedi for 800 years (or was it 900?), but how old was he when he started (& when did he reach "adulthood"?)? It could be his species can wield the Force shortly after birth and begin training as relative toddlers, but due to the glacial pace of their reaching intellectual and emotional maturity their academy training lasts several generations. So while someone like Obi-wan became a full-fledged Jedi after 15 years or so, maybe Grogu was on the 100 year plan.

Yes that's what I was thinking. He could have gone through several teachers simply due to outlasting their careers, lol.

She first gives a perfectly well-reasoned objection to Grogu being trained in the ways of the Jedi - one that resonates with anyone who knows her character history with Anakin and the Jedi Order. That's some great character-journey evolution. Then, "Okay, I guess I can trust myself to do it and avoid the pitfalls that I'm uniquely familiar with." Then...poof! "Nah, if the baby decides he wants to be trained (if he can focus on something other than shiny knobs), I trust whoever out there happens to pick up on his Force-sensitivity should be able to keep the kid from becoming destructive with his super powers." Uhhh...say what!?

Well she did stick to her guns on not training him. I saw her suggestion to take him to the temple on the mountain as saying "I'm not wise enough to determine his fate. If his training is to continue let that be the decision of the Force or a wiser Jedi than I." No matter what happens as a result of that course of action I'm sure she believes it will be a better end result than whatever the Empire has planned for him.

 

[Khev]

Does anyone know if Ray Fisher has canceled Dave Filoni for changing Rosario's skin color yet?

 

[user 64404]

Oh well, it is done. If Mando is gonna go full crossover, bring on Stan the skywalking man!

This is the way, Hammil still can be luke in the 10year gap before TFA but imagine how great would be going in adventures with Stan's Luke during the 20 year gap from the end of ROTJ.
To the close minded people who wants CGI or Deepfake technology, i suggest this:
A live action tv series with Hammil's Luke remenbering stuff from the past, telling the adventures of Stan's Luke after the ROTJ, this would be easy a 5 seasons series.
Something like Better call Saul

 

[Khev]

This is the way, Hammil still can be luke in the 10year gap before TFA but imagine how great would be going in adventures with Stan's Luke during the 20 year gap from the end of ROTJ.
To the close minded people who wants CGI or Deepfake technology, i suggest this:
A live action tv series with Hammil's Luke remenbering stuff from the past, telling the adventures of Stan's Luke after the ROTJ, this would be easy a 5 seasons series.
Something like Better call Saul

Yes, I always have a much better time accepting a recast if both the younger and older actor appear in the same movie/show. Young and old Forrest in Forrest Gump, young and old Indy in Last Crusade, young and old John Connor in T2, etc.

Having Sebastian Stan fill in for Luke's "middle years" would be like what Martin Freeman did for Ian Holm's Bilbo. It could work but would definitely be best if it was in a manner with old Luke recounting a tale or something like that.

 

[rushmore223]

I just heard David Prowse died


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

This is the way, Hammil still can be luke in the 10year gap before TFA but imagine how great would be going in adventures with Stan's Luke during the 20 year gap from the end of ROTJ.
]To the close minded people who wants CGI or Deepfake technology, i suggest this:
[/B]A live action tv series with Hammil's Luke remenbering stuff from the past, telling the adventures of Stan's Luke after the ROTJ, this would be easy a 5 seasons series.
Something like Better call Saul

Like the adventures of young Indiana Jones?

Luke in his prime would be a nice palate cleanser after the ST.

 

[Prime Clone]

Like the adventures of young Indiana Jones?

My thoughts exactly!