The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[Khev]

Can I take that as your promise that Mace Windu won't be answering Grogu's call on Tython? And that Ezra Bridger didn't resurface before ROTJ?

I'll hold you to it, Khev.

*My* promise? I *wish* I had the power to make such a promise, lol.

I can handle a retcon as long as it is executed well (Vader being Luke's dad.) Since I don't really care about the fate of Mace and/or Ezra up to now there's a good chance I'll accept their appearance if they do a good enough job. Besides it was ROTJ where Yoda said that Luke was going to be the last of the Jedi and pretty much everyone was a dope in that movie. For instance Yoda's own statement "When gone am I the last of the Jedi will you be." Um didn't you just say that Luke won't be a Jedi until he faces Vader again? Now you're saying he'll be a Jedi a few seconds from now? Make up your mind you crazy green frog, lol. No wonder he was clueless about Mace, Ezra, Ahsoka, Grugo and however many others.

 

[ajp4mgs]

*My* promise? I *wish* I had the power to make such a promise, lol.

I can handle a retcon as long as it is executed well (Vader being Luke's dad.) Since I don't really care about the fate of Mace and/or Ezra up to now there's a good chance I'll accept their appearance if they do a good enough job. Besides it was ROTJ where Yoda said that Luke was going to be the last of the Jedi and pretty much everyone was a dope in that movie. For instance Yoda's own statement "When gone am I the last of the Jedi will you be." Um didn't you just say that Luke won't be a Jedi until he faces Vader again? Now you're saying he'll be a Jedi a few seconds from now? Make up your mind you crazy green frog, lol. No wonder he was clueless about Mace, Ezra, Ahsoka, Grugo and however many others.

Hey, not so quick on dissing my guy Yoda. He said "will be." That was his prescience kicking in, knowing that Luke would indeed confront Vader and survive.

As for his lack of awareness (or worse yet, *concern*) for Grogu: I guess I gotta pick an explanation for that. If Snoke and Kylo can feel an "awakening" when Rey taps into the Force for the first time, I'm not a big fan of Yoda being oblivious to one of his own that he (as Grand Master of the Order) approved for Jedi training being alive throughout post-ROTS SW.

Easy enough to come up with something, but damn, why is it so hard to avoid all these connections? It started with George in the PT and just won't stop.

 

[a-dev]

Yeah Yoda didn't say the last of the Force wielders you will be he said the last of the Jedi will you be.

So what he told us was true, from a- you know the rest.

 

[The Buffinator]

So does this mean Luke is no longer the "return" of the Jedi? Ahsoka (and Grogu) were out there all along?

Fixed:



Edit: Oops! Didn't see A-Dev's post!

 

[Khev]

 

[Khev]

Hey, not so quick on dissing my guy Yoda. He said "will be." That was his prescience kicking in, knowing that Luke would indeed confront Vader and survive.

As for his lack of awareness (or worse yet, *concern*) for Grogu: I guess I gotta pick an explanation for that. If Snoke and Kylo can feel an "awakening" when Rey taps into the Force for the first time, I'm not a big fan of Yoda being oblivious to one of his own that he (as Grand Master of the Order) approved for Jedi training being alive throughout post-ROTS SW.

Easy enough to come up with something, but damn, why is it so hard to avoid all these connections? It started with George in the PT and just won't stop.

Well going with the full canon (PT and all) we know that even the most powerful M-Count person alive (Anakin) went undetected by the entire Jedi Council due to how far from the Core Worlds he was. So I'll assume that Kylo sensed Rey's awakening due to the Force Dyad and that Snoke detected it through Kylo. Or if Snoke didn't detect it through Kylo then his ship was closer to Rey's awakening than Coruscant was to Tatooine. I'm fine assuming either.

 

[The Buffinator]

So does this mean Luke is no longer the "return" of the Jedi? Ahsoka (and Grogu) were out there all along?

Another option:

 

[Khev]

Yep that's it right there. Perfect, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Well going with the full canon (PT and all) we know that even the most powerful M-Count person alive (Anakin) went undetected by the entire Jedi Council due to how far from the Core Worlds he was. So I'll assume that Kylo sensed Rey's awakening due to the Force Dyad and that Snoke detected it through Kylo. Or if Snoke didn't detect it through Kylo then his ship was closer to Rey's awakening than Coruscant was to Tatooine. I'm fine assuming either.

But Palpatine sensed Luke. Not sure about proximity. And he couldn't have sensed him via Vader since George retconned it so that Vader learned from Palps. Unless Vader was lying, aaaaaaand now I'm cross-eyed.

Y'know what? Screw it, you're explanation will do.

Of course that does set up Grogu being taken in by Luke (maybe ghost Yoda finally looks out for the kid). And you'd think that if the ST stays canon that Grogu would be doomed to be a victim of Ben Solo's treachery. But wait... A little script nugget thrown into TLJ about "a handful of students" being unaccounted for that night.

Grogu was one of them and SW fans get to have that character live for hundreds of years because of a failsafe put in by, you guessed it: Rian Johnson.

 

[xipotec]

If we're saying he's around 5 then he should be able to talk a bit etc. like a human child, but he's also been in hiding and seemingly mostly alone for 28 years since the end of the clone wars, so that could have stunted his development a bit in that regard.

Yes but a 5 year old that has been kidnapped and lived through a brutal genocide and massive war.

I don?t think it?s hard to imagine the trauma causing a delayed development issue.


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[Khev]

But Palpatine sensed Luke. Not sure about proximity. And he couldn't have sensed him via Vader since George retconned it so that Vader learned from Palps. Unless Vader was lying, aaaaaaand now I'm cross-eyed.

Aha, good point. However the perfect explanation is--whoa is that live-action Ahsoka?? She looks GREAT! *runs away from discussion*

 

[xipotec]

Ahsoka isn't a Jedi during the OT. She may consider herself one again, but she didn't before. Grogu isn't really a Jedi, he's a child that's been in hiding for 28 years.
Ezra was technically a Jedi, but he's been MIA since before A New Hope.

Let's say Luke was the last Jedi willing to take up the fight. Luke was the only one that could turn Vader and cause the "defeat" of Palpatine anyway so it doesn't matter.

See here is the HUGE problem with many SW fans, they take what was said in the first of 3 movies to be everything that needed to be said ......period. Yoda says Luke is that last Jedi.....then that is the ultimate, never to be challenged gospel truth. Let?s not mention that from FILM TO FILM the OT it self contradicted what came before to suit the story...Ben Kenobi, I am looking at you.

To be a sap and use a quote from Lucas himself.....FROM a certain point of view. Yoda isolated himself on a planet , hiding himself from any other force aware people, and only meets Luke via Skype from his dead friend. So from his point of view, Luke was the last Jedi....BUT NO WAIT!!! He contradicts his own statement himself later by saying ?There is another? ......so WTF are we suppose to believe????

We should believe that anything a character says is not the only perspective , and that our beloved hero?s can be and are often WRONG. That what so many ST hater simply could not get past. They know the dialogue by heart and could not allow anything to differ from what they assumed those words ment , they treated it as gospel. To me , the failing of the Jedi was the perfect counter story to the ones we had been led to believe as kids watching the OT. The Jedi were not perfect, the battle was not just black and white, there were grays in between. This is what led SW beyond the Saturday serial GL first envisioned, and I for one am happy it happened.


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[user 64404]

I think Grogu will be the next Chewbacca for the future of star wars, maybe he grows into a teenager in the ST to meet rey after the ROS.
Imagine Grogu and rey(finn and poe) fighting the Yuzang vong

 

[chrisstbh]

I think Grogu will be the next Chewbacca for the future of star wars, maybe he grows into a teenager in the ST to meet rey after the ROS.
Imagine Grogu and rey(finn and poe) fighting the Yuzang vong

Imagine never seeing Rey, Finn or Poe ever again, what a dream.

 

[Sassafras]

We don't know for sure how any of this will shake out. So, perhaps Filoni is using this season for character drops and references that set up spinoff series more so than future Mando plots. Then you might get self-contained Mando back and you can be grooving with it again soon enough. It's possible, I suppose.

Possible. But things started so well - Season 2 starting amazing - I didn't pay attention to Favreau's "multiple story lines GOT" comment. Not past learning probably more about Moff Gideon and Cara, or maybe other coverts.

Not to mention the Russos saying one thing at the start of planning Infinity War, and it ended up with a heck of a different focus. After that - and with SW as well - figure once these directors get an idea in their head they could care less about the original plan. Even if it makes no sense. Not like I forgot Leia giving her brother a big kiss.

Bruce Banner's Ultron line to Tony is stuck in my head "I'm stuck in a loop...this is where it all went wrong." (At least the MCU kept their characterizations straight - well I guess there's the fat Thor thing but at least we knew why Thor might have a meltdown).

Filoni didn't even have enough respect for THIS creation (Mandalorian) to not hijack an entire show into the Ahsoka Tano sequel. There's only 8 episodes anyway. If writers/directors can't take what they are creating seriously, then there's no way I can take it seriously either. Never mind the clunky script and a key character name that sounds like some kind of Eastern European potato soup.

It's not that I won't watch. Just not with the same enthusiasm.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I have zero complaints about the Mandolorian season 2.

Mando show has been since day 1 about re-using past things from star wars. Design, characters, weapons, creatures..ect. It is just putting it into a fun episodic nature.

This is basically Lost in Space, serial westerns or Gilligans Island, but with Star Wars gloss. Fun weekly adventure serial with nods and heavy borrowing from both its source material and similar shows.

There is a very rough overarching theme, but that is mostly irrelevant. It is about Mando meeting past star wars characters and monsters, but interacting with them with a little bit of the character interaction you get with TV over big screen.

That is the Mando creation. Heck, he himself is a copy/paste boba fett. Nothing wrong with it, I accept it for what it is.

 

[Prime Clone]

Another option:

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That's better!

 

[user 64404]

Imagine never seeing Rey, Finn or Poe ever again, what a dream.

They are gonna happen, imagine Grogu just as powerfull as Yoda in the Prequels

 

[Prime Clone]

We should believe that anything a character says is not the only perspective , and that our beloved hero?s can be and are often WRONG.

That's all well and good for the small stuff, but when the stakes are high and the film's very title is Return of the Jedi you kinda hope it's accurate.

 

[Khev]

"Return of a Jedi"