The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[JAWS]

I know right.

Everything about ESB Fett with the original voice just oozed a menacing confidence. It was clear through every interaction that he had with Vader that he knew that he was either too valuable to ever be killed (or even screwed over) by Vader OR he had full confidence that he could *take* Vader!

Lando twice tried to appeal to Vader's sense of honor and failed. Fett just flat out said what are you gonna do to make ME happy and Vader, *ESB Vader*, went out of his way to keep the bounty hunter appeased.

Back when the film first came out my Dad thought Boba Fett might be the "There is another" that Yoda was talking about.. I asked why and he said.. "Did you see the way he stood up to Darth Vader? He's not afraid of him"

Boy he was way off


But that's the kind of impact he had back then when Vader was known as the baddest of the bad

 

[JAWS]

I know us original OT folks will hem and haw about how awesome original ESB Fett was until Ducky ends up in doomcock psychiatric ward but like you have posted a few times already especially during repeat viewings that there is still fun to be had.

I?m just sitting back relaxing and going to enjoy me some Boba Porkins.

Like I said.. OT = True Canon

Everything else is just fun.

 

[jye4ever]

I just know in my heart that original ESB Fett said to Vader:

***** Please

 

[ajp4mgs]

Explaining why he didn't get his armor is a stretch for sure. I mean random Cyclops dudes on the other side of the galaxy knew that Cobb had the armor for crying out loud so I just have to assume that like jye said in his hilarious post above Fett must have just been *really* out of it after coming out of the Sarlacc. In fact I hope that if they explain it at all they go with full on amnesia with his memory/identity only coming back when he sees someone wearing Mandalorian armor speeding by at the end of Season 2 Episode 1.

Even that begs the question as to what his intentions were with reviving what's her name if he *didn't* know who he was or where his armor was so it might just be one of those things best left unexplained.

Great point about the cyclops guy. To me, that alien is the perfect example of how a bounty hunter like Din and Boba would get some of their leads. A network of in-the-know informants who would be too afraid of being killed to hold out information.

Boba Fett, with or without armor, would use Slave I to get him wherever he needs to go to find whatever he's looking for. Otherwise, suggesting the dude was an elite bounty hunter in that galaxy becomes pretty much a laughable assertion. He doesn't just "luck" into his quarries, FFS. And his network of contacts wouldn't have completely dried up in 5 years.

I don't even believe that Fett wouldn't have plenty of gadgets and equipment stored on his ship. I'm not saying he had his ESB gauntlets in there, but still, at least *some* useful devices for his profession. Would Jawas and Tuskens have raided the entire thing? I suppose that's possible. After all, Din left the Crest on Tython with the door wide open. How lucky for Boba.

One thing I *did* really like about this latest episode is that they brought back ESB Fett's almost uncanny foresight. I guess they could just say that Ming Na Wen's character still had a tracking fob locked on to Grogu but I really like that they had Fett locate Mando *before* Gideon and *without* any tracking devices. That to me harkens back to his ESB self where he just did the math as to what Grogu was capable of and where someone looking for answers might take him. I'd love to picture him just staking out the planet from orbit with a powered down Slave I and then lighting up his engines once Mando entered the atmosphere.

If they explain it at all, I bet they'll say that Fett planted a tracking beacon on the Crest while Din was away from it. That wouldn't make sense, but if they go with Boba using intel-gathering for learning enough about Mando's situation to track him to Tython, then that just takes us right back to wtf was he doing all that time while Cobb Vanth was known *on other planets* to have Mandalorian armor right there on Tatooine. A vicious circle.

 

[ajp4mgs]

True.

But IMO it doesn't take into account the mess a Sarlacc gut might have made of you. So, OK, there's the bacta spray/solution. Even then, Boba's face looks messed up. I'd assume the rest of him looks the same - scars, burn scars. So that's time the Jawas find the armor, and trundle away.

So Boba's got the ship, and his skill set, but u have a set of armor at minimum is deep inside a pretty big vehicle, and there's plenty electronic chatter to derail even the most sophisticated scanning. Dunno but maybe event the Jawas have some sort of anti-scanning re the vehicle. Also there's probably more than one clan of Jawas trundling around Tatooine - they are like fleas, or something. Lots of them.

There's more time gone dealing with Fennec. And yeah, Vanth has a reputation, but it's probably pretty local. So Boba's in the area - but unlike Din D'jarin, does he sit down and chat with them? So that leaves hanging around a suspicious small backwater town, maybe. More time gone.
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Since there are not a lot of (any) specific time details - how long did it take a wounded Boba needed to crawl from a pit (he more or less describes himself as one of the wretched, cast aside), heal, and start tracking? - I'm not seeing an issue here.

If anything, *realistically* - this is a guy that survived a Sarlacc and survived a brutal aftermath is incredible - e.g. did he get help? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds more like he crawled to his ship - maybe - and had to treat himself (kind of like Din D'jarin did, but obviously 100X worse). Crawled or stumbled across &^%$ sand, and deserts get freezing at night. For miles. Maybe it took more than one day. Maybe with your own tissues hanging off you from acid burns. Oh, yeah, a lot of minerals have a salt compound. That must have been fun, getting that into open wounds.

Then there's the Empire collapse and everything goes to *&^$, on Tatooine as well. For all we know, Boba had to fight off desert raiders and scavengers, more than once. Tusken Raiders, too.

We also don't know how long Vanth was in the desert (days?). We can assume Vanth cleaned the town out pretty fast, but this town sounds like a blip anyway. So it'd take a while for ANY news of this armored sheriff to filter anywhere. The Mechanic sez "it's there, or at least it used to be". We're not talking a major settlement here. It's some Tatooine backwater.

I just don't see anything ruining Boba's mythology, *realistically*. Unless it's intolerable re the lore (dunno) that this guy 1) could be badly, badly hurt and battle back and 2) that the guy might have some sense of honor, instead of just shooting Din D'jarin and going FU, I got mine.
Especially when by default, the man's had several years, at least, to be alone with his thoughts. NOT hunting bounties. His armor matters, tho, after all that time. Why? Technically speaking, he doesn't need it to survive. But it matters to him, either as a point of honor or because it was his father's.

As Khev pointed out, Din found out about Cobb Vanth's Mandalorian armor from an informer on another planet. Cobb was not just some locally-known entity; he had made enough reputation with his armor for word to get across the galaxy to guys hanging out at underground fights.

You're right in suggesting that the Sarlacc can be used to explain a lot, but I don't think it'll be able to explain everything with logical consistency. We don't know much about what happened to post-ROTJ Fett, but there are things we *do* know.

1.) We know he was able-bodied enough to be out in the middle of nowhere, spot Fennec on the ground, and take her with him to wherever he knew he could get her healed up.

2.) We can safely assume that Fennec's treatment and healing would take more than just mere days.

3.) We know that Boba had a functioning Slave I ship in time to track Mando's exit from Tatooine all the way to (eventually) Tython.

4.) We know Fett had acquired both a long-range weapon and a melee weapon, and still retained plenty of fighting skill.

5.) We know he's willing to go extreme lengths to get his armor back.

So, if they ever give us a backstory, it'll have to negotiate a path that accounts for all these points while explaining what would keep Fett from having taken back what was his. Long recovery; period of amnesia; change in personality; having to do ship repairs . . . whatever. It just needs to make sense. For me, it doesn't make sense from what details I know. Hoping it will; and glad it makes sense to you.

For me, a one-note character isn't very interesting, after a while. U know what they are going to do, EVERY TIME. Instead looks like Boba is gonna be a kind of anti-hero instead of a (apparently) a stone cold sociopath or victim of child abuse who is still getting even. (And can't comment about any book/comic portrayals).

It may not be what long-term Boba fans want, but IMO it's an effective portrayal.

I don't think Fett being a cold, calculated, and ruthless bounty hunter with great awareness, foresight, and skill would make just a "one-note" character. I think it makes for a unique villain in the SW landscape.

Getting a Mandalorian bounty hunter who becomes an anti-hero and goes on a quest to recover an asset from the Empire is what we already have in Din. I would prefer a Boba Fett that has his own unique characterization that is more of a true fearsome badass in an often-kid-friendly universe of stories. Villains with a soft side, or redeemable qualities, is great. But SW has those. Anti-heroes are great. But SW has those. Does SW have the Fett that Khev, jye, JAWS, and I thought of growing up? I don't really see one. A profit-driven badass who just doesn't give a ****. Hire him, pay him, and get out of his way.

Just different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[JAWS]

I just know in my heart that original ESB Fett said to Vader:

***** Please

 

[jye4ever]

I bet when ESB Fett was already in the cloud city dining hall Vader walked up to the door and did this:

 

[Khev]

Getting a Mandalorian bounty hunter who becomes an anti-hero and goes on a quest to recover an asset from the Empire is what we already have in Din. I would prefer a Boba Fett that has his own unique characterization that is more of a true fearsome badass in an often-kid-friendly universe of stories. Villains with a soft side, or redeemable qualities, is great. But SW has those. Anti-heroes are great. But SW has those. Does SW have the Fett that Khev, jye, JAWS, and I thought of growing up? I don't really see one. A profit-driven badass who just doesn't give a ****. Hire him, pay him, and get out of his way.

Exactly. Original ESB Fett had a unique place in the mythos. We don't need more Hans, Landos, or Din Djarins who start out as selfish opportunists before being revealed to have hearts of gold.

I fully admit to being charitable in even considering accepting this new Fett. I mean OT Fett was literally *Jabba level* scum. Look at his reaction to Boushh with the detonator. The official bounty on Chewie was 25,000 but she squeezed another 10 out of Jabba by threatening to openly murder everyone in the room! Was Fett all "what the hell Boushh, stick to the code, somebody could have gotten hurt." No way, he and Jabba were the only ones saying "damn, nice move, I was ready to kill you but let me instead give you a nod of respect!"

 

[Khev]

I bet when ESB Fett was already in the cloud city dining hall Vader walked up to the door and did this:

LOL!

 

[jye4ever]

LOL!

I will never look at that scene the same way again lol

 

[JAWS]

I fully admit to being charitable in even considering accepting this new Fett. I mean OT Fett was literally *Jabba level* scum. Look at his reaction to Boushh with the detonator. The official bounty on Chewie was 25,000 but she squeezed another 10 out of Jabba by threatening to openly murder everyone in the room! Was Fett all "what the hell Boushh, stick to the code, somebody could have gotten hurt." No way, he and Jabba were the only ones saying "damn, nice move, I was ready to kill you but let me instead give you a nod of respect!"

Oh man....

Well thats it.

Mando Fett is not OT Fett.

 

[Khev]

Oh man....

Well thats it.

Mando Fett is not OT Fett.

I know right. There's just no getting around it is there.

 

[Sassafras]

As Khev pointed out, Din found out about Cobb Vanth's Mandalorian armor from an informer on another planet. Cobb was not just some locally-known entity; he had made enough reputation with his armor for word to get across the galaxy to guys hanging out at underground fights.

You're right in suggesting that the Sarlacc can be used to explain a lot, but I don't think it'll be able to explain everything with logical consistency. We don't know much about what happened to post-ROTJ Fett, but there are things we *do* know.

*******

So, if they ever give us a backstory, it'll have to negotiate a path that accounts for all these points while explaining what would keep Fett from having taken back what was his. Long recovery; period of amnesia; change in personality; having to do ship repairs . . . whatever. It just needs to make sense. For me, it doesn't make sense from what details I know. Hoping it will; and glad it makes sense to you.

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I don't think Fett being a cold, calculated, and ruthless bounty hunter with great awareness, foresight, and skill would make just a "one-note" character. I think it makes for a unique villain in the SW landscape.

Getting a Mandalorian bounty hunter who becomes an anti-hero and goes on a quest to recover an asset from the Empire is what we already have in Din. I would prefer a Boba Fett that has his own unique characterization that is more of a true fearsome badass in an often-kid-friendly universe of stories. Villains with a soft side, or redeemable qualities, is great. But SW has those. Anti-heroes are great. But SW has those. Does SW have the Fett that Khev, jye, JAWS, and I thought of growing up? I don't really see one. A profit-driven badass who just doesn't give a ****. Hire him, pay him, and get out of his way.

Just different strokes for different folks, I guess.

But, is it a reputation or just chatter, as if this was a mining community, u make your money trading. In theory, these more hardened types are also traders who might say "there's a Mandalorian as sheriff in Mos Pelgo, u can't cheat someone there". So there's no way of knowing how long everything took - how long it took Din D'jarin to hear the gossip, how long it took Fett to hear it - Fett could have been on the other side of Tatooine - which looks fairly sizeable. I can't think the ONLY thing he did was look for his armor.

(TBH because of the blurry or non-existence timeline details - to me it makes more sense than the IMO annoying fast-forward of Grogu's maturity level, which seems to have, in a single episode, bounced from a toddler to - don't know what. Teen Buddha sitting in yoga position. Just - no. . (U'd think they'd learn from the Rey thing.). The kid still babbles for *&^% sake. Good thing I luv this show. One day I wanna have a talk with F & F)

If Din D'jarin started as an anti-hero - I think that's kind've shifted into a knight's quest - especially with a sort of knighting, so to speak, by Bo-katan. Not that Din D'jarin wouldn't stab someone in the back, at need.

But OK, point taken. U don't REALLY need two anti-heroes/potential buddy cop teamup for this. Boba as you describe him is unique - neither a Thrawn or Grand Inquisitor or Vader; or a villain with a soft spot. Thanx for the careful commentary - I think I get it.

But, dunno what to tell ya. Guess 'coz the Mouse - if they're gonna give Boba screen time, they're not gonna make him unsympathetic. They're gonna make him more "likeable". They didn't have to, and could tell a different story, but here we are.

Ultimately maybe it's also a wimpy dodge of Din D'jarin and Boba getting into it, 'coz that's the road to *&^% among fandom. Wouldn't matter who won; the bickering would commence. This way (so far) there's a clear path to a definite villain that everyone can hate. But this is supposed to be a "roller coaster" so who can say. I didn't think the Crest would get blown up, really.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

some wannabe

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[Sassafras]

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Keeping my HASBRO Crest tho. They can't take S2 #4 from me.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Does SW have the Fett that Khev, jye, JAWS, and I thought of growing up? I don't really see one. A profit-driven badass who just doesn't give a ****. Hire him, pay him, and get out of his way.

Cad Bane.

 

[jye4ever]

Cad Bane.

 

[jye4ever]

Keeping my HASBRO Crest tho. They can't take S2 #4 from me.

Hasbro RC should have come with a photo of a smiling Moff Gideon with his finger on an orbital trigger button that you can hang on wall and see every time you walk by your RC lol

 

[JAWS]

Cad Bane.

First I thought... Oh Yeah Cad Bane

Then I