The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[Khev]

Unless Mando figures prominently in the next movie trilogy that would follow after Rey's adventures.

Then they are crossing streams, which we all know from Egon is a bad thing to do.

Yep, in order for the two realities to have any kind of simultaneous but separate coherence with the general public they couldn't have confusing overlap.

Like how Agents of Shield and Netflix Marvel acknowledged the films but not the other way around.

This kind of thing can only work if the creators/writers and audience are willing to accept major plot holes. This is what I was referring to the other day about the WBW opening up a mess of nonsense.

Like I had said in a previous post, an alternate timeline *already has to exist* because of that WBW episode of Rebels. That was already a given. Ezra became the catalyst for the "Prime" SW timeline that has been playing out on screen, while the timeline where Ahsoka never gets pulled out went unseen by the audience.

Remember, Ezra takes Thrawn out of the picture in the timeline where he saved Ahsoka. That's a huge deal. And she's the one who talked Ezra out of saving Kanan. And that itself is relevant because Kanan's sacrifice led (indirectly *and* directly) to the Thrawn/Ezra hyperspace escape. A timeline without Ahsoka would mean a completely different ending to the Rebels series, including what happens with Kanan and/or Thrawn.

The idea that the butterfly effect could lead to these two timelines *both* happening on screen (where one leads to the ST and one doesn't) means that the OT would play out *differently* in each timeline. What happens (or doesn't happen) to Thrawn pre-OT changes the landscape of the Empire. You can't credibly say that the events of the OT would not have differed regardless of the presence of Ahsoka and Thrawn (and potentially Kanan) for an extended period of time.

If LFL/Disney were to ever go through with something like this, the inevitable plot holes will end up being monumental. There are plenty of SW fans who aren't stupid, and are very capable of deconstructing logic flaws that would end up undermining so much credibility from these stories.

That's why I'd separate the two canons between "movie SW" vs. "movie + TV SW." In other words one canon would just be the self-contained "Skywalker Saga," the end. Rebels wouldn't exist in any fashion, so Ezra and the WBW would be a non-issue. In the Skywalker Saga there is no multiverse whatsoever. Or just the Skywalker Saga + RO/Solo works too. Then you could just throw out all of TCW (it was always goofy having Ahsoka so prominent but somehow not being in the films anyway), throw out all of Rebels as well as The Mandalorian.

People who want Ahsoka, Rebels, and Mandalorian as part of their "canon" can have them but then also have to accept the utter X-Men level cluster****** of continuity plot holes. They get their "ST free" cluster******y SW and we get our much simpler movie only SW. Works for me.

 

[jye4ever]

Groguland will have to keep a ST section for those fans that want to jump multiverses lol

 

[jye4ever]

So I assume that in the no Ahsoka timeline that Mando, Cara, Fennec, Bo and Koska Doggy Dog die on the bridge of that ship and MG gives Grogu to the Sith acolytes to create Palpasnoketine aka Snokeror aka Empersnokeor we will just never know about it lol

Therefore no Fett Gangsta for us saga fans oh and without Fennec sitting at his side not that it matters

No wait but Mando would've never taken Grogu to the rock for him to be captured so where is Grogu during the ST

SW SE will now need Thrawn inserts if you choose to not ignore the cartoons lol

It's also not just goofy that Ahsoka was never mentioned in ROTS I see it as utterly ridiculous that Ahsoka, Maul and Mandalorian Empire battle for Mandalore were also never mentioned but Wookies mattered why...must save the Wookies because well you know young Han will eventually meet up with one lol

But it's ok SWT guy will make something up to make it seem epic lol

 

[a-dev]

I want the Zahn books back. Those or some kind of retelling of them - as long as they erase Ben Solo, the First Order and the horrific, depressing events of the ST.

If I don't get what I want I will have no choice but to downsize my canon-bubble to absolutely nothing post-ROTJ. I'll do it I swear.

 

[jye4ever]

Zahn books yuck that's your nostalgia talking

Even back then I was like stupid lizards no thanks lol

Thrawn was cool sure but then he wasn't

 

[Asta]

I want the Zahn books back. Those or some kind of retelling of them - as long as they erase Ben Solo, the First Order and the horrific, depressing events of the ST.

If I don't get what I want I will have no choice but to downsize my canon-bubble to absolutely nothing post-ROTJ. I'll do it I swear.

The stories from that era were so good, and felt so true to George's universe.

I equate the ST situation with that of the PT. Both trilogies were long awaited, and yet both were the antithesis of what I was hoping for. Neither compared to the feeling of reading the earlier expanded universe novels, in which the characters were still true to their journeys.

However, The Mandalorian has made the ST a little more palatable. I re-watched the three films recently and didn't find them as offensive as before. But pushing the ST off into an alternate reality, and following the old EU would be preferable.

 

[a-dev]

Zahn books yuck that's your nostalgia talking

I haven't read them during this century, I'll grant you that. Still, they weren't TPM were they.

Even back then I was like stupid lizards no thanks lol

What's so stupid about the lizards?

Thrawn was cool sure but then he wasn't

K...?

 

[Bravomite]

Events are proceeding exactly as I have foreseen. Galaxies Edge is to be terraformed into Mando Land. The PT vs ST thread was won decisively by the Prequel Alliance. Kennedy has blundered again trying to follow up Favloni's success on the Mando season two finale with her own special brand of Star Wars... the High Republic landing with with barely any sound at all save the collective eyeroll of the fandom as they very quickly pivot away from it back to everything else. And now the very catalyst of fan disappointment, the Sequel Trilogy is to be jettisoned off into it's own self contained canon never to be referenced again in source material going forward.

Good, goooood.

Even Khev has automatically adjusted his Khev Canon to readily accept this new idea. Soon, very soon, after more cute baby Yoda moments and cool Pew Pew OT references in the alternate (real) canon live action shows he will readily forget all about the ST. Jye will accept this new canon because big tent pole movies will no longer exist and these live action Star Wars shows will replace them in his heart and on his bombad home cinema set up (the fx, visuals and sound design will equal if not surpass the ST with the movie budgets being diverted into the streaming shows). Over time Jaws will come to recognise the power of the new sequel shows, with their slow MCU like build to their final showdown with Thrawn (save the disappointing hulk no-show), these are the real sequels that he was looking for and he will remember a time when he was disgusted by TLJ and disappointed with the direction taken by TFA, cast them aside he will. Only AJP will remain as the defender of the ST, alone on ST island (a most unfindable place), despairing at the many many consuming plot holes that the rabid fanbase whills-fully now hand wave away (where they previously questioned every minute detail of TLJ) whilst purchasing endless Grogu dolls. He will toss his Rey Hot Toys figure over his shoulder and utter the words, 'Star Wars must end'.

And finally after many many years, A-dev will be granted the true terminator sequels that he always wanted, Terminator vs Star Wars (complete with deepfake Linda, Arnie and John Connor) and he will know peace at last.

 

[a-dev]

Events are proceeding exactly as I have foreseen. Galaxies Edge is to be terraformed into Mando Land. The PT vs ST thread was won decisively by the Prequel Alliance. Kennedy has blundered again trying to follow up Favloni's success on the Mando season two finale with her own special brand of Star Wars... the High Republic landing with with barely any sound at all save the collective eyeroll of the fandom as they very quickly pivot away from it back to everything else. And now the very catalyst of fan disappointment, the Sequel Trilogy is to be jettisoned off into it's own self contained canon never to be referenced again in source material going forward.

Good, goooood.

Even Khev has automatically adjusted his Khev Canon to readily accept this new idea. Soon, very soon, after more cute baby Yoda moments and cool Pew Pew OT references in the alternate (real) canon live action shows he will readily forget all about the ST. Jye will accept this new canon because big tent pole movies will no longer exist and these live action Star Wars shows will replace them in his heart and on his bombad home cinema set up (the fx, visuals and sound design will equal if not surpass the ST with the movie budgets being diverted into the streaming shows). Over time Jaws will come to recognise the power of the new sequel shows, with their slow MCU like build to their final showdown with Thrawn (save the disappointing hulk no-show), these are the real sequels that he was looking for and he will remember a time when he was disgusted by TLJ and disappointed with the direction taken by TFA, cast them aside he will. Only AJP will remain as the defender of the ST, alone on ST island (a most unfindable place), despairing at the many many consuming plot holes that the rabid fanbase whills-fully now hand wave away (where they previously questioned every minute detail of TLJ) whilst purchasing endless Grogu dolls. He will toss his Rey Hot Toys figure over his shoulder and utter the words, 'Star Wars must end'.

And finally after many many years, A-dev will be granted the true terminator sequels that he always wanted, Terminator vs Star Wars (complete with deepfake Linda, Arnie and John Connor) and he will know peace at last.

It all seemed so plausible until your last paragraph. I don't know what's in store for Terminator at this point but...probably nothin' good

I've always said that just one more good film would have sufficed - not a new trilogy - just one good film. T-2029. A prequel to T1 and T2 set in the (now not so distant) future. I always felt there would have been some juicy character stuff to cover with John Connor and Kyle Reese and some really exciting events to depict on screen leading neatly and directly into T1 and T2, adding some extra emotional oomph to those films aswell. But God forbid because that wouldn't have played host to an ongoing moneymaking franchise. We must instead undo, reboot and remake over and over.

 

[DiFabio]

This is why it’s so much easier to say that the only canon is Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.

Everything after 1980 is non-canon and “made up”. Fun what-ifs, nothing more.

 

[jye4ever]

This is why it?s so much easier to say that the only canon is Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.

Everything after 1980 is non-canon and ?made up?. Fun what-ifs, nothing more.

DiFabio called the ST FUN!

Take that SWT guy.....and a-dev...

 

[a-dev]

This is why it’s so much easier to say that the only canon is Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.

Everything after 1980 is non-canon and “made up”. Fun what-ifs, nothing more.

I'll do you one better. Why is canon?!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

The proper thing to do is just acknowledge the ST was a mistake, it was bad, and move on. If they do alternate universe that is what they are saying anyway.

But if they want to do alternate reality, whatever I guess. But absolutely no connecting the ST to the OT and calling it "The Skywalker Saga" The ST belongs grouped with High Republic.

 

[xipotec]

Well this is interesting.



I'd never heard that theory and honestly if that's the way they want to go then that would actually be pretty straightforward and simple.

For those who don't click on the video they're basically suggesting that there already are two timelines existing parallel to one another in SW along the lines of what we saw in Endgame due to Ezra going back in time in Rebels to save Ahsoka. And that everything after that moment where Ahsoka was pulled through the World Between Worlds portal is now a new and parallel reality. And in the new reality Ahsoka lives through the OT, encounters Grogu and directs him to Luke which will create a butterfly effect that prevents ST events from happening and Luke going into exile.

And the ST is what happens in the *original* reality where Ahsoka dies.

Honestly if they want to do that in an attempt to please everybody I'd be totally fine with it. Do I personally think it's dumb to have a SW multiverse? Absolutely. But the beauty of this particular scenario is that it's an alternate universe that exists completely within the context of television which makes it very easy for people like me to ignore. Rebels and Mandalorian would just be a new timeline that branches off of the one true film canon (heh heh.) Sure, go ahead, give some fans a completely alternate ST that they can enjoy on the small screen forevermore.

If Mando proves to be in a different universe than the ST then I'll just consider it a lesser side canon and will go back to enjoying the live-action films as their own thing and my preferred and "true" SW universe. Everybody wins. Go for it, why not.

The mental gymnastics people seem to be doing these days to keep their little versions of their preferred reality is really astounding.....

I do not support YouTube?s growing contingent of theory videos at all. But based of your synopsis , (thank you for sparing me the cringe of watching it ) it?s a dumb idea, and really highlights the above paragraph perfectly .

Time for people to accept the story as it is. There will be no alternated preferred reality for them, they have to live in the real world.


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[a-dev]

Time for people to accept the story as it is. There will be no alternated preferred reality for them, they have to live in the real world

You've gone and done it Xipotec. You earned this

 

[xipotec]

You've gone and done it Xipotec. You earned this

Don?t you mean this?
https://youtu.be/WWaLxFIVX1s]


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[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Kennedy's faction is clearly losing. Favreau and Filoni report directly to Bob Iger and Bob Chapek, not her. What an embarrassing, public face saving demotion.

Hamill has gushed on Twitter about Luke on The Mandalorian. He thanked Favreau and Filoni. He did not thank Kennedy. Sides are being chosen.

 

[The Buffinator]

Time for people to accept the story as it is. There will be no alternated preferred reality for them, they have to live in the real world.


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[a-dev]

Don?t you mean this?
https://youtu.be/WWaLxFIVX1s]


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No. No means Picard says No. By no means does it mean Vader says Noooooo.

 

[jye4ever]

Kennedy's faction is clearly losing. Favreau and Filoni report directly to Bob Iger and Bob Chapek, not her. What an embarrassing, public face saving demotion.

Hamill has gushed on Twitter about Luke on The Mandalorian. He thanked Favreau and Filoni. He did not thank Kennedy. Sides are being chosen.

Sir AG hated SW
Ford hated SW

That list can go on forever in cinema and TV on almost any major movie or role so Hamill hating on whatever it is he hated is no indication of quality and a non story

What you think Mr Brady was happy on Brady Bunch lol

Fans can still find enjoyment out of what an actor hated and i've seen that scenario reversed where fans hated what an actor loved.

Hell the director of Alien 3 hated Alien 3 yet it is a loved cult classic!

Go talk to the SWT guy he needs 3 minutes of your time lol