The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ajp4mgs]

Events are proceeding exactly as I have foreseen. Galaxies Edge is to be terraformed into Mando Land. The PT vs ST thread was won decisively by the Prequel Alliance. Kennedy has blundered again trying to follow up Favloni's success on the Mando season two finale with her own special brand of Star Wars... the High Republic landing with with barely any sound at all save the collective eyeroll of the fandom as they very quickly pivot away from it back to everything else. And now the very catalyst of fan disappointment, the Sequel Trilogy is to be jettisoned off into it's own self contained canon never to be referenced again in source material going forward.

Good, goooood.

Even Khev has automatically adjusted his Khev Canon to readily accept this new idea. Soon, very soon, after more cute baby Yoda moments and cool Pew Pew OT references in the alternate (real) canon live action shows he will readily forget all about the ST. Jye will accept this new canon because big tent pole movies will no longer exist and these live action Star Wars shows will replace them in his heart and on his bombad home cinema set up (the fx, visuals and sound design will equal if not surpass the ST with the movie budgets being diverted into the streaming shows). Over time Jaws will come to recognise the power of the new sequel shows, with their slow MCU like build to their final showdown with Thrawn (save the disappointing hulk no-show), these are the real sequels that he was looking for and he will remember a time when he was disgusted by TLJ and disappointed with the direction taken by TFA, cast them aside he will. Only AJP will remain as the defender of the ST, alone on ST island (a most unfindable place), despairing at the many many consuming plot holes that the rabid fanbase whills-fully now hand wave away (where they previously questioned every minute detail of TLJ) whilst purchasing endless Grogu dolls. He will toss his Rey Hot Toys figure over his shoulder and utter the words, 'Star Wars must end'.

And finally after many many years, A-dev will be granted the true terminator sequels that he always wanted, Terminator vs Star Wars (complete with deepfake Linda, Arnie and John Connor) and he will know peace at last.

I'll be on that island because I will have thought that Khev's son would safeguard the future of level-headed SW fandom. But the darkness would've always been there because Khev brought him up with the Filoni animated crap. He grows up believing (wrongly) that **** like WBW time portals are an acceptable thing in SW. He'll turn, become a moderator, and dedicate himself to erasing his father's legacy. "Let the posts die. Delete them if you have to."

But the question remains: Which hate-filled forum dweller will have a granddaughter who shows up on the island as a huge TLJ fan? And after Khev's son remembers his father's legacy, he'll help her take the forum back. It all ends with, "I'm rey . . . rey4mgs."

Sorry Bravomite, but... "this is not going to go the way you think."

It all seemed so plausible until your last paragraph. I don't know what's in store for Terminator at this point but...probably nothin' good

I've always said that just one more good film would have sufficed - not a new trilogy - just one good film. T-2029. A prequel to T1 and T2 set in the (now not so distant) future. I always felt there would have been some juicy character stuff to cover with John Connor and Kyle Reese and some really exciting events to depict on screen leading neatly and directly into T1 and T2, adding some extra emotional oomph to those films aswell. But God forbid because that wouldn't have played host to an ongoing moneymaking franchise. We must instead undo, reboot and remake over and over.

I finally caved and watched Dark Fate for the first time last week. Oof. Linda Hamilton's performance is bittersweet because it showed me that a truly epic sequel was still possible. Dark Fate definitely wasn't it for me, though.

 

[jye4ever]

Another epic vegomite ehhh bravomite post

 

[Khev]

So I assume that in the no Ahsoka timeline that Mando, Cara, Fennec, Bo and Koska Doggy Dog die on the bridge of that ship and MG gives Grogu to the Sith acolytes to create Palpasnoketine aka Snokeror aka Empersnokeor we will just never know about it lol

Therefore no Fett Gangsta for us saga fans oh and without Fennec sitting at his side not that it matters

No wait but Mando would've never taken Grogu to the rock for him to be captured so where is Grogu during the ST

SW SE will now need Thrawn inserts if you choose to not ignore the cartoons lol

It's also not just goofy that Ahsoka was never mentioned in ROTS I see it as utterly ridiculous that Ahsoka, Maul and Mandalorian Empire battle for Mandalore were also never mentioned but Wookies mattered why...must save the Wookies because well you know young Han will eventually meet up with one lol

But it's ok SWT guy will make something up to make it seem epic lol

Whatever happens to Mando and Grogu in the timeline where Ahsoka died will have to be for the SWT's of the world to figure out. None of them exist in the Skywalker Saga canon so it won't matter for us one way or another, lol. "SW multiverse," lol.

What's awesome is that if the multiverse does become a thing (or is already a thing) in the TV shows then the ST will technically always exist (muahaha, lol) but just in a parallel timeline. Whereas there's no multiverse at all in the film saga.

TV gets to be it's own silly thing that doesn't exist according to the films just like it was with AoS and Netflix Marvel.

Sure certain aspects of TCW Season 7 and Mando are "badass" and a thrill to watch (just like DD and Punisher were) but I'll also have no problem whatsoever keeping them at the same arm's length of canon that the films do if they go too far off the rails (and a continuity breaking multiverse would definitely qualify.)

 

[Khev]

Good, goooood.

Even Khev has automatically adjusted his Khev Canon to readily accept this new idea.

I'm actually kind of getting borderline excited about the Skywalker Saga being locked away in its own proper continuity while *everything* going forward can be nu-canon goofiness. I've *never* been on board with the idea of a "never-ending Saga." That just guarantees that there will be a never-ending cycle of crap that taints, ruins, or at best simply dilutes the pre-existing Saga.

I mean I see all these TV announcements and it's fun to get excited about the idea of whatever percentage of that that will actually be good but all it would take is one episode of Brie Larson playing Mara Jade and training Grogu that would just bring the whole thing crumbling down. Or Luke and Mando falling in love and raising Grogu together in the name of "progress." Any of that could *easily* happen and I'd just prefer that the Skywalker Saga be it's own static thing forever untainted going forward.

If you think that SW is already tainted because of the ST and you *need* an alternate timeline hey more power to you and I hope you enjoy the nu-canon that they put out. But mark my words, at *some* point down the line it will most likely bite you in the ass. Things that just go and go and go and go always eventually turn to crap, no matter how good a start you get. So even with the Ahsoka timeline (if that does indeed become a thing) my advice is to still pick yourself an acceptable jumping off point. Of course it will be nothing more than your own head canon if all the crap that follows is solely interconnected with the nu-canon but live by the multiverse, die by the multiverse.

All I know is that I'll be more than content with the existing live-action films and I'll just do my normal thing of enjoying the original canon of the theatrical OT, then also the OT+ST and when I'm charitable, in the mood, or a glutton for punishment including the PT as well, lol. And then whatever **** show that follows on television can just be its own thing forevermore while I enjoy the occasional what-if moments of awesome like fat getaway driver Fett and what have you.

 

[Khev]

I'll be on that island because I will have thought that Khev's son would safeguard the future of level-headed SW fandom. But the darkness would've always been there because Khev brought him up with the Filoni animated crap. He grows up believing (wrongly) that **** like WBW time portals are an acceptable thing in SW. He'll turn, become a moderator, and dedicate himself to erasing his father's legacy. "Let the posts die. Delete them if you have to."

But the question remains: Which hate-filled forum dweller will have a granddaughter who shows up on the island as a huge TLJ fan? And after Khev's son remembers his father's legacy, he'll help her take the forum back. It all ends with, "I'm rey . . . rey4mgs."

Sorry Bravomite, but... "this is not going to go the way you think."

 

[ajp4mgs]

I'm actually kind of getting borderline excited about the Skywalker Saga being locked away in its own proper continuity while *everything* going forward can be nu-canon goofiness. I've *never* been on board with the idea of a "never-ending Saga." That just guarantees that there will be a never-ending cycle of crap that taints, ruins, or at best simply dilutes the pre-existing Saga.

I mean I see all these TV announcements and it's fun to get excited about the idea of whatever percentage of that that will actually be good but all it would take is one episode of Brie Larson playing Mara Jade and training Grogu that would just bring the whole thing crumbling down. Or Luke and Mando falling in love and raising Grogu together in the name of "progress." Any of that could *easily* happen and I'd just prefer that the Skywalker Saga be it's own static thing forever untainted going forward.

If you think that SW is already tainted because of the ST and you *need* an alternate timeline hey more power to you and I hope you enjoy the nu-canon that they put out. But mark my words, at *some* point down the line it will most likely bite you in the ass. Things that just go and go and go and go always eventually turn to crap, no matter how good a start you get. So even with the Ahsoka timeline (if that does indeed become a thing) my advice is to still pick yourself an acceptable jumping off point. Of course it will be nothing more than your own head canon if all the crap that follows is solely interconnected with the nu-canon but live by the multiverse, die by the multiverse.

All I know is that I'll be more than content with the existing live-action films and I'll just do my normal thing of enjoying the original canon of the theatrical OT, then also the OT+ST and when I'm charitable, in the mood, or a glutton for punishment including the PT as well, lol. And then whatever **** show that follows on television can just be its own thing forevermore while I enjoy the occasional what-if moments of awesome like fat getaway driver Fett and what have you.

You're winning me over to the silver lining of this, Khev! I still don't think Filoni is going to willingly turn anything that has already happened on screen into an "alternate timeline." But if (a very unlikely "if," imo) he ever does, then that's all the incentive I'll need to totally cut the cord from crap that I only halfheartedly force myself to accept.

Firstly, out goes TCW with its Mortis gods of Force balance and Yoda's mushroom-hopping adventures in Force Ghost Land. Bye bye Rebels and its WBW time portals. Then, at long last, see ya to the PT and all of the re-contextualizing of OT characters/scenarios.

The singular canon timeline is pretty much the only reason I've made myself accept the stuff that never fit my view of what Star Wars should be. The multiverse would make it way easier for me to dump the garbage. Okay! I'm with you on this now!

 

[Khev]

You're winning me over to the silver lining of this, Khev! I still don't think Filoni is going to willingly turn anything that has already happened on screen into an "alternate timeline." But if (a very unlikely "if," imo) he ever does, then that's all the incentive I'll need to totally cut the cord from crap that I only halfheartedly force myself to accept.

Firstly, out goes TCW with its Mortis gods of Force balance and Yoda's mushroom-hopping adventures in Force Ghost Land. Bye bye Rebels and its WBW time portals. Then, at long last, see ya to the PT and all of the re-contextualizing of OT characters/scenarios.

The singular canon timeline is pretty much the only reason I've made myself accept the stuff that never fit my view of what Star Wars should be. The multiverse would make it way easier for me to dump the garbage. Okay! I'm with you on this now!

I know! What some foolish people don't get is how much crap you and I have been swallowing (PT, Fett's new voice, etc.) solely because of this one unifying canon. The moment Mando diverts and declares itself the sole torch bearer of everything outside of the films that Filoni was involved in (TCW, Rebels, Mando) then that separation inherently subjects the entirety of itself to dismissal. So instead of some people begrudgingly accepting the PT with others begrudgingly accepting the ST while everyone enjoys the common ground of whatever overlaps there will just be a clean division where each group just gets to decide to camp out in their own preferred SW universe. Talk about fracturing the fanbase, lol.

And that's what some of these goofballs don't get. Nothing will be "retconned." The Skywalker Saga will still exist on disc, Disney+, get aired on TNT/TBS and all that forevermore. When Brian Singer spent hundreds of millions of WB's money to retcon Superman III and X-Men 3 were those movies themselves retconned out of existence? Pulled from store shelves, taken out of print, syndication, etc.? Hardly. Same with the Terminator retcons.

All they'll do will be to make SW one big "Choose Your Own Adventure." And if one of those adventure paths permanently ends then I'd absolutely *want* it to be the perfect little grouping of trilogies that we already have. And like you said not only will I then just dismiss the entirety of TCW, Rebels, and Mando but I'd probably go back to extending that to the PT and OT:SE's as well. The whole experience will be very purifying. You think I'm going to cry about having an "official" excuse to cut out all the crap? Hell no, bring it on, lol.

 

[Khev]

And just to add to the subject of dilution, one thing that really struck me about binging the entire Rebels series before immediately watching RO and ANH is how diminished Luke feels at that point. After *79* straight episodes of Ezra going on adventures and learning the ways of the Force after losing his parents and then Jyn Erso losing her parents and going on adventures then when Luke finally shows up it's almost like "here we go, yet another Ezra."

I really loved a lot of what they did in Rebels but that was a prime example of how even too much of a good thing can be counter productive. If the Mando multiverse gives me a definitive excuse to ignore the Filoni canon then the OT and ST will just be that much stronger for it. It was only the PT that actually needed help from TCW and Mando to be more acceptable.

 

[xipotec]

And just to add to the subject of dilution, one thing that really struck me about binging the entire Rebels series before immediately watching RO and ANH is how diminished Luke feels at that point. After *79* straight episodes of Ezra going on adventures and learning the ways of the Force after losing his parents and then Jyn Erso losing her parents and going on adventures then when Luke finally shows up it's almost like "here we go, yet another Ezra."

I really loved a lot of what they did in Rebels but that was a prime example of how even too much of a good thing can be counter productive. If the Mando multiverse gives me a definitive excuse to ignore the Filoni canon then the OT and ST will just be that much stronger for it. It was only the PT that actually needed help from TCW and Mando to be more acceptable.

Strange. I just did the same thing and was struck by how great Kanan and Ezra story is, and how different it is from Luke?s.

Sure they share a similar beginning , but that?s what war does, it orphans people.

The biggest difference in the story is the relationship between Kanan and Ezra versus Luke and any Jedi master he had.....

Kanans demise is actually my favorite Jedi death of the entire SW universe. It?s felt much more weighty than Obi Wan. Ezras reaction is far more believable than Lukes especially since he was mourning someone he only met a few hours before...

But I dont think it?s a contest. It?s a comparison. Luke was much more desperate for a father figure , while Ezra actually fights against the idea of authority and training. Luke was much more susceptible to being controlled, which is why when he finally stands up for himself it is very powerful.

Ezras arc is more about him becoming a team player and honoring the Jedi way.

I just cannot understand the idea that one story somehow de sanctifies another.

This was the common complaint with the entire ST. That somehow is dirties up the OT story? I just do not see it.


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[Khev]

Finished revisiting all of Season 1 and watched the first ep of Season 2 again.

Man that Krayt dragon episode is awesome!

So many contenders for "best" episode of Season 2.

But going back to the Season 1 ep where Grogu force chokes Cara Dune. After Ahsoka's revelation that he was in the temple during Anakin's attack might it be revealed that Grogu knows about Force choking because he witnessed Anakin doing it??

 

[The Buffinator]

Finished revisiting all of Season 1 and watched the first ep of Season 2 again.

Man that Krayt dragon episode is awesome!

So many contenders for "best" episode of Season 2.

But going back to the Season 1 ep where Grogu force chokes Cara Dune. After Ahsoka's revelation that he was in the temple during Anakin's attack might it be revealed that Grogu knows about Force choking because he witnessed Anakin doing it??

I prefer to think he found out about it by pulling a Dr. Strange and sneaking into the Jedi Order Restricted Section and reading the sacred Jedi Texts.

 

[Khev]

Of course. The Restricted Section would have been the perfect place to hide since Anakin wasn't allowed in there.

 

[The Buffinator]

Of course. The Restricted Section would have been the perfect place to hide since Anakin wasn't allowed in there.

I'm imagining Grogu with a puzzled look on his face after reading about Force choking, then hears a commotion, peers around a corner and spies Anakin and the light bulb goes off.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[TheDucky]

Well this is interesting.



I'd never heard that theory and honestly if that's the way they want to go then that would actually be pretty straightforward and simple.

For those who don't click on the video they're basically suggesting that there already are two timelines existing parallel to one another in SW along the lines of what we saw in Endgame due to Ezra going back in time in Rebels to save Ahsoka. And that everything after that moment where Ahsoka was pulled through the World Between Worlds portal is now a new and parallel reality. And in the new reality Ahsoka lives through the OT, encounters Grogu and directs him to Luke which will create a butterfly effect that prevents ST events from happening and Luke going into exile.

And the ST is what happens in the *original* reality where Ahsoka dies.

Honestly if they want to do that in an attempt to please everybody I'd be totally fine with it. Do I personally think it's dumb to have a SW multiverse? Absolutely. But the beauty of this particular scenario is that it's an alternate universe that exists completely within the context of television which makes it very easy for people like me to ignore. Rebels and Mandalorian would just be a new timeline that branches off of the one true film canon (heh heh.) Sure, go ahead, give some fans a completely alternate ST that they can enjoy on the small screen forevermore.

If Mando proves to be in a different universe than the ST then I'll just consider it a lesser side canon and will go back to enjoying the live-action films as their own thing and my preferred and "true" SW universe. Everybody wins. Go for it, why not.

I told y?all the retcon is coming and you guys just laughed and refused to admit it. Now you are changing your tune? Really?

All the **** all y?all said to me and now you guys are in on this?


When are any of y?all gonna give me my credit. I called Luke and this now.


THE RETCON IS COMING

 

[Khev]

RETCON

 

[Sassafras]

I told y?all the retcon is coming and you guys just laughed and refused to admit it. Now you are changing your tune? Really?

All the **** all y?all said to me and now you guys are in on this?


When are any of y?all gonna give me my credit. I called Luke and this now.


THE RETCON IS COMING

Why would a retcon be coming with the blatant not-Snokes in the giant pickle bottles. Then Ahsoka going on about the fallen and then Luke showing up. Sure seems like a direct tie-in to me.

As opposed to fan fiction where u can just make *&^% up.

Plus re Rebels and Clone Wars, far as I know nothing in either one of those shows didn't work with PT/OT. Rebels script especially works with events of PT and OT, if u listen to Sabine, at the end of Rebels.

Then there's the 25-30 year gap between the OT and ST - if what fans seek is more Luke, then that's plenty of time to showcase more Luke.

I'd luv to install the original ST cast, and have the whole thing redone, but ain't gonna happen. And if folks are looking for more Luke and want the rumored show featuring him, unless they have the stones to cast Sebastian Stan; don't think an entire series with an expressionless Luke Skywalker will happen either.

 

[ironwez20]

If it?s multiverse then the ST will exist but in a different timeline. However they will make a new timeline with grogu and new characters and bury the ST timeline. I just think the ST doesn?t sell enough to continue the brand so they won?t outright retcon it but they won?t acknowledge it anymore . Idk we will see

 

[jye4ever]

If you are just soley basing on toy sales then yeah ST will be buried....for now

Because heed my word PT younglings one day the ST will rise out from the ashes as the younglings from that era will crown it king of all SW but unlike the PT resurgence their glorious praises will actually have a leg to stand on as Hamill, Ford and Fisher will bring a level of legitimacy that far surpasses Ian McDiarmid being in the PT and who also was in the ST as well!

 

[xipotec]

If you are just soley basing on toy sales then yeah ST will be buried....for now

Because heed my word PT younglings one day the ST will rise out from the ashes as the younglings from that era will crown it king of all SW but unlike the PT resurgence their glorious praises will actually have a leg to stand on as Hamill, Ford and Fisher will bring a level of legitimacy that far surpasses Ian McDiarmid being in the PT and who also was in the ST as well!

Kids do not play with toys that they have to use there hands.

?You mean you have to use your hands? That?s like a babies toy?


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