The Matrix 4

[matticus]

People are liking this now?

I'm outta this thread.

 

[greygoose]

People are liking this now?

I'm outta this thread.

 

[Khev]

Don't shoot me guys, but overall I liked it too! I don't know, maybe having such low expectations going in helped? Granted, it didn't need half the the flashes back to scenes from the original films and the action could have been better

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(Can NONE of the agents shoot straight? I get that dodging bullets is a thing the heroes can do, but in narrow hallways and train car aisles even a novice is bound to hit someone.),

but nevertheless I liked the conceit of the "new" matrix design as well as

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how the designer convinced Neo that the previous version was a video game he created with three installments & his memories were mental breakdowns.

Also, I loved Jessica Henwick's performance and NPH was outstanding as well. I also liked how Priyanka Chopra's character tied back to the original trilogy. It probably was obvious to others but I haven't watched those films in ages so I was pleasantly surprised.

I actually agree with everything you just said.

And I did like the overall story and felt that it had real brilliance in parts in how it continued (and even *corrected* certain elements of) the previous story.

I remember when Revolutions ended feeling jipped that we didn't actually get a real ending at all. And that the entire trilogy instead seemed to be a setup just to get you to buy a subscription to the Matrix MMORPG. So a part of me really loves that this film embraced that notion (that prior epic events were turned into the video game that I'm sure that the failed MMORPG hoped it would be) but then blew all that up to get back on track and continue the story "properly."

I have no problems with Neo and Trinity being "the Two" instead of just him being the One. This does sync with the previous films IMO because he was never at the height of his powers without her belief or motivation. So this movie leaning into their symbiotic relationship even more didn't bother me. Neo, remember the Dyad, lol.

I too really liked Bugs though I was glad that she wasn't the main hero.

New Smith I just didn't care for at all partly because his destruction did seem pretty final in Revolutions plus the new guy just couldn't hold a candle to Weaving. I kept hoping that he would morph and actual Hugo Weaving would "emerge" and was kind of ticked that that never happened. I mean they brought the real freaking Merivingian and Niobe back, where was Weaving.

Oh and I did also really like how they incorporated the little girl from Revolutions into this. That was another "huh??" aspect of the previous film having the entire trilogy close out with that random girl playing in the park with the Oracle, lol. So I liked that this film followed through on the promise of her character's significance.

 

[Stront]

Gonna check it out this weekend, though I'm wondering if I should revisit the sequels first. I saw them each once, and don't remember much outside of the first movie.

 

[jye4ever]

I actually agree with everything you just said.

And I did like the overall story and felt that it had real brilliance in parts in how it continued (and even *corrected* certain elements of) the previous story.

I remember when Revolutions ended feeling jipped that we didn't actually get a real ending at all. And that the entire trilogy instead seemed to be a setup just to get you to buy a subscription to the Matrix MMORPG. So a part of me really loves that this film embraced that notion (that prior epic events were turned into the video game that I'm sure that the failed MMORPG hoped it would be) but then blew all that up to get back on track and continue the story "properly."

I have no problems with Neo and Trinity being "the Two" instead of just him being the One. This does sync with the previous films IMO because he was never at the height of his powers without her belief or motivation. So this movie leaning into their symbiotic relationship even more didn't bother me. Neo, remember the Dyad, lol.

I too really liked Bugs though I was glad that she wasn't the main hero.

New Smith I just didn't care for at all partly because his destruction did seem pretty final in Revolutions plus the new guy just couldn't hold a candle to Weaving. I kept hoping that he would morph and actual Hugo Weaving would "emerge" and was kind of ticked that that never happened. I mean they brought the real freaking Merivingian and Niobe back, where was Weaving.

Weaving really messed up his career and he’s not even Kevin Spacey

 

[Khev]

Gonna check it out this weekend, though I'm wondering if I should revisit the sequels first. I saw them each once, and don't remember much outside of the first movie.

DEFINITELY rewatch the entire trilogy then. This movie expects you to be familiar with all three prior films. It does shows a *lot* of flashbacks to try and remind people of what came before but you'll still be better off having them fresh in your mind.

I had pretty much become a "only the first film counts" type of guy over the years but when I revisited the entire trilogy last week I found myself surprised at how well the latter two held up.

 

[Khev]

Weaving really messed up his career and he’s not even Kevin Spacey

First IW/EG and now this!

 

[The Buffinator]

New Smith I just didn't care for at all partly because his destruction did seem pretty final in Revolutions plus the new guy just couldn't hold a candle to Weaving. I kept hoping that he would morph and actual Hugo Weaving would "emerge" and was kind of ticked that that never happened. I mean they brought the real freaking Merivingian and Niobe back, where was Weaving.

Yeah, maybe I need to rewatch it but I didn't get how Smith could be in the new Matrix. A new Smith-like virus yes, but not one that had memories of the old Neo. Or

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did he only know him as Thomas Anderson from this version & was aware that he was the fabled Neo and was being hoodwinked by the designer?

As for Weaving, I thought it was a scheduling conflict. They wanted him & he wanted to be in it, but Lana W. didn't want to wait for his play to end its run.

 

[jye4ever]

First IW/EG and now this!

Amazon just announced that Ezra Miller will be playing Elrond!

 

[Stront]

DEFINITELY rewatch the entire trilogy then. This movie expects you to be familiar with all three prior films. It does shows a *lot* of flashbacks to try and remind people of what came before but you'll still be better off having them fresh in your mind.

I had pretty much become a "only the first film counts" type of guy over the years but when I revisited the entire trilogy last week I found myself surprised at how well the latter two held up.

Sweet, will do. The first is still one of my all-time favorites; so many great scenes, but one I REALLY love is the beginning with Trinity fighting the agents/cops and she rolls down the stairs and has to verbally order herself to get up and break the tunnel vision...that's such a realistic moment heh

 

[jye4ever]

I would be more forgiving of the new direction had the action been better.

This movie couldn’t even match action movies from before the original Matrix.

The boretrix.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, maybe I need to rewatch it but I didn't get how Smith could be in the new Matrix. A new Smith-like virus yes, but not one that had memories of the old Neo.

Hmm, that I can accept. Maybe the Analyst knew he needed to incorporate a new "Smith-like" antagonist to occupy Neo's mind and that "Smith" had the same awareness of the events of the previous films just like everyone else due to the video game with the added layer of thinking that he too lived the game like Neo and Trinity when he actually *didn't.* And that when nuSmith became awakened he saw it as further proof that he was who he thought he was...but he actually wasn't. I think I like that.

 

[Khev]

I would be more forgiving of the new direction had the action been better.

This movie couldn’t even match action movies from before the original Matrix.

The boretrix.

All three of the previous films had these epic moments to look forward to every time you rewatched them, even if you didn't care for Parts II and III. The rescue of Morpheus, the freeway chase, attack on Zion, final battle in the rain between Neo and Smith. Sadly this film didn't deliver such a moment.

 

[jye4ever]

The whole concept of the Matrix just doesn’t hold up.

Robots would be able to harness electricity even with a nuclear winter scenario of 24/7 cloud cover they fly as it is.

No need to keep humans pacified just kill them and be done with it unless they want them to suffer as slaves on purpose or they find our minds to be interesting enough to be kept around as a reminder of their creators.

Elon Musk will build the first Sentinel lol

 

[jye4ever]

All three of the previous films had these epic moments to look forward to every time you rewatched them, even if you didn't care for Parts II and III. The rescue of Morpheus, the freeway chase, attack on Zion, final battle in the rain between Neo and Smith. Sadly this film didn't deliver such a moment.

/\BINGO!/\

 

[The Buffinator]

Hmm, that I can accept. Maybe the Analyst knew he needed to incorporate a new "Smith-like" antagonist to occupy Neo's mind and that "Smith" had the same awareness of the events of the previous films just like everyone else due to the video game with the added layer of thinking that he too lived the game like Neo and Trinity when he actually *didn't.* And that when nuSmith became awakened he saw it as further proof that he was who he thought he was...but he actually wasn't. I think I like that.

I think I like that too, and not just because it saves me from feeling the need to rewatch it right away!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I did. I liked it. A lot. It was not what I was expecting. I thought Neo and Trinity were just gonna have cameos like Luke and Han and the main brunt of the movie was gonna be our new blue haired lesbian hero.

But Keanu was in damn near every frame of the movie, and I can't help it...I love Keanu.

I even loved the blue haired lesbian....I kept waiting for her to be the sassy, man hating cliche, but she was really great. I liked the new Smith. I liked NPH being NPH.

When I first saw The Matrix on opening weekend in 1999 (and had my life changed forever like so many of you) my only complaint about it was that it was a kick ass action movie with a love story tacked on.

And I think that's why I liked this so much: it's essentially just a love story with some action tacked on.

Good lord...what's happened to me? I hate everything, you all know that. But I just watched this movie and I was absolutely riveted....all I cared about was Neo and Trinity finding each other again, somehow. This was basically "Eternal Sunshine" with a hell of a lot more guns.

I really liked it. For real. Sure, hipster programmers were detestable, but they were supposed to be detestable.

IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!!!

 

[Khev]

FINALLY the non-action packed continuation of The Notebook that I waited twenty years for.

Glad you liked it, lol.

 

[Matt S]

Is it better than Matrix 3?

 

[Khev]

A couple comparisons to Star Wars, because well, what else am I gonna do, lol.

Watching this film really reminded me of what a bummer it was that George didn't make the ST in the 90's instead of the PT. Keanu and Moss aged *incredibly* well and totally held their own as the main protagonists again. If only we could have had that for SW as well.

And then another thing I noticed was how the tone of the story was reversed between the SW OT/ST and Matrix OT/ST. With the SW OT everyone is celebrating and assumedly about to live happily ever after at the end with the ST coming and giving the main heroes tragic ends while the Matrix OT gave Neo and Trinity tragic ends only to have this film resurrect them so that they could live happily ever after. So be careful what you wish for ST haters, lol.