The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

[CelticPredator]

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I think it is. So there isn't much to worry about. But still, I really hope this doesn't take off.

 

[intothevoid]

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I thought it was gonna be available in 24p. (if it is that's how MOST people are gonna see it)

It will. Not all theaters are going to upgrade their equipment for 48 fps.

Yeah but the film is SHOT in 48fps

Therefore watching it in 24fps means back-converting to 24fps. The key will be making the back conversion as smooth as possible without side-effects or giving it a 'processed' look

 

[Maglor]

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If this movie looks fake, and ugly, then it will distract people from the story, and thus make it a bad film overall. Visuals are important in film. Since it is a visual medium.

Obviously you shouldn't make your film a visual storyless movie, but I digress.

I thought it was gonna be available in 24p. (if it is that's how MOST people are gonna see it)

Exactly. Relatively few will be seeing this at 48fps.


That said, I do want the full director's intent with the 48 frames and 3D at least once. I don't expect to like it though. I already know I don't like 3D. Thereafter, I'll have the option of 2D 24p.


Wonder if there will be a 48fps for home viewing... not sure how that would work.

I think it is. So there isn't much to worry about. But still, I really hope this doesn't take off.

If you mean 48fps, then I agree.

 

[Maglor]

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Yeah but the film is SHOT in 48fps

Therefore watching it in 24fps means back-converting to 24fps. The key will be making the back conversion as smooth as possible without side-effects or giving it a 'processed' look

I can't imagine converting being a problem. 24pfs on a 60htz TV causes problems because of the Telecine that is necessary - showing one frame twice and showing the second 3 times and so on. This creates a herky jerky movement that is not natural. But even that is pretty minor and most people aren't bothered by it as they have seen all film on their TV's this way.

With 48 to 24, they just take out every other frame. Should look as if it were shot in 24p.

 

[intothevoid]

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That makes sense

 

[OSCORP]

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Trailer looks fine to me.


I will see it both ways.

 

[jye4ever]

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One of my 3D plasmas has an option for 48p.

 

[Maglor]

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Is it a Panasonic? I know those have a true 24p setting that runs at 48htz.

My Pioneer runs 24p at 72htz.

 

[Darklord Dave]

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I'm sure they'll test screen the crap out of the film too. If there is a problem I'm sure PJ will filter and do whatever he can to make it work.

It is strange that you would choose a fantasy film, especially one with existing films to compare it to, to try this technology.

I'd hope that we'd have a sci-fi or contemporary movie coming out first in 48p, just so everyone could get used to it.

 

[Maglor]

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Good point. Sci Fi would be easier to stomach.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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Heard about this in the news. Wouldn't 48fps just make the film smoother?

 

[Maglor]

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Smoother like "Days of Our Lives."

 

[jye4ever]

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Is it a Panasonic? I know those have a true 24p setting that runs at 48htz.

My Pioneer runs 24p at 72htz.

Good guess

Good point. Sci Fi would be easier to stomach.

Hobbit 1-2 would've been the last 2 movies I would've picked to test out 48p.

You have to see Speed Racer (and Avatar) at 24p with Smooth Motion turned up to high, Speed Racer alone is considered one of the sharpest eye candy visuals in existence today.

They're gorgeous to look at, but Hobbit isn't Speed Racer now is it.

I get the whole trust PJ angle, I really do, I love the LOTR as much as the next nerd.

But that trust is different than lets say "I trust Nolan".

TDKR is making me nervous because I want the quality to continue from BB/TDK but I trust Nolan due to his story telling and directing abilities.

But Nolan is still embracing film and in an even grander fashion no less so no worries there, if anything the IMAX will bring us in even deeper and closer to the story and characters.

PJ might still be just as good a director as Nolan but he's taking a huge risk and gamble and I bet the investors received a big jolt of nervousness after the mostly negative press.

Believe me, i'm not against cutting edge tech, hell, it pisses me off that the USA is 2-3 generations behind Japan when it comes to HD and that we're just enjoying 1080p now for a few years while Japan is alreay enjoying 4K/2K 3D!

We're slow pokes because of greed.

Anyways, I have a feeling that Hobbit will be a must in 3D/48 to fully enjoy what he's creating.

Maybe in 3D his madness will all make sense vs watching a 2D video looking fantasy movie.

My gut feeling is that this will be the best looking 3D movie ever made, it's going to be so freaking laser sharp it's not even funny.

But for a Tolkien fantasy movie

I trust PJ.....I guess

 

[Sachiel]

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It seems one of the main problems is the lack of motion blur because of the high framerate. The image is too smooth and clear while in motion which actually makes the image look more artificial than real.

Stretch out your arm in front of you and wave your hand back and forth. What do you see? Motion blur.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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Is it that you are as if in the room with them?

I had that feeling a first with HD, it was almost too clear, too real and i felt like it lost that mystique of fantasy.

Some films need that otherworldly look to them.

 

[CelticPredator]

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See, I never get that with HD. Makes the images look crisp, but they still look like a movie.

When you speed up the frame rates, it ceases to look like a film. It then looks like real life. Which isn't what I want. I don't want reality for any film. Unless the film has to be like that. Which LOTR doesn't.

 

[jye4ever]

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See, I never get that with HD. Makes the images look crisp, but they still look like a movie.

When you speed up the frame rates, it ceases to look like a film. It then looks like real life. Which isn't what I want. I don't want reality for any film. Unless the film has to be like that. Which LOTR doesn't.

Well said.

now, lets not get tech confused.

Studios are releasing movies scrubbed so of film texture that it ruins a movie even without adding smooth motion at home on your LCD/LED.

Scrubbing movies clean with DNR is totally different than Smooth Motion (Dejudder).

I remember reading 5 years ago an article with a SONY executive about what their goal was with smooth motion.

Get this, the TV makers and studios felt that people were not impressed with the jump from 480p to 1080p, they were worried about not selling enough.

So they created a technology that made any film, even older movies, to look like you removed the glass from the TV and you were watching a broadway play.

They wanted all film grain gone, they wanted no noise, they wanted all movies to look like Chicken Little CGI.

The only way to do this was with Smooth Motion and also high DNR.

Now they went with 3D as another jump forward to try to impress people and sell more.

Just for ____s and giggles, if you have the capabilities, do yourself a favor and watch all the classic movies with smooth motion turned up high!

I'll admit that it made those movies laser clean and sharp, but at what cost.

It's definately like seeing those movies for the first time though.

The good thing is that you can shut it off and enjoy Raiders the way it was meant to be seen.

 

[Sachiel]

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I ____ing hate the motion smoothing setting on new TVs. My Uncle's TV has it and I didn't know until we were watching The Godfather on one channel. I turned that setting off quick.

 

[jye4ever]

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I ____ing hate the motion smoothing setting on new TVs.

Now remember that Hobbit will be 100% real 48fps.

The TVs "make up" fake frames based off the existing frames.

What that's going to do with the Hobbit I definately don't know although my guess is that it's going to be clear of artifacts and beautiful to look at.

2 things are happening here.

#1. Either PJ/Studio have a trick up their sleeves and all the worrying was for nothing. we're all going to be blown away at the beauty of this new medium and forget about the tech and be absorbed by the story.

#2. They lost their freaking minds and they're really making The Hobbit look like a camcorder video.

I still love Josh just for the record.

 

[CelticPredator]

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