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Do you like the motion interpolation feature on HDTVs?
Do you like the motion interpolation feature on HDTVs?
The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*
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Azog was not invented. He is indeed canon and he was correctly portrayed as killing King Thror. The sequences that followed, however, deviated from Tolkien. It was Dain Ironfoot who killed him, not Thorin. Azog's son Bolg was in the actual Hobbit book and he took part in the battle of Five Armies.
Azog was not invented. He is indeed canon and he was correctly portrayed as killing King Thror. The sequences that followed, however, deviated from Tolkien. It was Dain Ironfoot who killed him, not Thorin. Azog's son Bolg was in the actual Hobbit book and he took part in the battle of Five Armies.
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This movie had moredecapitations, maimings and impalings than FOTR! And some were gorier too.
PJ's definition of a "kid friendly" movie =
Bravo!
When gandalf decapitated that goblin with the delay of the head falling off I was like WTF?! Awesome but yeah I was aware of more gore in this.
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I'm not very tech savvy so I'm not sure what you're asking.
I was ready to hate the HFR going into the movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was. My friends who went with me enjoyed it as well.
I'm not very tech savvy so I'm not sure what you're asking.
I was ready to hate the HFR going into the movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was. My friends who went with me enjoyed it as well.
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Ah, good catch.
So perhaps he should be compared more to Gothmog. It's a name that exists in Tolkien's legendarium, but the role/dialogue is invented.
Regardless, I don't really mind it - though I have a hard time loving it.
Ah, so we can expect to wait until then to see Azog slain.
Ah, good catch.
So perhaps he should be compared more to Gothmog. It's a name that exists in Tolkien's legendarium, but the role/dialogue is invented.
Regardless, I don't really mind it - though I have a hard time loving it.
Ah, so we can expect to wait until then to see Azog slain.
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Do you have an LCD HDTV? If so, what brand. I could point you to the setting I'm talking about.
I'm not very tech savvy so I'm not sure what you're asking.
I was ready to hate the HFR going into the movie, but was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was. My friends who went with me enjoyed it as well.
Do you have an LCD HDTV? If so, what brand. I could point you to the setting I'm talking about.
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Yeah, Gothmog I believe was only mentioned in ROTK like once, and had no dialogue or role otherwise.
I'm really disappointed that Bolg was not used in this film, considering we've seen photos of him and he looks awesome. I'd much rather Bolg had been the villain of the three-film arc than Azog.
Yeah, Gothmog I believe was only mentioned in ROTK like once, and had no dialogue or role otherwise.
I'm really disappointed that Bolg was not used in this film, considering we've seen photos of him and he looks awesome. I'd much rather Bolg had been the villain of the three-film arc than Azog.
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Yep, although, the addition of Azog was unnecessary. They should have stuck with the original story and have Bolg as their enemy.
Vizio, 120Hz, 1080p, LCD.
Yep, although, the addition of Azog was unnecessary. They should have stuck with the original story and have Bolg as their enemy.
Vizio, 120Hz, 1080p, LCD.
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I saw it in 24 fps 3D and spent most of the second half wishing it was 2D.
Loved the movie, though.
I saw it in 24 fps 3D and spent most of the second half wishing it was 2D.
Loved the movie, though.
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Except that no one
And I am aware that the
So was Lurtz, who I directly compared with the finale of The Hobbit: AUJ.
Except that no one
was actually defeated, which, as I already mentioned, was different than all three LOTR films.
And I am aware that the
eagle rescue from the trees was different than the book.
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And Gothmog's race is never mentioned. It just says that he took the place of the Witch King as general after he was slain. Most think he was another of the Nazgul.
Here's an article about motion interpolation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
It says that Vizio's is called: MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)
Look for that in your TV's settings.
It might also be called "Smooth Motion Effect" in your menu.
Put in a movie (it needs to be something shot on film at 24fps - for example LOTR), and turn the setting on and off (you may be able to increase the amount of "smoothness" added too).
Which do you you prefer? On or off?
And Gothmog's race is never mentioned. It just says that he took the place of the Witch King as general after he was slain. Most think he was another of the Nazgul.
Here's an article about motion interpolation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
It says that Vizio's is called: MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)
Look for that in your TV's settings.
It might also be called "Smooth Motion Effect" in your menu.
Put in a movie (it needs to be something shot on film at 24fps - for example LOTR), and turn the setting on and off (you may be able to increase the amount of "smoothness" added too).
Which do you you prefer? On or off?
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Gonna go see the 2D version in a bit.
Then, if I enjoy it enough, I'll go see the 3D HFR version. (which I'm still stunned my little theater has).
Gonna go see the 2D version in a bit.
Then, if I enjoy it enough, I'll go see the 3D HFR version. (which I'm still stunned my little theater has).
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Yeah, that's true. I quite like Saruman's reaction to the council and news, downplaying it and all. If he had been the one to discover it, that scene would be lost.
I just really disliked Radaghast though. Big time. I'm glad he's not in it much.
Yeah, I know. I understood that different tone going in, just like the books. However, LOTR had it's fair share of silly choreographed fights as well, and I didn't like those, especially the nonsense in ROTK.
Deflecting arrows with swords is something that happens in a video game, as is the ridiculousness of climbing up an oliphant and sliding down it's trunk.
I liked that they didn't make Faramir refuse the ring the moment he saw it like he does in the book. They gave him a nice little character arc that I enjoyed. The theatrical version sort of kills his character, but the Extended Edition and Return of the King make up for it. He's definitely, 100% the same Faramir by the time he "shows his quality" and in Return of the King.
"I would not use the Ring. Not if Minas Tirith were falling in ruin and I alone could save her."
It's one of my favorite extended scenes. I was disappointed with the theatrical release not showing Boromir in the boat, they could have at least had that in there.
The extended scene with Osgiliath is a great bridge since the audience is introduced to Faramir in the second film, and Denethor in the third. Boromir was the hero from the first film, and connects the two, Faramir, the hero in the second and third and Denethor, from the third. That interaction between the three is important in my opinion, not only for Faramir, but for Return of the King as well. I liked the fact that Boromir understood what Faramir was going through and, while he respected Denethor, he knew he was wrong.
Yeah, that's true. I quite like Saruman's reaction to the council and news, downplaying it and all. If he had been the one to discover it, that scene would be lost.
I just really disliked Radaghast though. Big time. I'm glad he's not in it much.
Yeah, I know. I understood that different tone going in, just like the books. However, LOTR had it's fair share of silly choreographed fights as well, and I didn't like those, especially the nonsense in ROTK.
Deflecting arrows with swords is something that happens in a video game, as is the ridiculousness of climbing up an oliphant and sliding down it's trunk.
I liked that they didn't make Faramir refuse the ring the moment he saw it like he does in the book. They gave him a nice little character arc that I enjoyed. The theatrical version sort of kills his character, but the Extended Edition and Return of the King make up for it. He's definitely, 100% the same Faramir by the time he "shows his quality" and in Return of the King.
"I would not use the Ring. Not if Minas Tirith were falling in ruin and I alone could save her."
It's one of my favorite extended scenes. I was disappointed with the theatrical release not showing Boromir in the boat, they could have at least had that in there.
The extended scene with Osgiliath is a great bridge since the audience is introduced to Faramir in the second film, and Denethor in the third. Boromir was the hero from the first film, and connects the two, Faramir, the hero in the second and third and Denethor, from the third. That interaction between the three is important in my opinion, not only for Faramir, but for Return of the King as well. I liked the fact that Boromir understood what Faramir was going through and, while he respected Denethor, he knew he was wrong.
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I know Smaug will look awesome know that I've seen his eye, that was a living Dragon's eye very life like.
I know Smaug will look awesome know that I've seen his eye, that was a living Dragon's eye very life like.
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Well there you go.
You probably never turned it off, and are used to it.
Well there you go.
You probably never turned it off, and are used to it.
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As I think about it possibly my favorite film of all time, The Empire Strikes Back, also
So I wonder as I digest it more if I'll love that aspect of this Hobbit more and more.
And *huge* kudos to PJ and Martin Freeman for nailing the scene where
and not only did that scene play out perfectly in the context of this film but it truly enhanced an already great scene and theme in the LOTR.
Hallowed prequel events *can* deliver on-screen and I was thrilled to see it happen.
As I think about it possibly my favorite film of all time, The Empire Strikes Back, also
ended with the heroes merely escaping and not actually defeating any major villains.
And *huge* kudos to PJ and Martin Freeman for nailing the scene where
Bilbo spares Gollum's life. The discussion between Gandalf and Frodo in Moria about those events is practically the heart of the LOTR
Hallowed prequel events *can* deliver on-screen and I was thrilled to see it happen.
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Thanks! I'll take a look at it tomorrow and let you know which I prefer.
I'll find out tomorrow if that's the case.
Thanks! I'll take a look at it tomorrow and let you know which I prefer.
I'll find out tomorrow if that's the case.
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To give people the weekend to see the movie, come Monday, you shouldn't need them anymore and the thread will be marked "with spoilers".
To give people the weekend to see the movie, come Monday, you shouldn't need them anymore and the thread will be marked "with spoilers".
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Ok, i saw The Hobbit on Friday, so here are my thoughts. I'm going to assume that people who don't want to be spoiled are going to stay away from this thread until they've seen it, like i have, so just to warn you this is going to be very spoiler-y!
When i was asked after seeing it what i thought, i said 'meh'. I liked it, i enjoyed it overall, but there were a few things that took me out of the movie but i think i need a second viewing to really get to grips with it.
Let's start at the beginning - i loved old Bilbo's introduction, but i do think he said 'My dear Frodo' quite alot of times! When he spoke you could tell he's in poorer health than his LOTR days, and the use of a double for his 'quick moving' scenes, and his New Zealand scenes, was quite evident. Still good to see him though and i LOVED the portrait he looked at of him as Freeman's Bilbo, that really tied the two together quite well.
The flashback was first class, and we saw alot more of Smaug than i was expecting. Erebor and Dale looked perfect, and the king under the mountain looked INSANELY brilliant.
A big highlight for me was how much of the original text from the book was used. It seemed a bit clunky and old-fashioned at times, but the actors did a good job of delivering them as best they could, and it did give the movie a strong feeling of being a faithful adaptation. Gandalfs meeting with Bilbo was brilliant, as were the scenes of the dwarves in Bag End, and the inclusion of the two songs from the book was good.
I was hoping they would stop off at the Green Dragon before heading off like in the book, but having Bilbo chase them through the forest was ok!
I liked Radagast, but NOT the bunny sled. I know The Hobbit is supposed to be lighter tonally but there were a few things like this that just went a bit far. I liked his journey to Dol Guldur though - was that the Witch-King he was fighting??
I disliked, however, him then being able to track down Gandalf and the dwarves so easily and then being involved in distracting the orcs and wargs off, which brings me to maybe my biggest problem with this film - Azog.
He looked good in the flashback we had told to us by Balin, but was his eventual reveal at Weathertop (GREAT to see it again, but i would rather have had the company walk past with it in the distance than have this made-up scene taking place on it, although i guess it's as good a place as any if you're looking to make camp in that area!) supposed to surprise us? It was fairly obvious he was the one tracking the dwarves, and he was very obviously CG. I'd hoped more of these orcs and goblins had been played by actual actors in prosthetics - that worked so well in LOTR, why not The Hobbit? I know Azog is tall but we had a guy playing the Morgul Lord who was tall aswell!
In the mythology, Azog is dead and it's his son Bolg who eventually fights Thorin at the Battle of Five armies. I think that would have worked better as an avenging-his-father kind of storyline.
Maybe it made sense to include these orcs and wargs tracking the dwarves as that's essentially what happens in the book, just from a distance. Their inclusion in the movie seemed very much like fan fiction and a way to stretch the story out as much as possible.
The trolls - handled perfectly and loved it. And they ended up in the same position as we saw them in FOTR! Woo hoo!!
Rivendell - very good and loved seeing the White Council, but would have preferred Radagast to appear here to show what he had found rather than seemingly travelling for miles and miles very quickly to randomly meet Gandalf in the woods.
I liked the exchanges between Gandalf and Galadriel but thought the film-makers were trying too hard to give the audience a 'message' when Gandalf turned away from Galadriel towards the camera - it was like he was talking to the audience when saying it's the good deeds of every-day folk that keep the darkness at bay.
Also - since when can Galadriel just disappear into thin air when someone looks away from her then back again? Very bizarre and cheesy.
I also think Gandalf should have left when the dwarves did - how the hell else was he able to find them in Goblin town??
The stone giants - i was glad to hear that they would be in the movie, but i didn't know they would be part of the mountain that the party was on!! I guess they needed something dramatic to happen to make them worthy of inclusion, so maybe this is one of those things i'll enjoy more the more i see it.
I loved everything about Goblin town. The action may have gone on for some but i felt it was needed and i loved seeing Gandalf decapitate goblins and his face-off with the Goblin king. I liked that he was hit by the goblin king before hitting back - and i loved the goblin kings line - 'Hmm. That'll do it!'!!
Riddles in the dark - just perfect. Gollum was amazing and i thought the riddle game might be a bit old-fashioned and unrealistic to work on screen but Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis did such a great job to make it believable and exciting. The revealing of the ring was wonderfully done. The whole scene was a big highlight of the movie.
But i still wish Bilbo had lost his jacket buttons by squeezing out of the door after getting past the guards! But it was a good move to see Gandalf et al escaping instead, and then Bilbo's sparing Gollums life was really powerful.
The final scenes stayed quite true to the book, obviously aside from the inclusion of Thorin fighting Azog. I was expecting Thorin to kill him and bring about the end of that particular side-story but i guess this is going to keep going until a final show-down at the battle of Five Armies, where they effectively kill each other. Though i don't see how they can work in Azog tracking them through Mirkwood, but hey, anything's possible with this crazy storyline!
I also think Bilbo 'came out' as a hero a bit too early. Him showing his true worth and Thorin's acceptance of him should have come later, in the second or third movie. In the book Thorin only accepts him on his death bed. Also he isn't supposed to kill anything until he kills a spider in Mirkwood and thus names his sword
The eagle rescue was good, but i guess we can now have a new version of the whole 'why didn't the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom - Why didn't the eagles fly the dwarves over Mirkwood!
Also Erebor seemed TOO close - i thought Mirkwood was supposed to be so vast you can't see from one end to the other? But anyway i would have preferred the film to end with a long shot towards the mountain before fading out like they did in FOTR, rather than Smaug's eye opening, but i can live with that
So overall i enjoyed it, but i don't think it was better than any of the LOTR movies. Watching FOTR, the story progressed further than it did here, but i was never bored, there was always something going on, but watching The Hobbit i did start to get bored, probably with all the warg chases, before it picked up after they left Rivendell. But i think i'll appreciate it more after seeing the other two movies, and when we have all 6 out and able to appreciate together, i'm sure they'll be the finest group of movies i could ever hope to see!
Final note - i didn't notice or experience any problems with the frame rate. I saw it in IMAX and the only problem i had was wearing glasses, i've never got used to them and kept fiddling with them all the way through the film!
Ok, i saw The Hobbit on Friday, so here are my thoughts. I'm going to assume that people who don't want to be spoiled are going to stay away from this thread until they've seen it, like i have, so just to warn you this is going to be very spoiler-y!
When i was asked after seeing it what i thought, i said 'meh'. I liked it, i enjoyed it overall, but there were a few things that took me out of the movie but i think i need a second viewing to really get to grips with it.
Let's start at the beginning - i loved old Bilbo's introduction, but i do think he said 'My dear Frodo' quite alot of times! When he spoke you could tell he's in poorer health than his LOTR days, and the use of a double for his 'quick moving' scenes, and his New Zealand scenes, was quite evident. Still good to see him though and i LOVED the portrait he looked at of him as Freeman's Bilbo, that really tied the two together quite well.
The flashback was first class, and we saw alot more of Smaug than i was expecting. Erebor and Dale looked perfect, and the king under the mountain looked INSANELY brilliant.
A big highlight for me was how much of the original text from the book was used. It seemed a bit clunky and old-fashioned at times, but the actors did a good job of delivering them as best they could, and it did give the movie a strong feeling of being a faithful adaptation. Gandalfs meeting with Bilbo was brilliant, as were the scenes of the dwarves in Bag End, and the inclusion of the two songs from the book was good.
I was hoping they would stop off at the Green Dragon before heading off like in the book, but having Bilbo chase them through the forest was ok!
I liked Radagast, but NOT the bunny sled. I know The Hobbit is supposed to be lighter tonally but there were a few things like this that just went a bit far. I liked his journey to Dol Guldur though - was that the Witch-King he was fighting??
I disliked, however, him then being able to track down Gandalf and the dwarves so easily and then being involved in distracting the orcs and wargs off, which brings me to maybe my biggest problem with this film - Azog.
He looked good in the flashback we had told to us by Balin, but was his eventual reveal at Weathertop (GREAT to see it again, but i would rather have had the company walk past with it in the distance than have this made-up scene taking place on it, although i guess it's as good a place as any if you're looking to make camp in that area!) supposed to surprise us? It was fairly obvious he was the one tracking the dwarves, and he was very obviously CG. I'd hoped more of these orcs and goblins had been played by actual actors in prosthetics - that worked so well in LOTR, why not The Hobbit? I know Azog is tall but we had a guy playing the Morgul Lord who was tall aswell!
In the mythology, Azog is dead and it's his son Bolg who eventually fights Thorin at the Battle of Five armies. I think that would have worked better as an avenging-his-father kind of storyline.
Maybe it made sense to include these orcs and wargs tracking the dwarves as that's essentially what happens in the book, just from a distance. Their inclusion in the movie seemed very much like fan fiction and a way to stretch the story out as much as possible.
The trolls - handled perfectly and loved it. And they ended up in the same position as we saw them in FOTR! Woo hoo!!
Rivendell - very good and loved seeing the White Council, but would have preferred Radagast to appear here to show what he had found rather than seemingly travelling for miles and miles very quickly to randomly meet Gandalf in the woods.
I liked the exchanges between Gandalf and Galadriel but thought the film-makers were trying too hard to give the audience a 'message' when Gandalf turned away from Galadriel towards the camera - it was like he was talking to the audience when saying it's the good deeds of every-day folk that keep the darkness at bay.
Also - since when can Galadriel just disappear into thin air when someone looks away from her then back again? Very bizarre and cheesy.
I also think Gandalf should have left when the dwarves did - how the hell else was he able to find them in Goblin town??
The stone giants - i was glad to hear that they would be in the movie, but i didn't know they would be part of the mountain that the party was on!! I guess they needed something dramatic to happen to make them worthy of inclusion, so maybe this is one of those things i'll enjoy more the more i see it.
I loved everything about Goblin town. The action may have gone on for some but i felt it was needed and i loved seeing Gandalf decapitate goblins and his face-off with the Goblin king. I liked that he was hit by the goblin king before hitting back - and i loved the goblin kings line - 'Hmm. That'll do it!'!!
Riddles in the dark - just perfect. Gollum was amazing and i thought the riddle game might be a bit old-fashioned and unrealistic to work on screen but Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis did such a great job to make it believable and exciting. The revealing of the ring was wonderfully done. The whole scene was a big highlight of the movie.
But i still wish Bilbo had lost his jacket buttons by squeezing out of the door after getting past the guards! But it was a good move to see Gandalf et al escaping instead, and then Bilbo's sparing Gollums life was really powerful.
The final scenes stayed quite true to the book, obviously aside from the inclusion of Thorin fighting Azog. I was expecting Thorin to kill him and bring about the end of that particular side-story but i guess this is going to keep going until a final show-down at the battle of Five Armies, where they effectively kill each other. Though i don't see how they can work in Azog tracking them through Mirkwood, but hey, anything's possible with this crazy storyline!
I also think Bilbo 'came out' as a hero a bit too early. Him showing his true worth and Thorin's acceptance of him should have come later, in the second or third movie. In the book Thorin only accepts him on his death bed. Also he isn't supposed to kill anything until he kills a spider in Mirkwood and thus names his sword
The eagle rescue was good, but i guess we can now have a new version of the whole 'why didn't the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom - Why didn't the eagles fly the dwarves over Mirkwood!
Also Erebor seemed TOO close - i thought Mirkwood was supposed to be so vast you can't see from one end to the other? But anyway i would have preferred the film to end with a long shot towards the mountain before fading out like they did in FOTR, rather than Smaug's eye opening, but i can live with that
So overall i enjoyed it, but i don't think it was better than any of the LOTR movies. Watching FOTR, the story progressed further than it did here, but i was never bored, there was always something going on, but watching The Hobbit i did start to get bored, probably with all the warg chases, before it picked up after they left Rivendell. But i think i'll appreciate it more after seeing the other two movies, and when we have all 6 out and able to appreciate together, i'm sure they'll be the finest group of movies i could ever hope to see!
Final note - i didn't notice or experience any problems with the frame rate. I saw it in IMAX and the only problem i had was wearing glasses, i've never got used to them and kept fiddling with them all the way through the film!
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