The Sperminator

[devilof76]

...if one is concerned with doing what is REALLY beneficial for oneself, it will not harm anyone else.

If that were true, the Serengeti would be a safe place for gazelle to vacation.

 

[Blackthornone]

If that were true, the Serengeti would be a safe place for gazelle to vacation.

The gazelle is a wild animal in it's natural habitat, living a natural life. It does not need a vacation. It experiences the perfect balance of all things throughout it's life at any moment, in harmony with nature. It has the most fulfilling life in the wild in the Serengeti. Human beings live unnatural lives, and as a result, feel frustrated and unnaturally stressed, and thus feel that vacations are enjoyable. When you find your life to be truly fulfilling, you would not want a vacation. A vacation away from a truly fulfilling experience would be the opposite of a vacation. Insofar as vacations are perceived to be periods of time spent in places to get the most energized, and have the most enjoyment, indeed, the Serengeti is the best place for a gazelle to vacation. It is safest for their well being there.

 

[devilof76]

Are there predators there?

 

[Blackthornone]

Are there predators there?

You are missing the point. You seem to be projecting human quality of life standards upon gazelles. In the United States, for example, it is CIVILIZATION, where people are supposed to act CIVILIZED, and in civilization, human beings do not need to worry much about predators, except for other humans, like rapists, drug dealers and scalpers who all exploit other human beings for their own egotistical agendas.

 

[devilof76]

You are missing the point. There a countless things that are beneficial to humans that with inevitably mean harm for someone else. If two men love the same woman, and she only chooses one, how is the one that was not chosen not harmed?

If two people want the same business contract, and only one is chosen, does it benefit the fortunate contractor less?

Self interest is the same for all organisms. A lion gets his meal, and the gazelle loses his life. It benefits the lion no less, and the gazelle no more. The difference between humans and animals is that morality becomes an issue for the human, but you cannot use the benefit of the one and the absence of harm to the other as simultaneous standards of whether the action is wrong or right.

You have to pick one.

 

[jonny88]

l just read an interview Arnold did long time ago.

he said body builders love to party. in a gym in California he was working out, he said that a naked black woman came in and a bunch of the guys took her upstairs where they all got together and gang banged her. he said not all the guys went because they couldn't F in front of other guys, then he said he didn't have that problem.

confessions like this just makes me want to hear more.

 

[The Ween]

Arnold always was a classy guy.

 

[devilof76]

No kidding. I was not aware they could stack ____ that high.

 

[DiFabio]

MOAR lil Ahnulds?

https://xfinity.comcast.net/video/jane-seymour-arnold-has-2-more-kids/1944342471/Comcast/1944208489/

Doesn't surprise me if true.

 

[Spartan Rex]

The newspaper quotes an unnamed woman who claims to be a former mistress of the star as saying that Schwarzenegger often targeted plain or unattractive women because they were “more likely to worship him and his muscular physique.”
“She said he did not like to be upstaged by good-looking women,” the Mail said.



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[LaMelnik]

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-really/1329165/

HA HA HA!!!!

 

[teemu]

Here is an Arnold quote:

"I was born to be a leader. I love the fact that millions of people look up to me."

 

[a-dev]

Sounds majorly full of himself if he said that. But still, he is the Terminator and Conan and detective John Kimble.

Whats more surprising than Arnie being unfaithful though is Ryan Giggs. Ryan Giggs!

"who the ___k is Ryan Giggs??"

 

[Spartan Rex]

Here is an Arnold quote:

"I was born to be a leader. I love the fact that millions of people look up to me."

Most probably look down on him now.

 

[teemu]

Sounds majorly full of himself if he said that. But still, he is the Terminator and Conan and detective John Kimble.

Whats more surprising than Arnie being unfaithful though is Ryan Giggs. Ryan Giggs!

"who the ___k is Ryan Giggs??"

While they were Great roles that he played....sometimes you have to look past the "acting" and see the guy for who he really is!

 

[Voorhees27]

While they were Great roles that he played....sometimes you have to look past the "acting" and see the guy for who he really is!

You could say the same about 90% of the entertainment industry. As long as they continue to entertain me I could care less what they do with their lives. The "famous" tend to be the biggest pigs anyway.

 

[Blackthornone]

You are missing the point. There a countless things that are beneficial to humans that with inevitably mean harm for someone else. If two men love the same woman, and she only chooses one, how is the one that was not chosen not harmed?

If two people want the same business contract, and only one is chosen, does it benefit the fortunate contractor less?





You have to pick one.

By process of elimination, there has to be one person out of everyone else in the world who is best for you, because all people are UNIQUE. Because all people are unique, there is no way that two men could love any woman equally. They could love her approximately the same, but if that were true, then neither one of them should be with her, because she is not best for either one.
Of course, from the woman's point of view, if the two men are so very similar in attractiveness to her, that is another indication that they are BOTH the wrong man for her.
Maybe they are the most attractive men she has met SO FAR, and the woman is the most attractive woman that both men have met SO FAR, but that is far from any of them being the best match for each other.
Of course, there is the possibility that one of the men is a really good liar, especially to himself, and the woman is also cut off from having a good sense of her emotions, in which case the other man could indeed be the right man for her, but that is very rare. Two men cannot be the best choice for any one woman, and two women cannot be the best choice for one man. It is a logical impossibility because all people are unique. If ever you really are attracted to two women equally, they are BOTH wrong for you.

I said "if one is concerned with doing what is REALLY beneficial for oneself" . That means REALLY, ACTUALLY, ABSOLUTELY, in other words, the best. Not second best third best, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, or 30th best that most people settle for as they sell out their ultimate best interests for those that seem easier and more expedient for the sake of short term gratification, but BEST as in first best. REALLY in one's best interests. There was a reason why I capitalized the word before, which was to emphasize the importance of it being in reality, as in what really works, and the better something works, the more it really works.


Now you mention the business contract. Again, it's about best interests. If the person is acting in their best interests, the person will not be involved with a company that pollutes or upsets the ecology to the extent that it reduces the quality of the natural environment, which is the human life support system. If a person is truly acting in their best interests, they will not be in a business that has such a finite amount of opportunities, or rather, a reduction in business, the more business that they do, like old growth forest logging, without replanting trees, then the loggers complain about not being able to cut more because of the spotted owl, but the reality is that the owl is just a symptom of the fact that THEY already cut down too much already. Had they planted trees as they cut, they would not have that problem.

Doing what is in your best interests starts at the BEGINNING, otherwise, you cannot do it, because if you compromise at any point for the sake of some business or goal and are then in that position of having to defend it, you are already not doing what is REALLY beneficial for yourself. There are many businesses that are wrong, and by simply being in them, one is not doing what is in their best interests, or perhaps they got into a business that was already completely saturated with enough other companies that do they kind of business one wants to do, and so to get into that business in the first place is not really in one's best interests. You need to see the big picture in order to do what is in your best interests. I do not believe that competition is really in people's best interests, to make it more clear. I think that a creative orientation which is perfectly aligned with harmony is. That is what it really is to be human, because that is what human beings are capable of, and anything less, is less than human.

This last part you wrote: "Self interest is the same for all organisms. A lion gets his meal, and the gazelle loses his life. It benefits the lion no less, and the gazelle no more. The difference between humans and animals is that morality becomes an issue for the human, but you cannot use the benefit of the one and the absence of harm to the other as simultaneous standards of whether the action is wrong or right. "
That is a perfect argument to defend all criminal behavior. Rapist vs victim, thief vs victim,or any time anyone gets some sort of benefit from taking advantage of another. One does not need to take advantage of other people in order to feel really fulfilled. This is civilization, which was made so people could develop art and science and knowledge without having to be concerned about dealing with aggressive vicious animals all of the time, NOT so people could use it as an opportunity to better take advantage of their fellow man or have boxing or UFC to appease people's regressive kind of animalistic instincts or tastes.

 

[Blackthornone]

Arnold always was a classy guy.

This link sums it up.

https://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm

This is a choice excerpt.:

"Arnold is a serial misogynist and has a history of sexually harassing women. The LA Times has published multiple stories of different women that Arnold has harassed. In one case, whilst on the set of Terminator 2 he approached a female crew member out of the blue, put his hands into her blouse and pulled her breasts out of her bra. An observer said: "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This woman's nipples were exposed, and here's Arnold and a few of his clones laughing." The woman in question broke into tears and fled to a nearby trailer. See 'Arnold the Barbarian", an article by Premiere Magazine in March 2001, for more revelations, should you be able to stomach it.

In Nov. 2000, he pulled British TV commentator Anna Richardson onto his lap after an interview, grabbed her breast, and squeezed her nipple -- all without any kind of permission. She stood up and told him "You' re making me nervous." But Arnold told her to relax and pulled her back on his knee. Finally, he let her up, patting her behind as she went off. Richardson has since has filed a libel action . "

 

[mr.thrifty]

So what you're trying to say in all your huff and puff is that Arnold was an unashamed womanizer??


You and one's like you make me ...... trying to sound sooo "smart"

 

[devilof76]

Pursuing one's self-interest is not coextensive with taking advantage of your fellow man.

The fact is that regardless of how one of competition's losers may be able to find solutions to their loss in the future, at the time that they fail, they generally will face a certain amount of pain and suffering in the immediate aftermath of their plans not coming to fruition. The point is that their loss does not detract one bit from the benefits enjoyed by the winner. Their self-interest is not corrupted in any way shape or form by the loss of their competitor. It does not become any less 'truly' in their interest. The welfare of those with whom one competes is none of their business, unless they can find some kind of advantage in the competitor achieving what they desire.

Non-human animals do live by standards that would be considered criminal by human moral standards. That does not make it any less in their interest. It means that it would not be in the human's interest, but not because the competitor will suffer harm. If a man lives like a predator, he opens his life to predation in turn. It is in each human's self-interest to not be a predator, but the benefit to the welfare of others is incidental, and not fundamental to the moral quality of that orientation.

You and one's like you make me ...... trying to sound sooo "smart"

Trying to sound so morally superior was the impression I got.