The Third of a Trilogy

[Crix]

I still would have liked to have anakin pull his lightsaber against the little kids....then the camera slowly backing away from him, then the door closing, then you hear the sounds of kids screaming/lightsaber swinging....I know that's cold, but would have made that evil seen MUCH more emotional

Yes, that would have definitely been more emotional. But the thing is it's not George Lucas' style. He doesn't want things dark (he fought a lot with the guys who were making TESB because he didn't want it so dark). That's also why he didn't want to kill off Han Solo in ROTJ, and why ROTS was a lot tamer than it could have been.

I thought of another strong 3rd movie in a trilogy: The Good The Bad, and The Ugly!

 

[Bannister]

Like I said, it was handled tastlefully. It's not like Anakin raised his lighsaber, screamed and brought it down and we hear a child cry out and then they cut.

And he couldn't just skip the scene completely. It would have totally taken away from the evil that Anakin had become. Just having Obi-Wan watching a hologram that he can see and we can't and go "Oh my...Anakin killed younglings...trust me, I'm seeing it with my own eyes...even though you can't see it...it's happening." I'll take the way the ended up doing it.

But yeah, ROTS is another to add to the list of "The Third One Was The Best." I don't think there's a lot of people who'd say TPM or AOTC were better.

I actually don't mind the scene being there, I just don't think it is exactly kid friendly. Neither is Anakin getting his ass barbecued.

 

[Protozaius]

Yes, that would have definitely been more emotional. But the thing is it's not George Lucas' style. He doesn't want things dark (he fought a lot with the guys who were making TESB because he didn't want it so dark). That's also why he didn't want to kill off Han Solo in ROTJ, and why ROTS was a lot tamer than it could have been.

I thought of another strong 3rd movie in a trilogy: The Good The Bad, and The Ugly!

Personally, I think Lucas went too far with that scene. Why did we need to see what happenend to the younglings anyway? And why did it have to be Anakin who does it? Couldn't the Clone Troopers do it?

It's one thing to pull out your lightsaber on an armed Jedi and cutting him down, it quite another to slaughter unarmed children. I understand that thematically, that scene is suppose to mirror Anakin's act of cutting down the Tusken raider women and children in AOTC but still... I have a hard time believing that the newly minted Sith Lord would be capable of doing that act at that time. That is an incredibly dark moment for the saga.

Maybe later when he is farther down the dark side I can see it... maybe... in full Vader armour.

 

[Bannister]

Personally, I think Lucas went too far with that scene. Why did we need to see what happenend to the younglings anyway? And why did it have to be Anakin who does it? Couldn't the Clone Troopers do it?

It's one thing to pull out your lightsaber on an armed Jedi and cutting him down, it quite another to slaughter unarmed children. I understand that thematically, that scene is suppose to mirror Anakin's act of cutting down the Tusken raider women and children in AOTC but still... I have a hard time believing that the newly minted Sith Lord would be capable of doing that act at that time. That is an incredibly dark moment for the saga.

Maybe later when he is farther down the dark side I can see it... maybe... in full Vader armour.

That was one of my gripes with ROTS. Anakin goes from, "What have I done?" when cutting off Windu's hand to full on child killer in a few minutes.

 

[wookilar8]

One strange trilogy is Evil Dead. Part 3 Army Of Darkness has a totally different style than Parts 1 & 2. I prefer the first two better than the third one but you can see the bigger budget in the third one.

 

[Bannister]

One strange trilogy is Evil Dead. Part 3 Army Of Darkness has a totally different style than Parts 1 & 2. I prefer the first two better than the third one but you can see the bigger budget in the third one.

They get progressively lighter in tone.

 

[gdb]

I was going through a couple trilogies recently, Blade, Indy, X-Men, Spider-Man, and the common theme seems to be a really good origin story, a good (or great) second installment, and then a meh third movie. Not saying that the third movie is terrible, but it just doesn't live up to the standards set by the first movie. Is it even possible by the third movie to not come off, in part, as a bit of a rehash? Other than Indy and Star Wars, I can't think of too many trilogies that had as good a third movie as the first. Thoughts?

Oftentimes the first movie is full of compromises due to budget or by dumbing down the subject matter to appeal to a larger audience. Once it's successful enough and a sequel is greenlit, then the filmmakers are given the power to make a movie that's more honest to their original intentions. Then when it's time to make a thrid... well, once you've made the second film the best you can make it, where do you go from there? That's the trick. In the case of Spider-man 3, the director was given waaaaaaaaaay too much control and the movie suffered from his indulgences.

I still would have liked to have anakin pull his lightsaber against the little kids....then the camera slowly backing away from him, then the door closing, then you hear the sounds of kids screaming/lightsaber swinging....I know that's cold, but would have made that evil seen MUCH more emotional

That would have rocked.

 

[Crix]

That was one of my gripes with ROTS. Anakin goes from, "What have I done?" when cutting off Windu's hand to full on child killer in a few minutes.

"You don't know the power of the darkside." :emperor

 

[Crix]

One strange trilogy is Evil Dead. Part 3 Army Of Darkness has a totally different style than Parts 1 & 2. I prefer the first two better than the third one but you can see the bigger budget in the third one.

That's a great example! Completely missed that one. AOD is my favourite of the trilogy. True the first two were made on next to no budget and can't really compete with the third, but still. "Gimme some sugar baby!"

 

[Batty]

In the case of Spider-man 3, the director was given waaaaaaaaaay too much control and the movie suffered from his indulgences.

Raimi is consistent when it comes to trilogies. Spider-man 2 and Evil Dead 2 were the strongest for each series, while Spider-man 3 and Army of Darkness were the weakest.

 

[Crix]

Oftentimes the first movie is full of compromises due to budget or by dumbing down the subject matter to appeal to a larger audience. Once it's successful enough and a sequel is greenlit, then the filmmakers are given the power to make a movie that's more honest to their original intentions. Then when it's time to make a thrid... well, once you've made the second film the best you can make it, where do you go from there? That's the trick. In the case of Spider-man 3, the director was given waaaaaaaaaay too much control and the movie suffered from his indulgences.



That would have rocked.

Great points, thanks for posting!

What always baffles me is how great X-Men 1 was, despite the insane time constraints they had and budget constraints too. I read all about how they kept giving Singer less and less time to finish it because it was looking so good that they wanted to release it sooner. And somehow it turned out great. But then X2, where he had all the money and time he wanted, just didn't come off as good. Then X3...well, X3 gets a lot of flak that it probably doesn't totally deserve becasue of how last minute everything was thrown together, with 2 directors quitting and the third coming in when shooting was about to (or already had) started shooting. The studio pretty much made it a no-win situation by refusing to delay it. So unfortunate.

 

[Crix]

Raimi is consistent when it comes to trilogies. Spider-man 2 and Evil Dead 2 were the strongest for each series, while Spider-man 3 and Army of Darkness were the weakest.

I liked SM1 the best of the trilogy. SM2 really bored me for some reason. I loved AOD the best of the Evil Dead trilogy, but's because I thought it was the most fun. The other two were more straight horror movies, which I'm not a big fan of.

 

[Bannister]

Great points, thanks for posting!

What always baffles me is how great X-Men 1 was, despite the insane time constraints they had and budget constraints too. I read all about how they kept giving Singer less and less time to finish it because it was looking so good that they wanted to release it sooner. And somehow it turned out great. But then X2, where he had all the money and time he wanted, just didn't come off as good. Then X3...well, X3 gets a lot of flak that it probably doesn't totally deserve becasue of how last minute everything was thrown together, with 2 directors quitting and the third coming in when shooting was about to (or already had) started shooting. The studio pretty much made it a no-win situation by refusing to delay it. So unfortunate.

I like X2 over X-men. The first X-men was kind of meh for me.

 

[The Craw]

AOTC should have been the first SW movie(with a better plot) we didnt need to see anakin as a little boy. ROTS should have been the second movie showing anakin's turn to the dark side and how he "helped the empire hunt down and kill the jedi".

the third movie should have been about obi wan trying to turn vader back to the good side.
remember this:
luke:"come with me"
vader:"obi wan once thought as you do. you do not know the power of the dark side."

 

[Crix]

AOTC should have been the first SW movie(with a better plot) we didnt need to see anakin as a little boy. ROTS should have been the second movie showing anakin's turn to the dark side and how he "helped the empire hunt down and kill the jedi".

the third movie should have been about obi wan trying to turn vader back to the good side.
remember this:
luke:"come with me"
vader:"obi wan once thought as you do. you do not know the power of the dark side."

Yes! Agree totally! Someone else here said that for them, Star Wars is a 5 part saga with a prolouge. I LOVE that description. TPM is no way to start the saga for a person who's never see the movies before. I'd rather start with AOTC and then when I'm done them all, go and watch TMP if I'm interested in some more backstory, and an intro to some of the PT books. I just think of it as feeling more EU than canon Star Wars movie.

So true, ROTS should have actually been two movies. I really wanted to see Obi try to bring Anakin back (like Luke does in ROTJ) only to fail, which would bring more weight to Alec Guiness looking so down on himself in ROTJ when he's explaining things to Luke. Instead, the "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" line got reduced to a quick line Obi said during their duel.

 

[Darth Loki]

I have a hard time choosing between Spider Man 1 or 2 as my favorite. I've seen them both so many times. Same goes for the X-Men series.

AOD is by far my favorite movie in the Evil Dead series (though I don't know if I'd classify it as a horror movie)

ROTJ is still a great movie, but it's now ESB.

ROTK is probably the standout best third movie of a trilogy, but it was a book first so I have a hard time counting it.

Unless something is planned out from the beginning, I imagine it's hard to wrap up a series no matter how many movies it's done in.

 

[Crix]

No comments about the Man with No Name Trilogy?

P.S. - Loving this thread! Nice to see one stay on topic for a change.

 

[tomandshell]

(Knock on wood.)

 

[Darth Caedus]

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P.S. - Loving this thread! Nice to see one stay on topic for a change.

Thanks,

 

[The Craw]

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P.S. - Loving this thread! Nice to see one stay on topic for a change.

not a true trilogy but all three movies are classics. love em all equallly. they are works of art. the good, bad, and ugly is definately the best IMO.