The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[DiFabio]

The thing with this show is I have no idea where the locations are. It feels aimless and fake like they just make it up as they go along.

There should be an in story map or something because I'm sorta confused. The characters and locations should move the story forward, not "actions" or "events". Shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones or even a film like Lord of the Rings had a point of reference you know. This location, that location. You could almost feel like you were there and could travel from point A to B. With Walking Dead, things are kind of strange by Season 3. It took them all that time to find the prison? Why didn't Rick ever run into Dawn and Co.? The Governor and his cronies never crossed paths with anyone until it was plot appropriate? How the hell did Andrea and Michonne not find the group when they were in such close proximity? One minute, a location on the highway is too far away, the next, Rick, Carl and Michonne can go back to Rick's old neighborhood and chat with Morgan. Hell, how about the flashbacks with Carol how she could see the smoke rising from multiple vantage points as they happened? Atlanta and the surrounding locations just feel so whacked, especially when they're nothing more than CGI smoke or building stand ins. You also have characters like father Gabriel that are new to the apocalypse even though it's been going on for a while. That was fine for the Greene film on the farm because this world was new early on, but now?

It also doesn't help when we have all this stuff going down in story time that's the equivalence of a couple of hours. I was shocked in the last episode how Carol was "hit by a car yesterday". What? She recovered that quick? I know it's just a television show, but it feels like the most basic line of thinking is done with the scripts. What people think up themselves usually seems better.

 

[The Ween]

i found the scene in gif form

If you watch Dawn's arm, you can see how she shot her. Her head should've been much messier though.

 

[nexus]

You mean like Woodbury, Georgia.

No Woodbury was a joke put together by a sociopathic fanatical dictator who gathered up a few hundred straggling followers, basically the weak and the scared, and setup his ow little kingdom. Sure you might get stuff like that in the early stages, but keep in mind that at least four years have passed unless Carl is on growth hormones. Once you start getting together enough manpower, say a few thousand people with military training, engineering, scientific, organization and other specialized skills all banding together and working towards a common goal the you can build. The population has probably been reduced by 99% or more so food and basic resources should be a problem for a while. You've got heavy machinery, enclosed trucks, light attack motorcycles, helicopters, materials, weapons, and technology at your disposal. You could get solar, wind, natural gas, hydro electric and other sources of power online in time. Of course that's not to say it would've easy but definitely doable starting with whatever infrastructure was initially in place, once you cleared the walkers using heavy weapons, snipers, search and destroy, etc.

 

[The Ween]

The Ween is getting MILITANT!!!!

 

[Khev]

During Season 1, 2, and a good part of 3 I really thought only Rick was immune to death and so it was so tense watching everyone else. Now I feel like Rick, Daryl, AND Michonne have total immunity and that's too much IMO. I think Daryl should go. When he had that big fight with the cop the other night and put his fingers briefly in the one walker's mouth that should have been terrifyingly tense. I just chuckled and thought, "yeah right, like they're ever gonna get rid of him."

I understand Rick's importance but Daryl and Michonne are basically superheroes on what is supposed to be a very lethal and frightening show. I hope that doesn't continue for much longer.

 

[The Ween]

During Season 1, 2, and a good part of 3 I really thought only Rick was immune to death and so it was so tense watching everyone else. Now I feel like Rick, Daryl, AND Michonne have total immunity and that's too much IMO. I think Daryl should go. When he had that big fight with the cop the other night and put his fingers briefly in the one walker's mouth that should have been terrifyingly tense. I just chuckled and thought, "yeah right, like they're ever gonna get rid of him."

I understand Rick's importance but Daryl and Michonne are basically superheroes on what is supposed to be a very lethal and frightening show. I hope that doesn't continue for much longer.

Until they bring in some new and interesting characters, that's not going to happen. It's TV. People endear themselves to certain characters. They have to tread lightly when it comes to deaths.

Do you really want to see a show with Carl, Sasha, Tyresse, Maggie and Glen as the main characters?

 

[The Josh]

Didn't see that move with Beth coming. That was some ****ed up **** and one of the few moves I think wasn't handled well at all. As far as the show goes I'm still liking what they're doing and personally like that a few of the characters feel like they will be around.

 

[Khev]

Do you really want to see a show with Carl, Sasha, Tyresse, Maggie and Glen as the main characters?

No, I said I think Daryl should go. Now that you mention it Maggie and Glen are played out too, IMO.

 

[crows]

Forget Hershel's farm, the group has been meandering around Atlanta and the surrounding areas for four or fiveyears, since season one. Rick has got them going around in circles. At least Abraham was trying to get somewhere. There could be other places where large populations have banded together to come up with solutions like walled off reinforced towns or cities with military fortification and defense, electricity, clean water, medicine, scientific research, periodic screenings, deceased body disposal, communications, government, transportation, jobs, and even entertainment. They could have a sense of near normalcy while they ride out the next 10-20 years it might take to figure out the plague. After a few years you'd figure there could be dozens of these types of fortifications across the country and around the world. In which case groups like Ricks would basically be out there scattered out in the wilderness or in makeshift encampments like Terminus and basically devolving into savagesand lunatics.

Sure you figure everything would fall apart in the early days, weeks, months and even the first couple of years, but we are a rather resourceful and resilient species. After chaos comes order.

That's what I loved about z nation. They moved so much more. They were on the road most of the time and they didn't even let a zombie hurricane stop them lol

 

[DiFabio]

During Season 1, 2, and a good part of 3 I really thought only Rick was immune to death and so it was so tense watching everyone else. Now I feel like Rick, Daryl, AND Michonne have total immunity and that's too much IMO. I think Daryl should go. When he had that big fight with the cop the other night and put his fingers briefly in the one walker's mouth that should have been terrifyingly tense. I just chuckled and thought, "yeah right, like they're ever gonna get rid of him."

I understand Rick's importance but Daryl and Michonne are basically superheroes on what is supposed to be a very lethal and frightening show. I hope that doesn't continue for much longer.

I hope when Negan is introduced, this all changes. A character as colorful and flamboyant as he is could make an interesting season or two, change the tone of the show a bit. A story involving him on this show has potential to be unpredictable and make these "safe characters" at the very least, extremely uncomfortable. I think Negan's personality is what this show will eventually need, especially with his role with Carl and Rick if they go that route.

 

[The Ween]

That's what I loved about z nation. They moved so much more. They were on the road most of the time and they didn't even let a zombie hurricane stop them lol

A zombie hurricane? Yeah, that sounds like a much better show.

 

[crows]

A zombie hurricane? Yeah, that sounds like a much better show.

Yet they never have a single dull moment in the show. It's over the top but the action never stops. Obviously walking dead is better made and has a better budget but z nation is more entertaining in that sense.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!

 

[Mr. Green]

lol, daryl need to go!!!

hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!

 

[yruh8n]

Forget Hershel's farm, the group has been meandering around Atlanta and the surrounding areas for four or fiveyears, since season one. Rick has got them going around in circles. At least Abraham was trying to get somewhere. There could be other places where large populations have banded together to come up with solutions like walled off reinforced towns or cities with military fortification and defense, electricity, clean water, medicine, scientific research, periodic screenings, deceased body disposal, communications, government, transportation, jobs, and even entertainment. They could have a sense of near normalcy while they ride out the next 10-20 years it might take to figure out the plague. After a few years you'd figure there could be dozens of these types of fortifications across the country and around the world. In which case groups like Ricks would basically be out there scattered out in the wilderness or in makeshift encampments like Terminus and basically devolving into savagesand lunatics.

Sure you figure everything would fall apart in the early days, weeks, months and even the first couple of years, but we are a rather resourceful and resilient species. After chaos comes order.

Never happen "in real life". What this show does an excellent job of doing is showing the human condition in America in 2014. It's already every man for himself and that is an attitude that would only get worse in a zombie apocalypse type situation. You would never get enough people together who were willing to sacrifice and work together for the good of all. Most able bodied people in this country were born after the Great Depression and WWII. Even people who live in poverty in this country have it fairly good compared to the rest of the world. Take most of the food and water away and the same chaos and anarchy you see on TWD would be the norm. Look at the leaders of the various groups portrayed on this show. Rick, Gareth, the Governor, Dawn, Joe. All including Rick are somewhat frightening and not people you would feel comfortable being associated with under normal circumstances. That is the kind of leader it would take to even get started. The social commentary and subtext of TWD reminds me of watching the original Star Trek back in the sixties.

 

[The Ween]

Yet they never have a single dull moment in the show. It's over the top but the action never stops. Obviously walking dead is better made and has a better budget but z nation is more entertaining in that sense.

You can't compare the two. Z Nation is a half *** comedy, plus this is the first season for it. Get back with me in season 4 or 5.

 

[The Ween]

lol, daryl need to go!!!

hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!
hell, no, daryl need to go!

You behave!

 

[Sidewinder]

I actually don't think Dawn did that **** on purpose. Look at her face in the slow motion and the "I didn't mean to". She got stabbed in a tense situation (loved the use of the dutch angles by the way, really increased the tension of the scene/showdown) and the result seemed like a reaction to me. Dawn and Beth had a weird relationship, first it seems like they're both cool and understand each other, then they're not, then they are.

Also, I wonder what would have happened if Rick didn't kill Agent Sitwell? Dawn might not have asked for Noah. You can also see Rick contemplating this and Dawn knowing that they're bluffing about him getting killed by walkers.

That's a good point, I didn't even think of that. Dawn was pretty good at sensing the truth about what was going on, like Beth knowing Carol and that Beth had killed Gorman. She knew they were lying about her officer being killed by Walkers and she wanted Noah back considering she had lost one of her people. If Rick hadn't killed him, or injured him for that matter, they likely could have have traded 3 for 3.

 

[Sidewinder]

Once again for the record, once the episode has aired, its fair game to discuss it in this thread. If Comcast is screwing you over too and playing Walking Dead three hours later than the rest of the country, do what I do, and stay out of the thread until you've seen it. Of course people are going to discuss what they just saw in this thread

I was so worried that Carol was going to be the one biting the bullet, I was actually relieved it was only Beth. Really felt for Maggie though. For her to be told Beth is alive and they're going to go pick her up and then arrive only minutes too late was the most heartbreaking part IMO. Glen is her only remaining family now besides the whole group family.

I hope Tyreese and Daryl learned a valuable lesson this episode. You can't always be nice to get what you want. Sometimes you've got to go in guns blazing to get the job done right. Rick is certainly going to start shooting first and asking questions later now and resuming his Ricktatorship.

Seems like the only way Morgan is going to be able to meet up with the group again is if they continue to follow their original DC path, or at least that's the way I interpreted that over credits scene. Morgan at least knows Rick is with the group that was at the church now and has a motivation to follow the map to find the group of people he actually knows left in the world.

At least we don't have to worry about singing anymore!

Thank you! I've been wondering who this man is that has been following their trail. Completely forgot about Morgan and figured him long dead. When was the last time Rick actually saw him?

 

[crows]

I actually don't think Dawn did that **** on purpose. Look at her face in the slow motion and the "I didn't mean to". She got stabbed in a tense situation (loved the use of the dutch angles by the way, really increased the tension of the scene/showdown) and the result seemed like a reaction to me. Dawn and Beth had a weird relationship, first it seems like they're both cool and understand each other, then they're not, then they are.

Also, I wonder what would have happened if Rick didn't kill Agent Sitwell? Dawn might not have asked for Noah. You can also see Rick contemplating this and Dawn knowing that they're bluffing about him getting killed by walkers.

I still dont get why rick shot him, it makes no sense

that was almost like a Governor moment for him, no reason at all