The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Mister Ski]

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Is Rick dead yet?

It has less to do with his own actions and more to do with everyone else. If not for the grace of others, including Shane, he would be.

So you identify as Rick?

I do too, but the "tougher" Rick that he needs to become.

Nam has a point. Rick slept through the height of the zombie apocalypse. Then he would have been killed when he was waving to the walker on his street until Morgan and his son saved him. Then he was going to kill himself in the tank, until Glenn helped him out.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Nam has a point. Rick slept through the height of the zombie apocalypse. Then he would have been killed when he was waving to the walker on his street until Morgan and his son saved him. Then he was going to kill himself in the tank, until Glenn helped him out.

Keep going, there are plenty more examples, including getting axed by a crossbow bolt from Daryl.

 

[devilof76]

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But are there any examples of him getting himself cornered and limping, such that his only chance to survive was to murder the man who helped him get what he needed?

And when was he at risk from Daryl?

So you identify as Rick?

I think his approach has been right.

I do too, but the "tougher" Rick that he needs to become.

If he weren't who he is, he couldn't become who he'll be. I know he's not going to become a Shane, and that is my whole point.

Nam has a point. Rick slept through the height of the zombie apocalypse. Then he would have been killed when he was waving to the walker on his street until Morgan and his son saved him. Then he was going to kill himself in the tank, until Glenn helped him out.

He wasn't going to kill himself in the tank. That was when he was under it, before he noticed the open hatch on the bottom. Glenn helped him while he was trapped, but it's not like that was the only chance he had. And I doubt if the walker in the street had approached closely enough for him to see that it was dead, he would not have let himself get eaten. I think he did a damn good job of making it without the benefit of seeing the whole thing unfold the way that everyone else on Earth did.

 

[Mister Ski]

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But are there any examples of him getting himself cornered and limping, such that his only chance to survive was to murder the man who helped him get what he needed?

I'm not condoning Shane's actions either.

And when was he at risk from Daryl?

I don't remember this one either.

I think his approach has been right.

Agreed.


If he weren't who he is, he couldn't become who he'll be. I know he's not going to become a Shane, and that is my whole point.

Agreed.

He wasn't going to kill himself in the tank. That was when he was under it, before he noticed the open hatch on the bottom. Glenn helped him while he was trapped, but it's not like that was the only chance he had. And I doubt if the walker in the street had approached closely enough for him to see that it was dead, he would not have let himself get eaten. I think he did a damn good job of making it without the benefit of seeing the whole thing unfold the way that everyone else on Earth did.

I stand corrected. He was going to kill himself under the tank, not in it.

 

[devilof76]

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He found the hatch on his own, and he didn't even need to shoot Otis.

 

[BuffyGirl]

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I agree. I've watched this episode two more times since I first saw it Sunday and the ending still gets to me. It definitely made me tear up a little, hate to admit it. No TV show has ever made me do that before.

Not many can do that to me too, even though I'm a woman. But Grey's Anatomy still takes the cake on how many times I've cried over 1 show. Especially when they have kids die.

TWD ending was touching and heartbreaking.

 

[thenammagazine]

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But are there any examples of him getting himself cornered and limping, such that his only chance to survive was to murder the man who helped him get what he needed?

Nope, instead he was at the farm crying while Shane was risking his life to get Carl meds. And the sprained ankle was Otis' fault. Why didn't they both just go out the way Otis did? Given Otis wasn't even breathing hard, he took the easy way and sent Shane through the tiny window.

And when was he at risk from Daryl?

When he arrived at the camp and Daryl learned that he'd cuffed Merle to the plumbing on the roof of a building. Rick doesn't decide to go back until after Daryl confronts him.

He wasn't going to kill himself in the tank. That was when he was under it, before he noticed the open hatch on the bottom. Glenn helped him while he was trapped, but it's not like that was the only chance he had. And I doubt if the walker in the street had approached closely enough for him to see that it was dead, he would not have let himself get eaten. I think he did a damn good job of making it without the benefit of seeing the whole thing unfold the way that everyone else on Earth did.

Glenn saved his ass at that point. Otherwise, he would've just stayed in the tank. Glenn was the ONLY chance he had. Glenn gave him the golden key for that situation.

 

[Mister Ski]

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He found the hatch on his own, and he didn't even need to shoot Otis.

He would have if Otis was with him and got stuck in it.

 

[devilof76]

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Would have been too late at that point.

Nope, instead he was at the farm crying while Shane was risking his life to get Carl meds. And the sprained ankle was Otis' fault. Why didn't they both just go out the way Otis did? Given Otis wasn't even breathing hard, he took the easy way and sent Shane through the tiny window.

He was at the farm because Shane wouldn't let him go for the respirator himself. And what would you have been doing of your child was on the verge of death and the most competent person available volunteered to do it for you so that you didn't have to take the chance of not being there if they slipped away?

Going out the window was Shane's idea.

When he arrived at the camp and Daryl learned that he'd cuffed Merle to the plumbing on the roof of a building. Rick doesn't decide to go back until after Daryl confronts him.

I don't think Daryl's arrow was what made him decide. Hold on, I'll go check.

Glenn saved his ass at that point. Otherwise, he would've just stayed in the tank. Glenn was the ONLY chance he had. Glenn gave him the golden key for that situation.

He wouldn't have stayed in the tank forever.

 

[devilof76]

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Yeah, Daryl pulled a knife and Rick disarmed him. There was no confrontation, just Rick telling Daryl what he did, and once Daryl had chilled, he had already decided. In fact, Lori knew he had already made the decision. Daryl asks, "Show me where I can find him." and Lori says, "He'll show you."

 

[Mister Ski]

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The main reason the Shane / Otis medical supply plan went bad was because it wasn't a fully thought out plan because it had no exit strategy. Using the flares as a distraction was a great idea that gained them access to the supplies. But then they essentially trapped themselves. What they should have done was have Shane act as a distraction and get the walkers to chase him, which they did. Otis should have stayed in the trailer (and had a couple Twinkies - ok bad plan) and then once the coast was clear carry all the supplies back to the truck and then meet Shane at some predetermined rendezvous point, Shane hops in the bed of the truck and away they go.

Rick would have thought the plan through a little more thoroughly before executing it and that is the difference between Rick and Shane.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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I hope they get off that damn farm. Really getting old.

 

[devilof76]

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I know. If they had just shot the deer before Otis, we could have been spared all this drama.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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I know. If they had just shot the deer before Otis, we could have been spared all this drama.

or lack thereof. being confined in one space is a little dull for my tastes. Granted the last episode slaughtering was nice, but that should have happened 3 weeks ago and the group well on their way by now.

 

[devilof76]

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We are not on the same page.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Whatever happened to the guy and his kid that Rick first met after the hospital? Are they off the show for good? I was expecting they'd run into them eventually.

 

[thenammagazine]

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He was at the farm because Shane wouldn't let him go for the respirator himself. And what would you have been doing of your child was on the verge of death and the most competent person available volunteered to do it for you so that you didn't have to take the chance of not being there if they slipped away?

Point is, Shane could've just walked away. You guys keep demonizing him, refusing to see that while his actions are definitely questionable, he's extremely crutial to the group's survival.

Going out the window was Shane's idea.

Notice Otis encouraged it instead of leading him to the gym with, "there're bigger windows where we won't get hurt." Instead he let Shane be zombie bait while he waddled his fat ass out a safer route.

I don't think Daryl's arrow was what made him decide. Hold on, I'll go check.

It was Daryl's attitude that made Rick feel guilty. If Daryl hadn't said ____, I'm sure Rick wouldn't have given going back a second though and left Merle to fate.

He wouldn't have stayed in the tank forever.

You're right. And with no guide, he would've wound up just like his horse. All those zombies chowing down on the horse would've been long done and beating on the tank by the time he got around to acting.

 

[Mister Ski]

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or lack thereof. being confined in one space is a little dull for my tastes. Granted the last episode slaughtering was nice, but that should have happened 3 weeks ago and the group well on their way by now.

This show is never going to be a slasher fest. If that is what you are looking for, then I suggest A zombie movie where everything is wrapped up in an hour and a half. This is an ongoing series with very strong character and plot development.

We are not on the same page.

 

[devilof76]

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Point is, Shane could've just walked away. You guys keep demonizing him, refusing to see that while his actions are definitely questionable, he's extremely crutial to the group's survival.

He has done things that saved lives. He also just put them abck on the road, and if I remember correctly, shelter is preferable to exposure.

Notice Otis encouraged it instead of leading him to the gym with, "there're bigger windows where we won't get hurt." Instead he let Shane be zombie bait while he waddled his fat ass out a safer route.

Otis saved him when he got cornered outside. My memory of the time spent in the school is shaky, but I thought the greater mob chased Otis out while Shane dealt with the last stragglers as he climbed out.

It was Daryl's attitude that made Rick feel guilty. If Daryl hadn't said ____, I'm sure Rick wouldn't have given going back a second though and left Merle to fate.

A man willing to let Merle die on the roof would not feel guilty. Who is Daryl to him? What seems unlikely to me would be Rick allowing Merle to die up there.

You're right. And with no guide, he would've wound up just like his horse. All those zombies chowing down on the horse would've been long done and beating on the tank by the time he got around to acting.

That's supposition, but I don't dispute that Glenn expedited and guaranteed his escape. He gave him knowledge that saved his life.

It still doesn't support the thesis that Rick is helpless without the rest of the group.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Any body would be helpless alone.