The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[ProgMatinee]

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This show is never going to be a slasher fest. If that is what you are looking for, then I suggest A zombie movie where everything is wrapped up in an hour and a half. This is an ongoing series with very strong character and plot development.

Are you saying character developement can only happen when the characters are stuck in one setting for 6 episodes? Andrea hasn't really developed since episode 7. She wanted to shoot zombie then and she still does, despite accidentally shooting Daryl. Seems like the opposite of developing as a character to me, when the experiences don't change you.

I don't need constant action, just change up the scenery and move on.

 

[devilof76]

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Any body would be helpless alone.

I mean dependent. Other people will (usually) increase your chances of survival, but I don't think helpless is accurate. And I am having a hard time seeing how Shane is doing anything now but fracturing the group.

I see what you mean though. A loner's days are numbered shorter than a member of a pack.

Spoiler

...even Michonne's, though hers are higher than average.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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I think the group needs a solid wing man which is what Shane or Daryl should be, if each of them weren't off his respective rocker. Not to say they aren't extremely valuable, just they can't be relied on that heavily.

Not having read the novels and not knowing any of the spoilers for upcoming episodes, if the group was to meet back up with Morgan then IMO that would make Shane expendible and they can banish him, and he'd probably take Andrea and maybe even Daryl (though I think Daryl would realize he chose the wrong side and return to the main group).

 

[devilof76]

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I don't think Daryl is a Shane fan.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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I don't think Daryl is a fan of anybody.

I think Daryl would go with Shane under the impression of "lets go kick some ass" but then would realize that the juju would be wrong and return to the more balanced core group.

 

[devilof76]

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The second he realized that Shane was the kind of cop that would harass the ____ out of him if he ever pulled him over, Daryl would be gone.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Are you saying character development can only happen when the characters are stuck in one setting for 6 episodes? Andrea hasn't really developed since episode 7. She wanted to shoot zombie then and she still does, despite accidentally shooting Daryl. Seems like the opposite of developing as a character to me, when the experiences don't change you.

I don't need constant action, just change up the scenery and move on.

Not what I am saying at all. They had one kid missing and the other shot. They had to stay put for awhile, so that Carl could recover. Anyways, the whole point of this series is them getting AWAY from the walkers and trying to find a safe place to live. Not going out every episode and shooting up some walkers for fun and sport.

I also disagree with your assessment of no character development. Andrea hasn't grown leaps and bounds yet (it has only been 6-7 days story wise that they have been at Herschel's) but she has become a stronger person who can fight for herself and become a protector of the group. Hell in the second episode of the series she didn't even know how to take the safety of a gun. Now she is becoming a more confident and stronger person.

I also think you don't give Daryl enough credit. You seem to view him him as some type of redneck badass who like shooting zombies. There is a lot more to him than that and it has started to come out with his insistance on searching for Sophia. She became his personal crusade and you saw that he does actually care about the group. He isn't all lovey dovey because Merle has done on number on him as a kid, but you can see the inherent goodness come out. I'd be shocked if he ever agreed with Shane or thought Shane would make a better leader than Rick.

I think the group needs a solid wing man which is what Shane or Daryl should be, if each of them weren't off his respective rocker. Not to say they aren't extremely valuable, just they can't be relied on that heavily.

Not having read the novels and not knowing any of the spoilers for upcoming episodes, if the group was to meet back up with Morgan then IMO that would make Shane expendible and they can banish him, and he'd probably take Andrea and maybe even Daryl (though I think Daryl would realize he chose the wrong side and return to the main group).

I can see Daryl becoming Rick's wingman, but not Shane.

 

[devilof76]

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Yeah, I think Daryl already knows what kind of cop Shane is.

 

[316what]

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Whose need for shelter trumps whose? The next group to come along looking for shelter gets to force their way in too? What happens when there's no more room? Since no one has a greater right to it than anyone else (being that right is now subordinate to need) and everyone considers their own need as being of the utmost importance, the only way to decide is the way it started: by force.

You tell me how long 'survival' will last on those terms.

Duration of survival depends on the strengths of the parties. As Darwin said: survival of the fittest.

As for whose need for shelter trumps whose goes: it always goes to the group with more fire power. Just ask the Native American Indians.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Not what I am saying at all. They had one kid missing and the other shot. They had to stay put for awhile, so that Carl could recover. Anyways, the whole point of this series is them getting AWAY from the walkers and trying to find a safe place to live. Not going out every episode and shooting up some walkers for fun and sport.

I also disagree with your assessment of no character development. Andrea hasn't grown leaps and bounds yet (it has only been 6-7 days story wise that they have been at Herschel's) but she has become a stronger person who can fight for herself and become a protector of the group. Hell in the second episode of the series she didn't even know how to take the safety of a gun. Now she is becoming a more confident and stronger person.

I also think you don't give Daryl enough credit. You seem to view him him as some type of redneck badass who like shooting zombies. There is a lot more to him than that and it has started to come out with his insistance on searching for Sophia. She became his personal crusade and you saw that he does actually care about the group. He isn't all lovey dovey because Merle has done on number on him as a kid, but you can see the inherent goodness come out. I'd be shocked if he ever agreed with Shane or thought Shane would make a better leader than Rick.



I can see Daryl becoming Rick's wingman, but not Shane.

Just because I haven't wrote an essay on Daryl doesn't mean I don't understand him...its simply because pretty much everyone has already wrote about him ad naseum. He's a yinyang for sure and IMO maybe the one who is most in tune with the world around him. But I do think he would run off with Shane with the provocation of "lets hunt some zombies" and then eventually be pulled back. It takes him going all out in one direction before realizing he is going the wrong way...but he figures it out.

As for timeline, there is no way this is all occuring in 1 week. I would guess they've been there a good month or 2.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Duration of survival depends on the strengths of the parties. As Darwin said: survival of the fittest.

As for whose need for shelter trumps whose goes: it always goes to the group with more fire power. Just ask the Native American Indians.

One other alternative to taking things by force is simply that two opponents might realize that the risk of casualties on either side would be greater than the reward to the victor and most likely the invader would move on if the native inhabitants would put on a fight.

Survival of the fittest is probably best reserved for those who know their lineage will continue. You aren't going to sacrifice the whole tribe in this situation.

I don't think any small band or tribe at this point can afford to make war against another small band or tribe while there is still an invasion from outside going on.

At this point I think the group are still nomadic and would prefer to move on than brace for a battle.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Just because I haven't wrote an essay on Daryl doesn't mean I don't understand him...its simply because pretty much everyone has already wrote about him ad naseum. He's a yinyang for sure and IMO maybe the one who is most in tune with the world around him. But I do think he would run off with Shane with the provocation of "lets hunt some zombies" and then eventually be pulled back. It takes him going all out in one direction before realizing he is going the wrong way...but he figures it out.

As for timeline, there is no way this is all occurring in 1 week. I would guess they've been there a good month or 2.

We agree to disagree on Daryl.

So they've been looking for Sophia for a month or two? Why isn't Lori's pregnancy becoming more noticeable? Better yet why would she take morning after pills if she was already two or three months along? Why hasn't T-Dawg's cut on his arm healed yet? Wouldn't everyone's hair be longer too?

No, I am pretty certain they haven't been at the farm for more than a week tops. In episode 4 this season they said it has been three days that Sophia has been missing when they are looking at the map and forming a search grid.

Do you have any examples of how they could be living there for 1-2 months that I may have overlooked?

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Obviously if they actually say how long she had been missing, that's solid evidence, but I have a hard time believing that a kid gets shot and is now walking around 3 days later. Also think the evolution of Glenn and the girl's relationship is too fast for a few days.

I think Herschel would give them more than 3 days before trying to kick them to the curb.

Glenn has gone to town at least 2 times. Do you think he'd really risk going to town every few days? That something you do once every few weeks.

As for the morning after pills, the reason she took a crap load of them is she is several weeks pregnant. Also women don't freak out the day they miss their period, its not that precise unless they're on birth control which obviously she wasn't...

Also, no show worries about stuff like haircuts..are you kidding? Do you wonder how many times they've taken a dump? Those things aren't important to the storytelling, unless its something like Shane's hair...in which case it looks like its growing back pretty fast to me if its only been a week.

 

[devilof76]

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Duration of survival depends on the strengths of the parties. As Darwin said: survival of the fittest.

As for whose need for shelter trumps whose goes: it always goes to the group with more fire power. Just ask the Native American Indians.

So, 'Occupy Hershel's farm' is a movement you can get behind?

 

[thenammagazine]

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Dev, I love ya bro. But based on some of the ____ you're saying, I don't think you'd be readily equipped to deal with an environment like a zombie apocalypse. The only reason I'm saying you wouldn't be zombie bait is because you're a pretty smart cookie and a quick learner.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Obviously if they actually say how long she had been missing, that's solid evidence, but I have a hard time believing that a kid gets shot and is now walking around 3 days later. Also think the evolution of Glenn and the girl's relationship is too fast for a few days.

I think Herschel would give them more than 3 days before trying to kick them to the curb.

Carl's recovery is a bit speedy, but if they didn't speed that up then they would be there for months.

Glenn and Maggie had sex when they did because they both realize they could die at any moment. It's not like they can go out on a couple of dates for dinner and a movie to get to know each other better.

Herschel wants them gone as soon as possible so they don't discover what is hidden in the barn.

 

[devilof76]

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I was on my feet after an appendectomy in three days. I was 17. A kid Carls' age would be in good shape faster.

Dev, I love ya bro. But based on some of the ____ you're saying, I don't think you'd be readily equipped to deal with an environment like a zombie apocalypse. The only reason I'm saying you wouldn't be zombie bait is because you're a pretty smart cookie and a quick learner.

If I hadn't been awake for...38 of the last 40 hours, I might be on surer footing.

I'm going to bed now.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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I also recovered in three days from an apendectomy, but 1)there was no shock or trauma involved 2)I didn't run a huge fever and go unconcious, and 3) didn't need a huge blood transfusion.

I would say the kid was in bed at least a week or 2 and then out of bed another 2.

I'll back track off of 2 months, but I'll say 1 month. Not 1 week.

 

[devilof76]

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I forgot about those parts. Seriously. 38 hours.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I also recovered in three days from an apendectomy, but 1)there was no shock or trauma involved 2)I didn't run a huge fever and go unconcious, and 3) didn't need a huge blood transfusion.

I would say the kid was in bed at least a week or 2 and then out of bed another 2.

I'll back track off of 2 months, but I'll say 1 month. Not 1 week.

There are people in combat right this very minute who went through exactly what Carl did (even worse) and are back on the front lines within a day or so (if not immediately afterward). It's not like he's attacking zombies with ninjitsu, he's walking around camp and taking it easy.