The Walking Dead - TV Series on AMC ( Comic and Un-aired Spoilers unwelcome!)

[Wake]

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Here's a class I want to attend:

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I wish they'd had classes like that when I was in college.

 

[thenammagazine]

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It woke him up. It wasn't a 'necessary' change without which people couldn't survive.

Men as stubborn as him don't see anything else. It was a necessary change. The walkers busting out of the barn and attacking everybody was inevitable. Made only more dangerous by an old fool who doesn't see them as such.

Uh huh. After watching his wife cut down by a snot-nosed redneck pig and having his hopes of getting her back crushed so fast he probably got whiplash, embarassment was what drove him back to the bottle.

It was Hershall's moment of clarity. His hopes of a cure were blatantly and ignorantly endangering himself and his family, and getting her back were delusional unless he was gonna tie her up and resort to necrophilia until she completely decomped. I'd also like to point out that while he thought they were salvageable, with Otis doing the wrangling and the blonde doing the feeding, he sure as ____ "conveniently" made certain he didn't go anywhere near them.

Because he got told and he knew no one was going to back him up. Do you think if he thought he could get away with telling Hershel where to shove it, he would have kept his contrary opinion to himself?

Are we watching the same show? Shane shot up the zombies in the barn thinking Hershall was home. He didn't know he'd run off with Rick who was brown-nosing so his wife gets the proper prenatal care. Rick knew the walkers were dangerous and despite that, could only think of himself, his wife, and the unborn child. Not saying that's wrong, but it's hardly "thinking for the group."

You been cheated on before or something?

[insert equally low blow about poor taste in women]

Right. And Hitler gave us Volkswagens so I shouldn't rush to judgment.

The respirator that Shane brought was useless without Hershel. Implying he's equally responsible is not accurate. Also, implying that Shane electing to murder Otis was necessary to save Carl's life ignores every other possible course of action that Shane could have taken that night. Defining the change in social conditions that the zombies have brought as 'killing whoever you have to to survive' is the way of thinking that is threatening invasion by hostile humans to the farm. It is what threatened Rick, Glenn and Hershel in the bar, and hunted them afterwards. It is not what people need to accept as an integral part of their survival codes. It is what they have to fear most. Walkers are a lesser threat compared to humans who have no respect for the lives of other humans.

Blah-blah-blah. It doesn't change the fact that without it, Carl would be dead. Without Otis' sacrifice, Carl would be dead. Without Shane doing what he did (agree with his methods or don't), Carl would be dead. Shane had a sprained ankle and Otis, with or without the packs, was putting them both in danger. It's a shame Otis couldn't have been honorable and thought of the people he'd ____ed over by shooting a kid and sacrificed himself. Fortunately, Shane saw the bigger picture and had the balls to do what he did.

Besides, there's only one person in the group whose direct actions got a child killed. Newsflash... It wasn't Shane.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Men as stubborn as him don't see anything else. It was a necessary change. The walkers busting out of the barn and attacking everybody was inevitable. Made only more dangerous by an old fool who doesn't see them as such.



It was Hershall's moment of clarity. His hopes of a cure were blatantly and ignorantly endangering himself and his family, and getting her back were delusional unless he was gonna tie her up and resort to necrophilia until she completely decomped. I'd also like to point out that while he thought they were salvageable, with Otis doing the wrangling and the blonde doing the feeding, he sure as ____ "conveniently" made certain he didn't go anywhere near them.



Are we watching the same show? Shane shot up the zombies in the barn thinking Hershall was home. He didn't know he'd run off with Rick who was brown-nosing so his wife gets the proper prenatal care. Rick knew the walkers were dangerous and despite that, could only think of himself, his wife, and the unborn child. Not saying that's wrong, but it's hardly "thinking for the group."



[insert equally low blow about poor taste in women]



Blah-blah-blah. It doesn't change the fact that without it, Carl would be dead. Without Otis' sacrifice, Carl would be dead. Without Shane doing what he did (agree with his methods or don't), Carl would be dead. Shane had a sprained ankle and Otis, with or without the packs, was putting them both in danger. It's a shame Otis couldn't have been honorable and thought of the people he'd ____ed over by shooting a kid and sacrificed himself. Fortunately, Shane saw the bigger picture and had the balls to do what he did.

Besides, there's only one person in the group whose direct actions got a child killed. Newsflash... It wasn't Shane.

It was Dale and his lack of doing a proper job of looking out for Walkers in that traffic jam on the highway.

 

[thenammagazine]

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It was Dale and his lack of doing a proper job of looking out for Walkers in that traffic jam on the highway.

Outside of being a drama queen, guarding his RV, pining over a woman young enough to be his daughter and hiding guns, Dale is useless.

Actually if Rick had told her to stay put under the tree root, instead of expecting her to follow the creek back (in the wilderness, things look entirely different from a reverse POV - naive to expect a child to navigate), he could've scooped her back up on his way back to the highway. Instead, sending her off to find her own way back, resulted in her death.

 

[Centurion]

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Agreed. Dale's ideals are from a time that no longer exists.
He appears to be the character having the most difficult time adapting.

He's still alive only because of the people he argues with.

 

[316what]

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Right. And Hitler gave us Volkswagens so I shouldn't rush to judgment.

I think you mean BMWs.

Are we watching the same show? Shane shot up the zombies in the barn thinking Hershall was home.

What? Shane shot up the zombies in the barn after letting them out in front of Herschel.

Without Otis' sacrifice, Carl would be dead.

That should read "without Otis being sacrificed. Saying "Otis' sacrifice" implies Otis made the decision to give up his life which he did not.

 

[Mister Ski]

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Outside of being a drama queen, guarding his RV, pining over a woman young enough to be his daughter and hiding guns, Dale is useless.

Actually if Rick had told her to stay put under the tree root, instead of expecting her to follow the creek back (in the wilderness, things look entirely different from a reverse POV - naive to expect a child to navigate), he could've scooped her back up on his way back to the highway. Instead, sending her off to find her own way back, resulted in her death.

His hiding of the guns could have had a disastrous impact on the group if they were attacked by Walkers. So in my mind he is an actual impediment to the safety of the group. No way this guy was a Vietnam Vet.

Also, I don't remember Rick's exact dialog to Sophia, but I thought he did tell her to stay put by the tree root and that he would come back for her, but if he wasn't back in a half hour or so to follow the creek back. Unfortunately, Sophia didn't listen to Rick.

Agreed. Dale's ideals are from a time that no longer exists.
He appears to be the character having the most difficult time adapting.

He's still alive only because of the people he argues with.

 

[thenammagazine]

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What? Shane shot up the zombies in the barn after letting them out in front of Herschel.

Point being he didn't care and isn't afraid of Hershall, so his zipping it in the argument meant nothing more than there was still some respect there for the old man.

That should read "without Otis being sacrificed. Saying "Otis' sacrifice" implies Otis made the decision to give up his life which he did not.

without Otis' sacrifice = without the sacrifice of Otis. Whether he did it or not, he was sacrificed.

Also, I don't remember Rick's exact dialog to Sophia, but I thought he did tell her to stay put by the tree root and that he would come back for her, but if he wasn't back in a half hour or so to follow the creek back. Unfortunately, Sophia didn't listen to Rick.

I remember it being, something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing), "Wait until we're out of site then follow the creek back. Keep the sun over your right shoulder." He basically sent her back. He didn't tell her to wait there for him to come back because, had done that, she never would've come out of that barn.

 

[The Ween]

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He wasn't overly bloody but he did have a wound + a little blood on the left side of his face by his eye that wasn't there in the original shot.



Lori's point was, the men don't need Andrea's help. But the women DO. So while Andrea is out toting her gun around and trying to be one of the guys the women are having to pick up the slack with their jobs. Not to mention, as sexist as it may sound, NO ONE in that group will ever view Andrea as a "protector" like they view the other men. Regardless if she can shoot or not. And even that's debatable because let's not forget she's the same FUBAR that shot Daryl.

I know that, but the oh we need you here with us to do laundry and ____, wouldn't fly with me either. She's just trying to be Queen Bee. Just think what a burden she's going to be when she's further along in her pregnancy.

 

[The Ween]

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And you can't blame Lori for being pissed that the other women have to pick up the slack now with Andrea toting her gun around the farm playing soldier. Like I said, they both had their points. Nobody won that argument imo.

What's all this slack that she needs to pick up?

 

[Moonloop]

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Point being he didn't care and isn't afraid of Hershall, so his zipping it in the argument meant nothing more than there was still some respect there for the old man.



without Otis' sacrifice = without the sacrifice of Otis. Whether he did it or not, he was sacrificed.



I remember it being, something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing), "Wait until we're out of site then follow the creek back. Keep the sun over your right shoulder." He basically sent her back. He didn't tell her to wait there for him to come back because, had done that, she never would've come out of that barn.

Yeah your right, Rick told her to find her way back. Don't we actually see her leave after Rick and the Zombies run off?

But yeah, Rick should've told her to stay and he'd be back for her. But I wonder how long that would've been. We won't know in TV time how long it was from the time Rick left Sophia to the time he killed the 2nd Zombie.

 

[The Ween]

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Don't knock Andrea's new skills. She'll be the best with the gun and her skills will come into play better when they're somewhere else where inevitably the ADD ___________ will be whining about them staying in the same place for all of Season 3.... it's coming.

And at Lori trying to justify scrubbing skidmarks. The world is over as is any sense of normalcy. She'd be better served actually paying attention to her own child and pregnancy than causing drama left and right, trying to be queen bee.

Kevin Smith made an interesting point. We all know Shane would never leave Rick. But until he saw the two dead guards side-by-side and was reminded of himself and Shane, Rick was about to do just that. It makes me think if Rick, to some extent, is just as delusionally selfish as Lori.

I should just let you speak for me!

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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What's all this slack that she needs to pick up?

The boring stuff they don't show on camera I suppose.

 

[Voorhees27]

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I know that, but the oh we need you here with us to do laundry and ____, wouldn't fly with me either. She's just trying to be Queen Bee. Just think what a burden she's going to be when she's further along in her pregnancy.

Imagine severe mood swings and no McDonalds at 3:00 am. She might have the entire team divided by the end of her first trimester.

 

[Sachiel]

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Oxymoronic. Going with your last point, Shane doesn't have to die. At least not right now. As Kirkman stated, this is a completely different beast from the comics. And it's better for it.

Yes, I know it's a different beast. I do read the comics and watch the show. Shane should have died in the first season before they left the camp. He's lived well past that. Doesn't mean that's a good reason the character should continue living.

What's he gonna do? See the error of his ways and play nice? Leave the group?

He's spouting the same crap in the next episode preview as he has been for the whole season. They've been building it up. He is gonna get "it".

Rick knew the walkers were dangerous and despite that, could only think of himself, his wife, and the unborn child. Not saying that's wrong, but it's hardly "thinking for the group."

Shane only thinks about Lori, Carl and the baby too.

 

[The Ween]

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Imagine severe mood swings and no McDonalds at 3:00 am. She might have the entire team divided by the end of her first trimester.

She'll send poor Glenn into some town for pickles and peanut butter or something. Then Rick will have to go after Glenn, then she'll have to waddle her way through town holding her big belly in one hand and her gun in the other looking for Rick, all the while _____ing about how if Andrea would of done her fair share or laundry she would've had a cleaner moo moo to wear into town looking for Rick.

 

[The Ween]

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This needs to be Lori........

 

[Mister Ski]

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This needs to be Lori........

 

[Wake]

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Jeez the way this thread is going people won't be happy until its just Rick and Daryl frolicking and surviving the Zombie apocalypse together forever.

T. Dawg sucks! Dale sucks DIE DIE! Shane must DIE! I hope LORI bites it! Herschel is an idiot! Can't stand Carol! Andrea's just like Shane and needs to go! Glenn's weak!

 

[Deckard]

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Meh, you can throw Shane and Dale in there too, I like them.

If Lori were gone alot of the animosity between Rick and Shane could cool off after a while without the constant reminder from her nagging bs.