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[mikedanger]

we had not seen that before...it was a flashback scene to show us how alone he was

 

[cilantropants]

It was a new flashback scene. I took it to relate to Sasha and her wanting to leave everyone behind. Bob already lived through the solitude multiple times in that horror of a wasteland. And he knew that he never wanted to be alone again. Sasha wanted to disconnect for whatever reason, she either didn't want another Woodbury situation, or didn't want to confront the loss of her brother. And while Bob's solitude was the result of losing his partners to walkers, Sasha came to her senses and realized she didn't want the same thing when confronted with the option literally in front of her eyes. She ran to help Maggie, and made her choice to stay connected.

 

[devilof76]

Yup. Sasha asks Bob why he's smiling and he says it's not because he's not dead---it's because he's not alone.

 

[pixletwin]

All of the episodes since the midseason finale have dealt with the conflicted feelings each member had about being in another group or whether they needed anyone but themselves, to survive.

Carl and Rick faced faced that question. Michonne faced it. Sasha and Bob. Glen and Maggie (though their realization is that it wasn't enough to survive alone or with a group. They had to survive together.) Ultimately it's a device to get them all independently on the same page of seeking out Terminus.

 

[greygoose]

Pretty sure that was a flashback to when Bob joined the group

we had not seen that before...it was a flashback scene to show us how alone he was

It was a new flashback scene.

Thanks. What episode did Bob makes his first appearance?

 

[mikedanger]

first episode of season 4 if i'm not mistaken

 

[Sachiel]

Correct. They found him only a couple weeks before the start of season 4.

 

[The Ween]

I like to see how people adapt (or not) to how the world is, now.

From last season, Clara and the Governor couldn’t “come back from these things”, but Rick could. Normal people are capable of terrible things (Eddie helping himself and Clara to survive), and sociopaths can flourish without being kept in check by a greater society. Rick suffered, but he snapped out of it, grew, and adapted. He knows he can’t “just be a farmer”.

In Michonne’s dream, her boyfriend seemed to want to check out of life. I think he killed their child and that is why Michonne was so affected by the murder-suicide pink bedroom scene. Some people chose to kill themselves rather than try to survive in this world.

The country club scene showed how class doesn’t have any meaning, anymore. The haves and have – nots both died. Beth and Daryl’s dynamic/growth worked because they were from opposite sides of the tracks. Carol would not have brought that out in Daryl. Daryl rummaging through the purse was lame because well into a year into the zombie apocalypse, Daryl knows money is no good. They showed it to emphasize the point about class differences and Beth and Daryl’s differences.

When Beth was writing a thank-you note for the food, she said there were still good people in the world. In the beginning of that episode, lonely Bob was picked up by “good” guys. At the end of the episode, lonely Daryl was picked up by bad guys.

Can’t wait for next week.

I was thinking he took the money for the paper. For fire starting and such.

 

[The Ween]

Does anyone know how the timelines line up with Rick and "the gang" and Daryl and "the gang"? Could Daryl have been in the house when Rick was upstairs?

 

[cilantropants]

That's what I thought too, and he did use a big stack later to start the shack a'blazin'. He must have noticed Beth's diary pages getting low.

On TTD, they specifically stated in the episode notes that the hanging zombies and others were killed in a class warfare conflict.

 

[Mister Ski]

Does anyone know how the timelines line up with Rick and "the gang" and Daryl and "the gang"? Could Daryl have been in the house when Rick was upstairs?

I think Daryl meets Joe after Rick. If I remember correctly...

Rick and Carl find house night of prison attack. Michonne finds them next day. Day after that Michonne and Carl go hunting for food and Rick encounters Joe and the gang. (Total 2 days post prison attack.)

Daryl and Beth camp in woods night of prison attack. Next night they are in trunk of car. Next day they find country club and moonshine shack. Next day they find mortuary. Next day the Walkers get in house and they are separated and Daryl meets up with Joe and gang. (Total 4 days post prison attack.)

So according to my recollection Daryl meets Joe 2 days after he was at the house Rick was at.

 

[cilantropants]

Does anyone know how the timelines line up with Rick and "the gang" and Daryl and "the gang"? Could Daryl have been in the house when Rick was upstairs?

I don't think so. Rick in the house wasn't as many days out after the prison attack as Daryl and Beth were by the time they were split up. Least I don't reckon they were.

 

[a-dev]

That was the "FOOOOOOSH" I was talking about.

I took it to relate to Sasha and her wanting to leave everyone behind. Bob already lived through the solitude multiple times in that horror of a wasteland. And he knew that he never wanted to be alone again. Sasha wanted to disconnect for whatever reason, she either didn't want another Woodbury situation, or didn't want to confront the loss of her brother. And while Bob's solitude was the result of losing his partners to walkers, Sasha came to her senses and realized she didn't want the same thing when confronted with the option literally in front of her eyes. She ran to help Maggie, and made her choice to stay connected.

Yup. Sasha asks Bob why he's smiling and he says it's not because he's not dead---it's because he's not alone.

All of the episodes since the midseason finale have dealt with the conflicted feelings each member had about being in another group or whether they needed anyone but themselves, to survive.

Carl and Rick faced faced that question. Michonne faced it. Sasha and Bob. Glen and Maggie (though their realization is that it wasn't enough to survive alone or with a group. They had to survive together.) Ultimately it's a device to get them all independently on the same page of seeking out Terminus.

OK, no. None of that was lost on me in this particular episode, all of this was quite explicit in actual dialogue in fact, therefore nothing went FWOOOOOSHH. Since that was THE particular episode I was referring to in my criticisms I do not feel I was ignorant in making them. That was a boring, not particularly interesting episode. Simple as that.

But I'm sensing the next one will be better.

 

[thenammagazine]

OK, no. None of that was lost on me in this particular episode, all of this was quite explicit in actual dialogue in fact, therefore nothing went FWOOOOOSHH. Since that was THE particular episode I was referring to in my criticisms I do not feel I was ignorant in making them. That was a boring, not particularly interesting episode. Simple as that.

But I'm sensing the next one will be better.

If memory serves, you claimed there was no character development last episode, which led to the mockery.

 

[a-dev]

If memory serves, you claimed there was no character development last episode, which led to the mockery.

Even if I said that initially, and I'm not sure I did, I went on to say ''it just wasn't very interesting, not particularly worth basing an episode around, not brought about in any kind of interesting way''. After that Pixeltwin made his FWOOOOOOSH post. And he refused to clarify what had apparently gone over my head because he was having much more fun acting as though my every post thereafter reinforced his point or something...which I happily now know wasn't the case

 

[thenammagazine]

Even if I said that initially, and I'm not sure I did, I went on to say ''it just wasn't very interesting, not particularly worth basing an episode around, not brought about in any kind of interesting way''. After that Pixeltwin made his FWOOOOOOSH post. And he refused to clarify what had apparently gone over my head because he was having much more fun acting as though my every post thereafter reinforced his point or something...which I happily now know wasn't the case

In all fairness, not much could be taken from what you said.

It did so in the most boring of ways. Bob and Sasha's character growth arose from deciding whether or not to continue following Maggie...and in the end they decide to...continue following Maggie. Great?

Daryl and Beth's character growth arose from going from a clubhouse to another shelter and on to a house being run out by zombies each time (again it amazes me there's still so many). Daryl had a teenage tantrum about his youth and decides to let an actual teenager make decisions like 'lets burn down our shelter' despite the fact the woods are full of zombie herds. The rest is possible relationship building between him and Beth, fair enough, although that's slightly strange considering the age difference and seemingly everyone wants to see it which is strange to me but OK.

The show needs a Merle or a Shane but they keep killing those guys.

See?

 

[DiFabio]

That actually did happen though . . . and blew. Certainly there were better ways of showing more of Bob and Sasha's characterization than seeing "derp, dunno if we should follow Maggie to find Glenn" for yet another mind numbing weekend.

The actress that plays Sasha had better, more interesting insight about her character on Talking Dead than the actual episode let on.

I actually liked that Bob prologue too, in terms of development (I thought for sure he'd be a goner because of it), the rest of the episode though? Ehhhhh.

 

[a-dev]

In all fairness, not much could be taken from what you said.



See?

Yeah I didn't go into any detail about what I recognised as the character development. But I actually asked Pixel if that's what the problem was, if that was what he was saying had gone over my head (turns out it was) but he declined to confirm one way or another. My point remained though that, such as it was, it didn't make for a great episode. As I saw it that point went Fwoooosh on Pixel, hence the following post of mine -

Err OK. So I guess I'll just arbitrarily say FOOOOOOOOOOSH back at you then since I'm sure I have at least as much reason to do so as you think you did.

Now, you could say that I'm just covering myself and pretending I saw everything that everyone else saw after they conveniently laid it all out for me in those posts I quoted, i.e. you could call me a liar All I can ask is that you take my word for it. I admitted that some of the stuff AllisonAmy posted did not click with with me about previous episodes but with regard to the latest one there wasn't anything subtle about it. It was all there in the actual dialogue. Its not like it relied on blink & miss visual cues. The episode had my full attention, I did get it. I consider myself cleared of all charges.

phew...now I can sleep

 

[AllisonAmy]

I was thinking he took the money for the paper. For fire starting and such.

I didn't think about it that way. It makes sense.

 

[greygoose]

first episode of season 4 if i'm not mistaken

Correct. They found him only a couple weeks before the start of season 4.

I think I need to re-watch the start of season 4.