There was a professor at a college teaching that to some of the students.. Pretty sure he got booted though.
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There was a professor at a college teaching that to some of the students.. Pretty sure he got booted though.
batfan08
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I mean, I’m not saying those attitudes are right, but, considering all the bull**** white people have been responsible for throughout history, there would be a bit of poetic justice to be found in such an occurrence, and I can understand why some people might feel that way.
hockeyflow33
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I mean, I’m not saying those attitudes are right, but, considering all the bull**** white people have been responsible for throughout history, there would be a bit of poetic justice to be found in such an occurrence, and I can understand why some people might feel that way.
Yes things like modern civilization, tv, the internet, space exploration, modern literature, the indoor flushing toilet, comic books, film, air conditioning, the car, the refrigerator, airplanes...
When do I get my cut of the credit if I'm to blame?
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batfan08
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...and, you know, genocide, slavery, religious persecution, imperialism and subsequent forced assimilation, but please, tell me more about how innovative the refrigerator is.
Look, I’m not saying that history exists in a vacuum; that warring tribes weren’t already killing each other, or that we haven’t made a positive impact on society in a myriad of ways; all I’m saying is that it seems like white people have a tendency to overlook all the nasty **** our Caucasian, European brethren had to do to reach those heights you pointed to. By all means, celebrate the accomplishments of white america, but it’s always hilarious to me when we scratch our heads and act like we have no idea why other cultures might have a problem with us.
Lejuan
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batfan08
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You’re Australian, right? Seems like there’s still a lot of ****ed up **** going on over there with regard to the way the government handles aboriginal populations. Sooooo, not exactly ancient history, yeah?
...and, you know, genocide, slavery, religious persecution, imperialism and subsequent forced assimilation, but please, tell me more about how innovative the refrigerator is.
All races are guilty of atrocities in the past, and now. You can't pull out things that have happen generations ago and think that people who are living now are responsible for them.
batfan08
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No, you’re correct. You absolutely can’t say that people who are living now are responsible for them, but what you can do is point out discrepancies in the ways that things that occurred generations ago have impacted people from different cultures in different ways and how white america is either purposefully obtuse to the fact that their cultural experience might not reflect that of someone else’s or the fact that they just don’t care, and, in my mind, both of those attitudes are inherently damaging.
Hell, we like to talk about how the marginalization of Native Americans is in the past, yet, here we are, in 2017, taking what little land they have afforded to them and running a ****ing pipeline through it.
It seems to me like the biggest problem faced by white people in America, today, is being made to feel uncomfortable about ****ing anything in relation to themselves. I’ll be straight with you, I’m a white, heterosexual, male college student: that means I am an utter cliché, but, ultimately, I don’t see the racial problem in America as some incredibly complex issue that’s impossible to solve; I think it goes back to something my mother taught me as a kid, and something i’m sure many mothers have taught their children: “don’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes,” and that idea is nearly universal in its application. When you look at our government, in relation to LGBTQ rights, in relation to women’s reproductive rights, in relation to minorities and, even, religious rights, time and again, there’s this picture of condescension. That “I’m a 70 year old white man and I know what’s best for you.” I don’t know why this **** is such an issue. I really don’t. If someone is black, and says that, as a black person, they face a problem, who am I to question that, when I can never experience what they have experienced in a context relevant to their situation?
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hockeyflow33
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...and, you know, genocide, slavery, religious persecution, imperialism and subsequent forced assimilation, but please, tell me more about how innovative the refrigerator is.
Yea those weren't invented by white people, all of my examples were.
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No, you’re correct. You absolutely can’t say that people who are living now are responsible for them, but what you can do is point out discrepancies in the ways that things that occurred generations ago have impacted people from different cultures in different ways and how white america is either purposefully obtuse to the fact that their cultural experience might not reflect that of someone else’s or the fact that they just don’t care, and, in my mind, both of those attitudes are inherently damaging.
Hell, we like to talk about how the marginalization of Native Americans is in the past, yet, here we are, in 2017, taking what little land they have afforded to them and running a ****ing pipeline through it.
I don’t know why this **** is such an issue. I really don’t. If someone is black, and days that, as a black person, they face a problem, who am I to question that, when I can never experience what they have experienced in a context relevant to that person’s experience?
The media is making it such an issue. Open up yahoo and scan down the stories and see how many are about race these days. And in reading most of them, I think they're purposely there to incite people.
I think the average person doesn't have problems like these. There will always be some of course. I've always lived in a mixed race town and we don't have racial problems here. If there are any problems, it affects us all.
Just like everything else, what is reported is the worse cases and the exceptional cases. Hate sells.
batfan08
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I never said they were, but they were sure as **** perpetuated by white people and white people sure as **** benefitted from them.
I hate myself for being born white.....
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hockeyflow33
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And you know blacks in Africa benefited from selling to slavers right? The English kept the Irish as indentured servants as recently as the early 1900s, Indians ruthlessly slaughtered men, women and children...regularly.
Every type of people have faced hard times, sometimes for hundreds of years.
Here's what they won't teach you in college, life isn't fair, deal with it.
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batfan08
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Yeah, I do know all of those things, and I said as much when I pointed out that history doesn’t exist in a vaccuum and that all cultures have done bad ****. I also don’t think Jeffrey Dahmer’s keeping people’s heads in his freezer somehow excuses Charlie Manson of ordering people murdered, and, again, I’m not saying that, as a white person, I should have to walk down the street and apologize to every minority I see. Hell, I’m half Greek; first generation American on my dad’s side, so, my ancestors weren’t even over here when all that **** went down, but what I’m saying is to be mindful of the ways in which all of those atrocities have positioned us, at a structural level, in a state of white superiority.
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Batfan absolutely BTFO lol
College has trained you well.
batfan08
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But are these problems that are nonexistent, or are they problems that, perhaps, we just weren’t privy to before? On the totem pole of transgressions against minorities, more agressive policing and racial profiling, admittedly, probably weren’t super high up on the list of priorities in black communities, when, 10 years prior, people were being hanged and little girls were being blown up in schools, so, in some respects, I suppose it could be argued as testament to how much progress we’ve made that we are only now addressing it, but I also believe that the history of race in this country opens the door for rationalization to such a degree that we feel “enough progress has been made that these problems aren’t worth addressing.”
I won’t say that everyone experiences these problems. Hell, I’ve spoken to minorities who are huge Trump supporters and who see BLM as a hate group, but that isn’t to say that we should just dismiss those who do experience them by saying “the problem’s with your character, not your skin color,” and it becomes even more sketchy when you take something like the Philando Castile incident. Here we have a black dude with dreads sitting in his car with his girlfriend and daughter, complying with the police officer’s request for his license and registration and informing him of his conceal carry permit and the firearm present in the vehicle. Truth is, had Philando Castile been Phil Castle...
I don’t imagine he would’ve been shot to death in front of his 4-year old daughter, and, while I may not speak for everyone, to me, that’s a ****ing problem and it speaks to the state of denial that we’ve allowed ourselves to embrace in the 21st century when we can look at that and not see it as a problem.
There will always be an oppressor and an oppressed, but it doesnt necessarily have to do with just race. 90% of african american deaths happen at the hands of other african americans ( the same goes for latinos and whites) oppression comes in different forms, the haves and the have nots, some of the worst bullies are from your same race sometimes. Specially if the kid is half white, those kids get beat up a lot, ive seen it. They get bullied to high hell from other latino or african american kids. You want to talk about bullying and harassment, talk to a mixed person...
Lejuan
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erm, yeah, what's your point?
