This is everything wrong with this hobby in one photo.

[Blackthornone]

Wow.

If some of you put this much effort into solving everyday problems that actually affect society then we might be living in a wonderful world today.

Instead it's wasted here over a silly custom made dolly.

I appreciate art, especially as an artist myself, so I think it is important to make an effort to defend it when it comes under any sort of unjust and unfair attack.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I appreciate art, especially as an artist myself, so I think it is important to make an effort to defend it when it comes under any sort of unjust and unfair attack.

That's all fine and dandy and I can respect that.

But I still think it's a waste of time & energy. None of you are going to change each others mindset.

 

[steveo]

That's all fine and dandy and I can respect that.

But I still think it's a waste of time & energy. None of you are going to change each others mindset.

Unfortunately I have to agree.

 

[Blackthornone]

What's the "deeper problem"?



I actually disagree with this part, particularly in Western cultures ... where wearing clothing is SOP. I think it is a bit utopian to expect a red-blooded man to 'appreciate' a naked, or sexily clad, woman absent any sexual overtones.

There is a political movement trying to legalize public female toplessness that shares this utopian view. As if they're just going to prance down the street with their ****s out ... and men aren't going to notice. Reminds me of the shower scene in Starship Troopers. Fat chance.

With a few exceptions, nudity -- even run-of-the-mill nudity like showers or changing clothes -- when done in front of an audience of the opposite gender is inherently sexual. It isn't necessarily sexual when a woman is showering by herself ... but, a wife showering in view of her husband is, even if there's nothing explicitly sexual about it. Changing clothes by yourself isn't necessarily sexual ... changing clothes in front each other is functionally no different from flashing one another. It may not go anywhere ... but it isn't asexual.

I think the same can be said of conspicuously 'sexy' statues. I can't imagine how it would go anywhere ... but the male apprecation of the female form is rarely, if ever, asexual.

I do agree that it isn't "subjugation" though. People with a persecution complex will have no trouble finding persecution everywhere.

SnakeDoc

If there is a deeper problem, it is that human beings aren't divine enough to be happy without art, which is the implication of Star Puffs' objection to the sexy statues. That is the UNDERLYING issue. The sexy statues are only a symptom of that.

I know it is possible for men to view naked women without sexual desire, because there are nudist colonies where men and women live with each other naked, and men don't walk around having erections all of the time. It is a difficult thing to hide when you're naked.
The idea of an inherent association between sexuality and nudity is actually a cultural one, and not an inherently biological one.

 

[crows]

That's all fine and dandy and I can respect that.

But I still think it's a waste of time & energy. None of you are going to change each others mindset.

star puffs will probably ignore the last 3 pages all together

 

[SnakeDoctor]

If there is a deeper problem, it is that human beings aren't divine enough to be happy without art, which is the implication of Star Puffs' objection to the sexy statues. That is the UNDERLYING issue. The sexy statues are only a symptom of that.

I know it is possible for men to view naked women without sexual desire, because there are nudist colonies where men and women live with each other naked, and men don't walk around having erections all of the time. It is a difficult thing to hide when you're naked.
The idea of an inherent association between sexuality and nudity is actually a cultural one, and not an inherently biological one.

Nudist colonies are the exception, not the rule. They've trained themselves to be asexual when naked and co-ed (similar to non-western societies where all the women are topless, for instance). And, I'm not even sure they're a full exception ... subtle sexuality is still sexuality. Either way, the rest of western society just isn't like that.

I never said it was entirely biological.

SnakeDoc

 

[hoodonit00]

The real problem is the motivations that some people have that Star Puffs is CLAIMING that people who make these statues have.

This is my whole problem with her assertations. I collect 1/6 articulated figures. I've wanted to do a bash for years of a barbarian figure in the process of saving a princess from an evil wizard and a snake creature. I pretty much have all the figures just have worked on it in ages. I take great umbrage when someone tries to paint me as some male chauvinist pig who wants to subjugate women when all I'm doing is recreating a fantasy diorama that would be found on the cover of a Conan comic.

 

[hoodonit00]

Wow.

If some of you put this much effort into solving everyday problems that actually affect society then we might be living in a wonderful world today.

Instead it's wasted here over a silly custom made dolly.

I guess if we all took the money we wasted on these collectibles and gave it to the needy the world would be a much better place. You first?

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I guess if we all took the money we wasted on these collectibles and gave it to the needy the world would be a much better place. You first?

I've donated to my community with time and money over that past 10 years.

Your turn.

 

[pixletwin]

Bragging about service is AWESOME.

 

[Blackthornone]

This is my whole problem with her assertations. I collect 1/6 articulated figures. I've wanted to do a bash for years of a barbarian figure in the process of saving a princess from an evil wizard and a snake creature. I pretty much have all the figures just have worked on it in ages. I take great umbrage when someone tries to paint me as some male chauvinist pig who wants to subjugate women when all I'm doing is recreating a fantasy diorama that would be found on the cover of a Conan comic.

To some people, chivalry means the same thing as chauvinism. They believe that to have manners and courtesy is to patronize. I'm not saying that is necessarily Star Puffs, however.

 

[hoodonit00]

I've donated to my community with time and money over that past 10 years.

Your turn.

As have I. I had more written but it is off topic. Have a good day sir.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

As have I. I had more written but it is off topic. Have a good day sir.

Same to you.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

Sixmilliondollarmanguydudebudbro tells me to GTFO all the time.

Umm, we don't even speak to each other.

LMAO!!

Wow, I'm really in your head. I guess you're still following me around.

You really must be upset that I declined your offer for drinks after you talked smack in the sports threads.

 

[Jen]

I have addressed specific issues in the past, which explains my "fan club". Most recently the odd volume of dismissive attitudes towards Elizabeth Shaw, the hero in Prometheus, has concerned me. There again several male collectors have shared my concern as well.

I have to be honest and say that I have not ventured into the Prometheus threads because the arguments between the extreme haters and extreme lovers of the movie usually ends up ruining the thread for me. If it's a discussion that is one thing - but usually it's not...a perfect example is TDKR thread. I can not speak for the other collectors as to why they are dismissive towards Shaw, as I do not know. I enjoyed the movie - but as a character..to me personally, she wasn't as interesting as say Ripley. Maybe that is because this didn't have a lot of action in it (compared to the Alien franchise) and as a whole, though it was an interesting movie, it wasn't quite what I had hoped for as a supposed prequel to Alien.

But as you can see many of people took it as a personal attack, attack on all men, on all female images, etc. when my actual post was a critique of a single custom piece and the specific aesthetic it represents. Honestly I expected it would ignite more debate about East Asian versus Western attitudes, than any of the directions it went.

I think many took it as a personal attack when you mentioned that the character would never be interested in them, even as friends and that they had lost their grip on reality.

We have grown up using different ways to express ourselves and engage people in discussion. Standing on a soapbox, yelling my opinions has never gotten me anywhere. That doesn't mean I don't share my opinions or speak up when I feel disrespected or feel something is wrong. I've just gotten a much more positive response when I talk with people on a more personal level.

I feel that if tried to appeal on a personal level as you suggest, it would have been even uglier based on what happened tonight.

I feel differently, especially since I said most men here have women and children in their lives that they love and respect. But we will never know since that is not the direction you took.

Please go look at the attacks on Anna Sarkeesian, everything from antisemitic comments to rape threats. Some clown even released a "game" called "Beat Up Anna Sarkeesian" where mouse clicks made it appear she had been physically assaulted. That ain't right.

No that is not right and probably the majority of those clowns are young teenage boys. I like to play video games and will not play any public multiplayer games because of the attitudes I have come across when male gamers found out I was a female. They all seemed to be rather young and incredibly immature. I chose to just not deal with them...not worth it. They are nothing but internet fools who probably would not have the ***** to say any of that stuff to me in person. And if I ever did meet them, they are probably not the kind of people I would want to be associated with anyway. There will ALWAYS be people like that. Is it right, no...but this stuff has been going on for ages. Try growing up in a small town in Idaho where you are one of only a handful of minorities. In high school I used to work as a checker at a grocery store and I would seriously have people who would not go through my line, even when it was open, because of the color of my skin. They would wait in another line where there was a white checker. I just laughed. Let them wait in a line...I'll go take a coffee break and relax and not have to wait on their stupid ***.

Many women role models encourage speaking up and lots of academic studies have looked at the differing patterns and perception of women's speech. Yet even mentioning that otherwise uncontroversial reality is apparently "feckless victimhood" according to some:

Women should speak up. But I think the manner in how you choose to speak up is going to correlate strongly with the response that you get. Yes, we do have people that tend to preach about politics, government, religion, conspiracy theories...and look at the responses they tend to get. Lots of eye rolling, silly gifs, etc....No one likes to be preached to...or have a finger pointed at them telling them they are wrong for believing or liking something. Most people would prefer a respectful discussion of differing opinions rather than confrontations and accusations. If you want to have someone look at things differently you do need to take the conversation to a personal level. Because it is exactly that...personal.

 

[crows]

To some people, chivalry means the same thing as chauvinism. They believe that to have manners and courtesy is to patronize. I'm not saying that is necessarily Star Puffs, however.

I have seen this.
On another board people were talking about giving their seats to women if the bus was full, and most women ( I think 90%) in the conversations said that they felt awkward and bad about this, some even felt offended.
They did not like getting men's seats, some said they preferred standing.

Most guys said that they do give their seats to girls on the bus but

one guy said that he never gives his seat, on a bus one time this other old guy said "what's wrong with you why won't you stand up?" his answer was "Sorry I didn't know being a woman was a disability" lol,

 

[devilof76]

Bragging about service is AWESOME.

Deriding humans for needing art is too.

This thread is really going places.

 

[pixletwin]

I would say it's the quality of the ingredients that make a tasty cake.

 

[Blackthornone]

Deriding humans for needing art is too.

This thread is really going places.

You are saying that this thread is actually worse than it began? Based upon the original post, I disagree.

 

[devilof76]

I would say it's the quality of the ingredients that make a tasty cake.

And then the funk that grows on it.