Thor (The Movie) *Spoiler- contains character images*

[The Mike]

Did your preorder HT Thor and if not, did this movie make you change your mind.

I did not order the HT Thor but this film made me go back and do it. I liked Hemsworth's performance that much.

1) Was there an explanation for the Odin-sleep? Did Loki provoke it somehow other than just getting him worked up?

The Odin-Sleep is a state of deep sleep where Odin recharges the Odinforce and is left as vulnerable as a mortal. Think of it like recharging your iPod or rechargable batteries. When the Frost King mentioned that Odin looked weiry it was a reference to that. Also when ****** mentioned that he had been putting it off for so long, it's like when you forget to charge those devices, they just shut off. The duration of the Odinsleep varies from time to time; sometimes it's a single night while other occasions are for more than a week.

2) Why was Odin preparing his sons for the throne? He's the All-Father, so it's not like he's going anywhere. Or am I misunderstanding this?

This is complicated because the Norse mythology is completely splintered and based on interpretation. The Marvel version is no better, the leading thought is that either Odin is killed at the hands of another Immortal or that he ages so much that he requires Odinsleep so much that he passes it off to another because he is no longer the ideal. In the comics this almost occurs a few times with Thor but when Odin bursts back to life he shows he has a bit left in him for while.

Glad you liked it Mike but I would have to totally disagree with you about Hopkins as Odin. Personally, I thought that was yet another perfect casting in this movie.

Really? I like Hopkins as Odin, I thought he brought a commanding presence to the role.

but I've got to respectfully disagree with you about Hopkins. I thought he was one of the highlights of the movie. Now, I stress "movie" here....I'll admit I'm not as well-versed with the comics to have a more solid expectation of how Odin should be...but as far as this movie is concerned, Hopkins was aces!

Here is the thing. In the books Odin always had a certain look.

The reason is because the character itself always had a barreled, boxy look. Hell the basic look of Santa Claus from that region was based on the look of Odin. Sleipnir the eight-legged horse is believed to evolve into the right reindeer in modern portrayals. So Odin should have that Santa look to him, only the Santa that can kick the ____ out of you. Hopkins is none of that.

Hopkins for the most part basically play Hopkins. Any old characters that he portrays in recent times are all basically the same in look and speech. Not to mention he is frail, I can't look past that. They tried through the armor to pad him but it looked strange, Odin's neck practically disappeared in most scenes where you see him because of it. He didn't feel like Odin to me, didn't pull what I needed him to. For me the best actor for the job would have been John Rhys-Davies. He speech, his look (when in make-up) could pull off Odin more than Hopkins could.

Put this in Odin's armor:

and I would be happy. Now it's a really minor knitpick. My wife who had no basis in Thor even after showing pictures of the comic Odin thought he looked fine and as a fan of Thor it definitely wasn't one of those things that ruined the film for me, it was just a momentary "Meh" and then I was right back into the story.

 

[Natrix]

Here is the thing. In the books Odin always had a certain look.

The reason is because the character itself always had a barreled, boxy look. Hell the basic look of Santa Claus from that region was based on the look of Odin. Sleipnir the eight-legged horse is believed to evolve into the right reindeer in modern portrayals. So Odin should have that Santa look to him, only the Santa that can kick the ____ out of you. Hopkins is none of that.

Hopkins for the most part basically play Hopkins. Any old characters that he portrays in recent times are all basically the same in look and speech. Not to mention he is frail, I can't look past that. They tried through the armor to pad him but it looked strange, Odin's neck practically disappeared in most scenes where you see him because of it. He didn't feel like Odin to me, didn't pull what I needed him to. For me the best actor for the job would have been John Rhys-Davies. He speech, his look (when in make-up) could pull off Odin more than Hopkins could.

Put this in Odin's armor:

and I would be happy. Now it's a really minor knitpick. My wife who had no basis in Thor even after showing pictures of the comic Odin thought he looked fine and as a fan of Thor it definitely wasn't one of those things that ruined the film for me, it was just a momentary "Meh" and then I was right back into the story.

Can't see Odin's neck in the comic shots either so your point is moot.

Plus they wanted Hopkins name recognition which a Rhys-Davies doesn't carry. Hopkins had the needed gravitas for the role. He was supposed to be somewhat frail in the movie as you stated for the Odin Sleep storyline.

 

[jye4ever]

Actually Mike, Hopkin's weaker physical appearance goes along with your explanation that he was in need of his Odin sleep.

Maybe that's why they chose Hopkins to play Odin, knowing that while he still possessed manly chops as an actor, he could also portray a man in need of rest.

Besides, Hopkins looked like Santa Claus to me, just a nicely groomed one with a missing eye.

But I also get what you're saying, within the global picture it's just a minor "meh".

 

[The Josh]

I understand wanting somebody bigger (size wise) to play Odin. Acting wise and what he did in the movie Hopkins I think was perfect. Odin in the comics has a bigger role so that is a must but what we see in the movie is more of a leader wise old man type. Which fits Hopkins.

 

[The Mike]

True I guess you could argue the need for Odinsleep fits a frailer Odin but when he awaken, they could have CGI'd him to be taller, bigger but it was a shrug shoulders and move on. Honestly this film belonged to Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleson. Everyone else was just support including Hopkins.

 

[jye4ever]

True I guess you could argue the need for Odinsleep fits a frailer Odin but when he awaken, they could have CGI'd him to be taller, bigger but it was a shrug shoulders and move on. Honestly this film belonged to Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleson. Everyone else was just support including Hopkins.

Ummm, yup...can't argue against that one

I did however like Odin's tortured emotions and crackling voice when he was ripping his son's cape off his shoulders.

That was probably his best scene in the movie.

Mike, one thing is missing from your Thor review though, you didn't come out of the movie with a Thor photo that captured the same attitude of Stark holding his arms out wide open

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Here is the thing. In the books Odin always had a certain look.


The reason is because the character itself always had a barreled, boxy look. Hell the basic look of Santa Claus from that region was based on the look of Odin. Sleipnir the eight-legged horse is believed to evolve into the right reindeer in modern portrayals. So Odin should have that Santa look to him, only the Santa that can kick the ____ out of you. Hopkins is none of that.

Hopkins for the most part basically play Hopkins. Any old characters that he portrays in recent times are all basically the same in look and speech. Not to mention he is frail, I can't look past that. They tried through the armor to pad him but it looked strange, Odin's neck practically disappeared in most scenes where you see him because of it. He didn't feel like Odin to me, didn't pull what I needed him to. For me the best actor for the job would have been John Rhys-Davies. He speech, his look (when in make-up) could pull off Odin more than Hopkins could.

and I would be happy. Now it's a really minor knitpick. My wife who had no basis in Thor even after showing pictures of the comic Odin thought he looked fine and as a fan of Thor it definitely wasn't one of those things that ruined the film for me, it was just a momentary "Meh" and then I was right back into the story.

I respectfully disagree, I think he was great as Odin just because his interpretation made him believable to me. As for the costume, if you had an issue with it, then Thor's costume also deviates from the comics. From those pictures you posted, it very well fits with the look of Hopkins to me who looks rather stocky and puffed up in the movie, even the beard and hair bear similarity. KB could have chosen to make the armor make him look even stockier but he just didn't go that route. Anyways, the build isn't a mandantory, but acting skill is. Heck, Jackson is way to tall to be Wolvie to me but he fit the role well.

I think it was perfect casting.

 

[The Josh]

True I guess you could argue the need for Odinsleep fits a frailer Odin but when he awaken, they could have CGI'd him to be taller, bigger but it was a shrug shoulders and move on. Honestly this film belonged to Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleson. Everyone else was just support including Hopkins.

Agreed that helmsworth and hiddleson were tops.

 

[Darkseed]

Agreed that helmsworth and hiddleson were tops.

Helmsworth was spectacular but Hiddleson owned Loki.........IMO the best Marvel villain to date in terms of appearance and capturing the essence of the character. The performances outright stole the film and carried it during any lapses.

 

[The Mike]

I agree that Hiddleson was the best Marvel villain so far, he definitely brought a sophistication to the role that made him fun to watch and definitely stole every scene that he was in, every time he was on-screen I found myself more interested in what he was doing than anything else. I'm so glad he'll be brought back and I really hope that Marvel Studios doesn't do anything stupid like kill him off.

 

[Darkseed]

I agree that Hiddleson was the best Marvel villain so far, he definitely brought a sophistication to the role that made him fun to watch and definitely stole every scene that he was in, every time he was on-screen I found myself more interested in what he was doing than anything else. I'm so glad he'll be brought back and I really hope that Marvel Studios doesn't do anything stupid like kill him off.

I couldn't agree more.....On a side note, HT better deliver a Loki

 

[The Mike]

I understand why they did an Odin but man do I wish they had done Loki instead. Although I will admit having Odin in the front with Thor and Loki both flanking him would be a fantastic display. If only they made Odin's throne.

 

[Darkseed]

I understand why they did an Odin but man do I wish they had done Loki instead. Although I will admit having Odin in the front with Thor and Loki both flanking him would be a fantastic display. If only they made Odin's throne.

I am still hopeful for Loki. A throne would be awesome. However, I would be tempted to put Loki in the throne...........the scene from the movie was classic.

 

[Blood Electricity]

yeah, loki might still be made.. considering

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he's apparently been named as the/a villain in avengers.

 

[krec9]

hoping for a ht loki it needs to be done

 

[The Mike]

yeah, loki might still be made.. considering

Spoiler

he's apparently been named as the/a villain in avengers.

That is true but who knows if the look will be the same, for all we know he could be a cloud....it is a Marvel film.

In all reality there should be one from that one and this one.

 

[The Josh]

Helmsworth was spectacular but Hiddleson owned Loki.........IMO the best Marvel villain to date in terms of appearance and capturing the essence of the character. The performances outright stole the film and carried it during any lapses.

For me they both owned the roles but I agree the way Loki was played was truly spectacular. He's been the best villain so far I think and am looking forward to just how they use him in the Avengers.


Thinking out loud but when reading the little 4 comic run of Ultimate Thor Lokie disguses himself as

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the red skull

andI'm thinking that would be a cool twist to use.

 

[Kabukiman]

...The Odin-Sleep is a state of deep sleep where Odin recharges the Odinforce and is left as vulnerable as a mortal. Think of it like recharging your iPod or rechargable batteries. When the Frost King mentioned that Odin looked weiry it was a reference to that. Also when ****** mentioned that he had been putting it off for so long, it's like when you forget to charge those devices, they just shut off. The duration of the Odinsleep varies from time to time; sometimes it's a single night while other occasions are for more than a week.



...This is complicated because the Norse mythology is completely splintered and based on interpretation. The Marvel version is no better, the leading thought is that either Odin is killed at the hands of another Immortal or that he ages so much that he requires Odinsleep so much that he passes it off to another because he is no longer the ideal. In the comics this almost occurs a few times with Thor but when Odin bursts back to life he shows he has a bit left in him for while.

Mike with the answers, as always!

 

[Chapter 2099]

Just got back from Thor again! Just as good as the first time!

 

[Natrix]

Mike with the answers, as always!

Or he actually knows how to Google something that others are too lazy to look up themselves...first link on Google goes to a Marvel wiki glossary site that uses the exact same wording other than a few little things he through in himself.

https://marvel.wikia.com/Glossary:Odinsleep

Odinsleep is a state of deep sleep where Odin recharges the Odinforce and is left as vulnerable as a mortal. The duration of the Odinsleep varies from time to time; sometimes it's a single night while other occasions are for more than a week.