Tron Legacy

[ChaserFan]

Eh, I thought the CGI on Clu was fantastic

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Eh, I thought the CGI on Clu was fantastic

I agreed. At some points I thought it was real.

 

[Dusty]

Anybody think Kevin became Gandalf the Grey at that point

That whole end part was ripped straight from LOTR, even the music was reminiscent at that point (showing the army, etc).

And a lot of stuff was ripped straight from Star Wars (the Millennium Falcon fleeing from the Death Star, etc).

And people in my audience actually booed after the 'end of the line' scene. Whoever they had playing the David-Bowie-wannabe was HORRIBLE. That scene reminded me of something else as well (done better in whatever it was), I just can't put my finger on it at the moment.

In my opinion, the whole thing was totally unoriginal and boring (except for the first scene on the Grid - disc wars and lightcycle fights were totally awesome). Way too many writers, way too much information to try to jam into 2 hours, etc. Maybe as a mini-series or TV show this would be better - I have so many questions about the world itself.

And of course the music was cool, but that's no surprise.

4 out of 10 for me.

 

[stshammgod]

There's NO way to realistically hand animate facial movements. You HAVE to do mocap. That is really assinine. No wonder he didn't move convincingly then. They should go over everything again using the data from Bridges' helmet sessions and map that over the face. I am astounded they wouldn't do that considering the complexity of the character. It worked amazingly for Avatar, and that was on blue skinned aliens.

 

[Reinhardt]

I have to agree with you on every point Dusty. I loved the music, and loved the first act (up to the end of the lightcycle sequence, with some reservations), but that's where it ended.

My issues:

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1. Scene when Quorra picks up Sam and takes him to Kevin was basicly ripped right out of Batman Begins. Even the music in that scene.
2. Reference to the old lightcycle was awesome, but they took it nowhere.
3. All this talk of the Iso's changing religion, getting rid of disease, etc... but how? Big profound statements with nothing to back it up.
4. Too much Star Wars. Even the lightjet looked like the Imperial shuttle when parked.
5. Tron? What Tron? Was he even in it? More like Boba Fett.
6. End of Line nightclub scene was completely unnecessary. So now they have nightclubs in a computer?
7. The Merovingian, I mean Zeus, or something like that was WAY over the top, and didn't add anything to the story
8. So out of the blue, at a very convenient time in the story Tron decides to switch sides? Mainly just by hearing Kevin say something?
9. The women dressing up Sam was pointless - yeah they were hot, but they were pointless.
10. While I loved the lightcycle sequence, I didn't like that it was done with an audience, with fireworks and an announcer. In the computer they have Gladiator type combat??

Yeah, it looked very pretty, but after about 30 minutes I got bored of the visuals. They showed nothing new and it just felt like a city, with all lights off, and some cool white neon lights thrown about.

I was really looking forward to this, and really enjoyed the original. No, I wasn't waiting 28 years for this, but ever since it was announced, I had pretty much been counting the days. I didn't expect Shakespeare, but I did expect at least something original.

Still love the soundtrack though, and really hope Daft Punk do more in the future.

 

[herzograven]

There's NO way to realistically hand animate facial movements. You HAVE to do mocap. That is really assinine. No wonder he didn't move convincingly then. They should go over everything again using the data from Bridges' helmet sessions and map that over the face. I am astounded they wouldn't do that considering the complexity of the character. It worked amazingly for Avatar, and that was on blue skinned aliens.

agreed, i was really disappointed to see keyframe animation rather than motioncap - they did it for so many different characters (davy jones, gollum, etc), why the hell couldn't they use it for CLU (the main freaking antagonist in the film!) - don't tell me the budget was an issue

freaking avatar was so well animated (and so damn boring) - they should've borrowed some good techniques from a redundant film to make a good film better

 

[P1X4R]

More like Gandalf the White!
!

"You... Shall... Not... Pass.. Man, you dig?"

 

[CelticPredator]

Dammit, people! Use the spoiler option!

Movie's been out for 3 days. Spoliers equel over....

 

[DinoLast]

That whole end part was ripped straight from LOTR, even the music was reminiscent at that point (showing the army, etc).

And a lot of stuff was ripped straight from Star Wars (the Millennium Falcon fleeing from the Death Star, etc).

And people in my audience actually booed after the 'end of the line' scene. Whoever they had playing the David-Bowie-wannabe was HORRIBLE. That scene reminded me of something else as well (done better in whatever it was), I just can't put my finger on it at the moment.

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Well Obi Wan's end scene in a New Hope is very similar from LOTR Gandalf vs the Balrog.
When Luke finds Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen dead, that has clearly been taken from the Searchers
I find nothing wrong with seeing films that have used other films as an influence
The "David Bowie Wannabe" is played by Michael Sheen, one of the best actors around today.

 

[creature4000]

Incraption ripped of the matrix an shutter island.. so why can't Tron take things for somewhere else???


Nothing is original anymore.

Tron

 

[meth head]

Incraption ripped of the matrix an shutter island.. so why can't Tron take things for somewhere else???


Nothing is original anymore.

Tron

Shows how little you know

Inception was in Nolans mind for the best part of 10 years before filming

 

[ProgMatinee]

ABSO-FN-LUTELY they have gladitorial games inside the computer. They also have nightclubs and other vices.

Its all been established in TRON 1982 that inside the computer is a whole world and the programs have "lives" and amusements.

I guess they failed to explain that fully in TRON Legacy. I think they figured everyone coming in to see TRON: Legacy had accepted the TRON-verse set up from the original.

In TRON, the MCP was appropriating programs for his benefit and persecuting those that did not conform or believed in the USERS. Its a take on the Romans who persecuted the Christians and slaves to play in gladitorial games.

CLU is different than the MCP in that he doesn't really want to steal the programs, but rather wants to ethnic cleanse the grid. His means of doing that and meanwhile desensitizing the other programs around is through the games.

To me, this is the biggest draw of TRON. Not the special effects, but the universe and story it creates. Its like USERS are the gods on Mt Olympus and they press a button and what takes 2 seconds for USERS, could be a lifetime for programs.

Its sort of an updated version of a Greek Mythology story and I like that.

I really don't have a problem with all the rip offs. I feel almost every film these days are blatant rips from scenes of older films. I do have a problem with crap though. I thought Legacy was 1:30 of excellence with about 20-40 minutes of crap (the End of Line Club) in the middle.

The visuals, for me, were pretty breathtaking.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Does anyone have an explanation as to HOW Quorra materializes in the real world??

How are the ISOs supposed to "change" the world???

Why couldn't Flynn just get up on the portal and then blow CLU away and then just delete his program from the real world as opposed to re-integrating with CLU and thus killing himself??

So CLU was going to bring his army through the portal and into Flynns office? Why exactly should we fear video game characters that have materialized?

 

[ChaserFan]

Does anyone have an explanation as to HOW Quorra materializes in the real world??

That's like asking how exactly a physical object can de-materialize, then re-materialize in a digital world. You just have to accept the fact that in the movie, the technology to do that exists.

Also, it's science fiction. And it's a movie.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Does anyone have an explanation as to HOW Quorra materializes in the real world??

How are the ISOs supposed to "change" the world???

Why couldn't Flynn just get up on the portal and then blow CLU away and then just delete his program from the real world as opposed to re-integrating with CLU and thus killing himself??

So CLU was going to bring his army through the portal and into Flynns office? Why exactly should we fear video game characters that have materialized?

Can you explain how Flynn materializes it the computer world? I guess if you accept that part then it shouldn't be hard to accept the reverse...

And f yeah I would fear an army of 100,000 armed people that just materialize out of nowhere.

 

[DinoLast]

Does anyone have an explanation as to HOW Quorra materializes in the real world??

How are the ISOs supposed to "change" the world???

The ISOs are unique digital life that have been created without a User, they are perfection as Flynn has pointed out. They are also able to regenerate missing limbs, those unique traits most likely will carry through the the digitizing laser. If Kevin Flynn and Sam are able to become digital (while keeping their human traits), and then back to flesh, why can't the reverse be possible for the Programs and ISOs?

Why couldn't Flynn just get up on the portal and then blow CLU away and then just delete his program from the real world as opposed to re-integrating with CLU and thus killing himself??

Flynn became trapped the same time CLU turned Evil.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Wow, yes I am aware its a movie and well aware its sci-fi.

But there are some serious plot holes here and I was wondering if perhaps I missed something but since all I got was "its a movie" I'll just chalk it up to bad writing like I originally thought.


Also when is it determined they can regenerate missing limbs? Flynn had to find the defective code, remove it and fix it, she didn't just materialize it out of no where. If they could all regenerate, they wouldn't all be extinct.....

 

[Kuzeh]

Wow, yes I am aware its a movie and well aware its sci-fi.

But there are some serious plot holes here and I was wondering if perhaps I missed something but since all I got was "its a movie" I'll just chalk it up to bad writing like I originally thought.

Kevin Flynn explained that

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he had it figured out, but that he couldn't get out due to the portal closing... all this information was in his Identity disc, and that's why C.L.U. wanted it, so he and his army could materialize in Flynn's real world...

 

[Chigger58]

The ISOs are unique digital life that have been created without a User, they are perfection as Flynn has pointed out. They are also able to regenerate missing limbs, those unique traits most likely will carry through the the digitizing laser. If Kevin Flynn and Sam are able to become digital (while keeping their human traits), and then back to flesh, why can't the reverse be possible for the Programs and ISOs?



Flynn became trapped the same time CLU turned Evil.

Just wanted to chime in that Dino your new sig .

Um...to stay on track though...Tron Legacy 's too!

 

[creature4000]

Shows how little you know

Inception was in Nolans mind for the best part of 10 years before filming

Shows what little you know.. and idea can be an original thought but the execution is what was stolen.