Tron Legacy

[herzograven]

Its all been established in TRON 1982 that inside the computer is a whole world and the programs have "lives" and amusements.

BINGO!!! ... why should they have to go back and explain everything all over again!? because then the complaints would be "well they already explained that, why are they wasting 32.568343 seconds explain all this all over again?"

I guess they failed to explain that fully in TRON Legacy. I think they figured everyone coming in to see TRON: Legacy had accepted the TRON-verse set up from the original.

yup! that was my thinking, already explained it, first film has been around for 28 years, more than enough time to get caught up on

To me, this is the biggest draw of TRON. Not the special effects, but the universe and story it creates. Its like USERS are the gods on Mt Olympus and they press a button and what takes 2 seconds for USERS, could be a lifetime for programs.

Its sort of an updated version of a Greek Mythology story and I like that.

I really don't have a problem with all the rip offs. I feel almost every film these days are blatant rips from scenes of older films. I do have a problem with crap though. I thought Legacy was 1:30 of excellence with about 20-40 minutes of crap (the End of Line Club) in the middle.

The visuals, for me, were pretty breathtaking.

well said

 

[Dusty]

How was there no threat? 100,000 combatants with laser sticks and a GIGANITIC ship....that would be ____ing scary.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How would they ever get a gigantic ship up the portal into Flynn's office? And laser sticks, etc. The "cat suits" even go away, apparently (see Quorra's new look, for example). In fact, where did Sam's "real world clothes" even come from after exiting the Grid? They were lazered off of him.

Whatever... I can definitely "enjoy the film for what it was"... which was a fun, 2-hour long music video. But I can't enjoy it for what it wasn't... a good, solid story.

 

[CelticPredator]

Actually, its Disney's fault that people got confused. If they didnt ____ing pull the movie off the shelves and Netflix to "make a new one for money" or their excuse "so people arent turned off by the effects", then people would get it more. I had to download the thing from YouTube.

 

[CelticPredator]

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How would they ever get a gigantic ship up the portal into Flynn's office? And laser sticks, etc. The "cat suits" even go away, apparently (see Quorra's new look, for example). In fact, where did Sam's "real world clothes" even come from after exiting the Grid? They were lazered off of him.

Whatever... I can definitely "enjoy the film for what it was"... which was a fun, 2-hour long music video. But I can't enjoy it for what it wasn't... a good, solid story.

You know, you did watch a movie where people fight in a computer world with ships, light bikes, water, rain all inside a small mainframe in the Dude's little computer hideout. So, if that's possible, then why cant a gigantic huge space ship emerge from a laser? Who's to say it couldnt? I'm not going to put theories into it, because I dont need to.

Flynn said with the disc CLU could get out. How? Who cares!? It's a kids movie. It has a simple story, basic themes, and a good moral message, no better or worse then AVATAR. I'd like to point that out. This movie is on the same level as Avatar. But yet, Avatar made billions for some reason.

I only mention these two, because unlike the Avatar vs Inception debate, these are far more closer to each other. I like both movies. The only problem is, one is way overrated and has a creepy fan base....the other, thankfully, does not have a creepy fan base, but is IMO underrated. It aint perfect. But it did it's job.

I dont think people realized it was a kids movie...but I do digress.

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When you ANALlyze it, the movie makes no sense. You just accept the fact that this is what happens. If you cant buy it...then you cant buy it.

 

[CelticPredator]

And btw, if you thought this story was bad, you'd HATE Tron.

All that movie is about is the Dude trying to get credit for making video games. That's it.

 

[Dusty]

Actually, its Disney's fault that people got confused. If they didnt ____ing pull the movie off the shelves and Netflix to "make a new one for money" or their excuse "so people arent turned off by the effects", then people would get it more. I had to download the thing from YouTube.

So you're telling me that if I watch the first one, I will understand how CLU plans to get 100,000 programs (and whatever else) up through the tiny portal (one-by-one, with Flynn's single identity disk) and then organize them in Flynn's arcade to somehow take over the world? And besides... doesn't the portal close after like 8 hours (or whatever was explained to make it so time-sensitive)? Sending them up one-by-one would sure as heck take a lot longer than that! Well, I'm watching it tomorrow night (FINALLY found someone who owns it so I could borrow it).... so I will let you know if it satisfactorily answers that question

 

[CelticPredator]

You'll hate it. If you question that detail, you wont even make it past the first 10 minutes.

You already know how he's going to get 100,000 progams into the real world....with Flynn's disc. This isnt the Matrix. It's not a movie made just for people older then 30 who can hack into anything....it's made for kids. Simple plot points....."CLU HAS TO GET THIS IN ORDER TO DO THIS."

Ok. Now STOP IT!

 

[Dusty]

You know, you did watch a movie where people fight in a computer world with ships, light bikes, water, rain all inside a small mainframe in the Dude's little computer hideout. So, if that's possible, then why cant a gigantic huge space ship emerge from a laser? Who's to say it couldnt? I'm not going to put theories into it, because I dont need to.

The thing is... writers are tasked with establishing a universe, WITH RULES. When they don't follow their own rules, that's not very fair - and leads to a break down in the script/plot (funny you mention Inception, because that's the way the dream landscapes were explained - the Architects as an allegory for screenwriters). When they break the rules of the universe they have created, they are, essentially, cheating to try to get you to care about what happens. And that's annoying to me.

I'm a huge fan of Transformers, as you all know. Freakin' ridiculous concept - alien robots?! It's not a serious movie, and it doesn't try to be. .... But it follows the rules of the universe it has established. Tron: Legacy tries WAY too hard to be serious, without the script to back it up. From what I've heard about the first, I imagine I will like it much better - the actors apparently ham it up and have fun with it.

Tron: Legacy is trying really hard to be The Matrix or something "deep". But with way less well-defined (and followed) rules. Thus, it's very pretty to look at and listen to... but is ultimately forgettable because its concepts and themes have been deal with in much more memorable ways (script-wise, not visual-wise - again, no argument with the visuals) in previous films.

(I also disliked AVATAR greatly. But once again, not for the visuals. Those were definitely awesome.)

 

[Dusty]

You'll hate it. If you question that detail, you wont even make it past the first 10 minutes.

You already know how he's going to get 100,000 progams into the real world....with Flynn's disc. This isnt the Matrix. It's not a movie made just for people older then 30 who can hack into anything....it's made for kids. Simple plot points....."CLU HAS TO GET THIS IN ORDER TO DO THIS."

Ok. Now STOP IT!

No, YOU stop it

I'm gonna go see Black Swan again.

 

[CelticPredator]

I dont see how it didnt follow the rules. The first Tron didnt really set up very much rules either...other then this takes place in one mainframe. The Master Control Progam is taking every program it can find, and making it play games to the death.

Both movies arent very well written. They both existed for the effects.

Only Legacy did try a bit harder to give it a story, and a real threat. I dont know why you buy the computer world with earth like atomosphers, but cannot accept the idea that CLU would bring his big ol space ships through the portal. Never said the portal could only take things bigger then a person. .

 

[CelticPredator]

No, YOU stop it

I'm gonna go see Black Swan again.

How can I stop CLU?????????

And if that damn movie would make it's way over here, that'd be nice too.

 

[Dusty]

I dont see how it didnt follow the rules. The first Tron didnt really set up very much rules either...other then this takes place in one mainframe. The Master Control Progam is taking every program it can find, and making it play games to the death.

Both movies arent very well written. They both existed for the effects.

Only Legacy did try a bit harder to give it a story, and a real threat. I dont know why you buy the computer world with earth like atomosphers, but cannot accept the idea that CLU would bring his big ol space ships through the portal. Never said the portal could only take things bigger then a person. .

Well, then, that would be kind of like setting your hyperdrive route to end with your spaceship inside a planet, wouldn't it? Sure, maybe the rules for the Grid aren't well-defined, but the rules for the "real world" are. Plus, identity disks, light cycles, etc - none of that stuff from the Grid works in our world - why on earth would a giant space ship?

(and since you mentioned it - the water and organic food stuff bugs me too - but I'm totally willing to let that go for the bigger issues)

 

[Dusty]

I'm having entirely too much fun, but I really do need to go to sleep.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh indeed it was. I dont need to sleep, I need to get working on my Deadpool movie.

 

[Biojex]

So you're telling me that if I watch the first one, I will understand how CLU plans to get 100,000 programs (and whatever else) up through the tiny portal (one-by-one, with Flynn's single identity disk) and then organize them in Flynn's arcade to somehow take over the world? And besides... doesn't the portal close after like 8 hours (or whatever was explained to make it so time-sensitive)? Sending them up one-by-one would sure as heck take a lot longer than that! Well, I'm watching it tomorrow night (FINALLY found someone who owns it so I could borrow it).... so I will let you know if it satisfactorily answers that question

I dont think they'd need to go one by one. Sam and Quorra went at the same time.

 

[nathanial91]

I just had a thought, if the laser works the same way as it did in TRON, it would take hours for the ship to stream out of the Grid if CLU managed to pull it off... just saying.

 

[stshammgod]

Spoiler

There is no way the ship would be able to materialize in the real world. It's too big. I think the ship was just a means to get the troops to the portal.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

I'm with SideshowDusty. The entire finale came off very anticlimatic because I also didn't view CLU as getting out as a threat to the planet. All their weapons and the ship might MIGHT materialize (but since we don't see Sam driving on his light bike at the end I doubt it) but even if they did, the energy that powers them in the grid doesn't exist in our world.

So they would be harmless except I guess they'd run around for awhile until the army rolled in and took them out lol.

This isn't like an alternate universe where the same "rules" apply ie a terminator traveling back in time. This is a computer world that is going to materialize into the real world where everything they are built on, live on DOES NOT exist.

I would of found it be a much more real threat if CLUs plan was to get out of the GRID and into the "system" and take it over basically setting off skynet lol. That would be more believeable, he is getting out of the isolated system and into our system network where he would then become the new MCP. Where his "rules" still apply.

 

[Kuzeh]

I'm having entirely too much fun, but I really do need to go to sleep.

You liked Revenge of the Fallen!!!
Why would you care about story and following rules?
Bay said Megatron couldn't transform into a pistol due to some "matter cannot shrink" crap, yet the Cube does shrink?...
He said Megatron wouldn't be in TF2 yet there he was...
Transformers doesn't follow any rules either...

Any movie eventually will have to overlook something in order to move forward...
You can't compare a movie like Black Swan to Tron... come on!!
Besides, you can question every single movie there is...

For example:

-In Star Wars, why don't the Jedi switch off each others lightsabers during a combat using the Force?
- In back to the Future, why doesn't Lorraine or George question why their son looks exactly like "Calvin Klein"?
- In Empire Strikes Back, how exactly does Luke get trained by Yoda in about 2 days...?
- In Transformers, why don't the Decepticons hack into Ebay and buy the glasses from Sam?
- How do the cars in Cars reproduce?
- In the new Star Trek movie, what are the odds of Kirk arriving to the exact planet where old Spock is?...
- In Edward Scissorhands, at the end, he's carving ice sculptures... how did he managed to get the ice up there when he can barely grab a fork?
- In The Dark Knight, why do the police decide that a maniac like the Joker can be guarded by one dumb cop in the interrogation room?...
- In Terminator 2, how can the T-1000 travel in time when only organic tissue can do it, as established in the first movie?

I understand you didn't like the movie, but the reasoning behind it seems a bit "over-analyzing it" and quite "nitpicky" IMO

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I understand you didn't like the movie, but the reasoning behind it seem a bit "over-analyzing it" and quite "nitpicky" IMO

I find this is why a lot of people don't like many movies.