I'm not trying to make excuses for Shogun, but wasnt he injured when he took that fight? He looked completely different in that fight compared to after that fight; he had 0 cardio for that fight. I have no feelings for Griffin either way, but he just hasnt accomplished enough to get respect amognst many fight fans imo. I give him the Rampage win, but he hasnt beaten a lot of talent. He is a good fighter, but not a top fighter. I think the way he performed in the Silva fight led to a lot of ppl just laughing at him now. But now that I think about it, with Ramp coming off of a horrible performance, why not have those 2 go at it again. I would love to see that.
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I'm not trying to make excuses for Shogun, but wasnt he injured when he took that fight? He looked completely different in that fight compared to after that fight; he had 0 cardio for that fight. I have no feelings for Griffin either way, but he just hasnt accomplished enough to get respect amognst many fight fans imo. I give him the Rampage win, but he hasnt beaten a lot of talent. He is a good fighter, but not a top fighter. I think the way he performed in the Silva fight led to a lot of ppl just laughing at him now. But now that I think about it, with Ramp coming off of a horrible performance, why not have those 2 go at it again. I would love to see that.
kobayashi93
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Ha.Those are my two favorite beatings of Bob Sapp. Nog could take so much punishment back in the day...
NosferatuBill36
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Yes, he was injured. But I come from the group of fans that understand that NO MMA fighter is 100% in every fight. As you get older, it becomes more and more difficult to retain an "injury-free" body.
Every fighter walks into a fight with ailments. Some worse than others. That's just the fight game.
I was also raised to believe that a fight is a fight is a fight. Every fighter can make any excuse they want(and most, like Tito, will), but that doesn't change the outcome. If anything, it does a disservice to the fighter that won.
Like Rampage, who gave all the credit in the world to Griffin after their fight, all of a sudden, had every excuse in the book the next day. Liek Noguiera, after his fight with Mir. Frankly, I'm sick of it. That's why I like fighters like Guillard, Bonnar, Faber, Griffin, Franklin, etc. who do not make excuses.
Ever.
Excuses are like ***holes, everybody's got one.
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yeah true.I'll bet his stories would be something like this except he is the Hulk and the ladies are all Japanese.
Oh yeah, Sideshow make this your next Marvel dio. Make it happen.
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NosferatuBill36
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^^^^^ That's almost EXACTLY what I was thinking : )
Devil_666
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Shogun was injured for that fight. Yes. He hurt his knee during training, re-injured it during the fight and required surgery for it afterwards.
But here's the thing.. and no one ever really mentions this tidbit: Forrest was ALSO injured during that fight.
He had a shoulder injury that had apparently been a problem for him for awhile, re-injured it during the fight and required surgery for it afterwards (just like Shogun).
https://www.mmamania.com/2007/10/16/report-forrest-griffin-to-have-shoulder-surgery/
Everyone always says Forrest beat an injured Shogun but the truth is, an injured Shogun was choked out by an injured, one armed Forrest.
But here's the thing.. and no one ever really mentions this tidbit: Forrest was ALSO injured during that fight.
He had a shoulder injury that had apparently been a problem for him for awhile, re-injured it during the fight and required surgery for it afterwards (just like Shogun).
https://www.mmamania.com/2007/10/16/report-forrest-griffin-to-have-shoulder-surgery/
Everyone always says Forrest beat an injured Shogun but the truth is, an injured Shogun was choked out by an injured, one armed Forrest.
daikkenaurora
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lol I have plenty of respect for Forrest since he has come along way as a fighter... but if he fights Machida, I prefer Machida to win. Nothing wrong with that.
NosferatuBill36
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Nope. Nothing wrong with that at all. I'd take Machida in a bet as well.
I just think Griffin is someone that should never be counted out
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daikkenaurora
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Nope. Nothing wrong with that at all. I'd take Machida in a bet as well.
I just think Griffin is someone that should never be counted out
Very true. I was really looking forward to him fighting Silva because I thought he might be a decent match and get the upset... but then Silva made him look silly.
sscalltheway
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Does anyone know the betting odds for the main/co-main events? And where I could look in the future to find out. I'm going to start putting money down.
NosferatuBill36
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I was looking forward to it as well, but on paper it was just a baaaaaad match-up for Griffin.
Silva is probably the best counter-striker in the sport and Forrest is aggressive and slow, with ZERO KO power.
What happened is...well...what should've happened.
I'm confident there are tough match-ups for Anderson at LHW, but Forrest is simply not one of them.
I'm expecting similar destruction when Silva fights Chael. Sonnen talks a lot of ****, but he's in for a rude awakening against Anderson.
daikkenaurora
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Chael may talk alot of trash but he knows he's in for one tough fight. He even said in an interview " If Chael Sonnen cant get Silva to the ground, then Chael gets his ass kicked" and yes he spook in 3rd person.
Devil_666
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Devil_666 thinks it's stupid when people speak in 3rd person.
daikkenaurora
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NosferatuBill36
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sscalltheway
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Looks like Rampage vs Lil Nog for UFC 119, nothing official but apparently they have verbally agreed.
Devil_666
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Dana White already confirmed it.
daikkenaurora
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No rematch with Brilz?
If Rampage v Lil Nog does happen, I hope its the main event.
If Rampage v Lil Nog does happen, I hope its the main event.
Devil_666
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Well UFC 119 is on September 25, 2010.
UFC 116 = HW Title Main Event
UFC LHW Champ Shogun is out until atleast October (Knee Surgery)
UFC 117 = MW Title Main Event
UFC WW Champ GSP won't fight Kos until TUF 12 is over. That show starts September 15, 2010.
UFC 118 = LW Title Main Event
There's no Championship matches to bump Rampage vs. lil Nog. So the only way I see it being a co-main event (2nd to last fight) is if they get two HW's to fight.
Another fight that's looking likely is Gonzaga vs. Mir at UFC 120 (England). Makes sense.
UFC 116 = HW Title Main Event
UFC LHW Champ Shogun is out until atleast October (Knee Surgery)
UFC 117 = MW Title Main Event
UFC WW Champ GSP won't fight Kos until TUF 12 is over. That show starts September 15, 2010.
UFC 118 = LW Title Main Event
There's no Championship matches to bump Rampage vs. lil Nog. So the only way I see it being a co-main event (2nd to last fight) is if they get two HW's to fight.
Another fight that's looking likely is Gonzaga vs. Mir at UFC 120 (England). Makes sense.
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