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The smart ass answer is CGI.

It's ink sandwiched between 2 pieces of material. He found a dress made out of the stuff and cut and sewed it into a mask. I assume it moves as he changes his expression beneath the mask.

Yep, it was the newest in a Dr. Manhattan clothing line. (We assume inspired by his ability to tinker, AND MAKE PEOPLE FAAAAABULOUS!):lol

Kitty Genovese, the woman scheduled to pick it up from the clothing company Rorschach worked at as a young man, thought the dress was ugly. He disagreed and thought it was beautiful. Eventually it took the dress home and learned to cut it using heated tools, in time manufacturing his mask... the reasons he has for making the mask, well, I recommend you see read the graphic novel to get the adequate gut-punch as to why (though I hope the movie does that justice as well).
 
Then again, I saw many 18-rated movies as a kid and it didn't do me any harm.

I let my son watch movies above his age level since he is pretty advanced emotionally and intellectually (and he has a modest father to boot!). I think a responsible parent knows what is and is not acceptable for their children, and when the movie is rated above the child's age, then that parent better see if first before making a decision.

That said, the political themes would be boring for my son and that would only leave a superhero movie where the "heroes" are depraved. And rape throws this film 100% out the window. He wants to see it because he loves superheroes. Hopefully there will be enough material in there for me to make a custom cut for him when the DVD is released, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
If you take your kids to see "The Watchmen," you're a moron.

Good thing I don't have kids.

If you see it yourself, you're also probably a moron and a vapid, indecent human being.

Damn it. Oh well. :dunno

The movie arrives in theaters at Midnight, Thursday Night.

I really wish I could make it tonight.

It's rated "R"--which should kinda sorta be a hint--but it really deserves an "NC-17," at the very least.

Cool!

And plenty of clueless parents brought their young kids and kept them there for the entire almost three hour "experience" at the screening I attended.

I read the original Comics when I was eight. I wish my parents took that much of an interest in my childhood pursuits.

Yes, I know, it's being heavily marketed as a superhero movie, with action figures for your kids. But that--and the heroic-looking movie trailer--are a big, fat lie.

Its a lie? There are no heroes in it?!?!? *gasp

And that's where real parenting comes in . . . like actually investigating the movie before you take or send your kids to see this garbage.

Ah....so I see anyone who actually takes their kids to Watchmen isn't a real parent....

In fact, as a movie critic who sees most new releases, I haven't seen a more violent, depraved movie in years (not to mention a longer, more boring movie with a more preposterous and silly plot).

Cool! :rock

This movie makes the graphic bloodshed of the recently released "Friday the 13th" look like "Cinderella."

And to think....they cut Jason riding around in a pumpkin because it wasn't realistic enough...

This really isn't a superhero movie at all. In fact, there was little "superheroing" until after the second hour of this nearly three-hour exercise on defining deviancy down.

Hmmmm....so this reviewer doesn't enjoy character development.

Some on the right are claiming this is a conservative movie because it's made by some of the same people as "300" (read my review). But this is no "300."

Right....this is Watchmen....someone should explain to her that movies are different even if the same people are in them or making them....

(And that wasn't for kids either, but this is far much less so.)

The rated "R" tipped me off already but okay

A few lines of dialogue by the character "Rorschach" deriding "liberals and intellectuals" doesn't excuse the nearly three hours of poison here. In fact, the movie kind of has a peacenik-themed ending and "message" regarding nuclear weapons. If this move is "conservative," who the heck needs liberal?

So this person has no clue that Rorschach is extremely conservative and that nuclear issues are one of the underlying motifs.....hurm.

There were so many disgusting, violent, morbid, grisly scenes and acts of killing, I had to start writing them down, lest I forget.

Oh....goody. Let's see.


And that's in addition to the rape scene between superheroes (complete with violent beating of a female superhero)

I believe it was an attempted rape....did they change that?

and an explicit sex scene between two other superheroes.

I forgot that Superheroes don't have sex...

Oh, and don't forget another superhero's swinging computer-generated ^^^^^ frequently in your face on-screen.

So the fact he was naked made her suddenly think there'd be no dong? If he is 40 feet tall.....well.....do the math.

In just the opening credits of this mindless celluloid claptrap, there's a lesbian take-off on the famous photo of a woman kissing a sailor in Manhattan who is returning victorious from World War II. The lesbian make-out scene, featuring a "superhero," is bad enough.

So there were no lesbians in the 1950s...apparently never lesbian superheroines and they shouldn't kiss....I'm learning so much.

But then, we see cops looking over their naked, bloodied, dead bodies on a bed, with the words "LESBIAN WHORES," written in blood on the wall.

So....apparently they didn't get the hate crime in there....and how even superheroes are subject to this kind of violence...

Mommy, mommy, what's a lesbian? What's a whore? And remember, this is just the opening credits.

Because if they never see it, it'll never happen. Honestly if you aren't ready to have this conversation with your kids or any conversation about any subject matter in a film with your kids you don't take them to the movie...every parent I've ever met know this basic fact. So if a parent takes their kid wouldn't you give them the benefit of the doubt that they'd have this conversation and be willing talk about it?

The "plot" of this movie--if you can call it a plot--is that there were costumed superheroes in the '40s and beyond. They grew old, but some of them didn't.

What? :lol

Then a new crop of costumed superheroes with special powers cropped up, some of whom were related to the older ones and some who still remained from the older group.

Only one has actual powers.

But they all retired.

What an interesting way to avoid the Keene Act.

Now, a superhero known as "The Comedian"--who is also a rapist and shot a Vietnamese woman who was pregnant with his kid (all of which we see depicted on-screen)--is murdered, and some of the superheroes, "The Watchmen," get back together to find out who did it.

Insert Wolf Face Palm here.

At the same time, the Soviets are about to nuke America. It's 1985 and Nixon is President. We've won in Vietnam. Oh, and Henry Kissinger has a Russian accent. And Ronald Reagan is thinking of running for President in 1998. Wow, isn't that cool that they got it wrong on purpose? I'm so amazed at this "high-brow art" of deliberately getting dates and timelines wrong, you know, just to be "artistic," and get the drooling of the critics. That is sooooo genius. Like way totally cool.

Ugh. Its like she was doing something else and then checked in during bits and pieces.

Maybe if I make a movie about how Eisenhower was President in 1972, we "lost" World War II, and Bin Laden was gonna bomb the World Trade Center then, I'll be cool, too. . . so long as it's "dark" and I include a bunch of rape, torture, explicit sex scenes, and extremely graphic killings, and oh, write a "graphic novel" a/k/a comic book about it, first.

God. I want to punch her square in the mouth.

In the midst of this stupid story, we're treated to the following:

Oh goody.

* Dogs fighting over, tearing apart, and eating a six-year-old girl--we're shown them chowing down on and tearing apart the remaining leg and leg bone, with the sock and shoe still on the bone as the dogs wrestle over it;

Of course she forgets the build up and connotations behind it.

* A close up of man repeatedly getting an axe-blade driven through his skull while he's being butchered;

See post above.


* At least two very graphic scenes of naked superhero "Dr. Manhattan" vaporizing people to just blood, limbs, and guts hanging from the ceiling or spread in the snow;

What did she think is in people? Puppydog tails, candy and fluffy clouds?

* Many scenes of Dr. Manhattan's computer generated ^^^^^ swinging about;

Someone should sit her down and explain....girls are innies and guys are outies.

* A kid biting a giant, bloody chunk of flesh out of another kid's face--he grows up to be "Rorschach," one of the superheroes' compatriots;

How else do you become a sociopath?

* A man's hands and arms being sawed off with an electric saw--we're shown the bloody stumps and the bloody sawed off limbs in close up shots;

Hands + Saw = Stump....seems right to me.

* A man with vat of hot french fry oil deliberately thrown over his head--we literally see him fry, and he ultimately dies, we're told (no kidding);

So they are speaking out against the Fast Food industry too....

* Many, many scenes of people's hands, arms, fingers being broken in half or crunched by the "superheroes";

Heroes don't harm...they stand and tell people to stop and they do! Got it.

* Cops being set on fire and burning to death by superhero compatriot "Rorschach;"

How else was he supposed to get out?

* Superhero "The Comedian" (a bad Robert Downey, Jr. look-alike) brutally beating and raping another superhero;

He looks more like Javier Bardiem and what does the RDJ reference have anything to do with the movie? Again...in the comics its an attempted rape....was that changed?

* Superhero "The Comedian" shooting and killing a Vietnamese woman because she's pregnant with his kid;

Forget the fact that she sliced his face open or the conversation about the moral checkpoint that Manhattan has just hit considering the usage of his powers and his failure to intervene.

* Superhero "The Comedian" being thrown off a roof of a tall building--we see his body hit the ground and the blood flow out;

Again...when you are thrown off a building bodies never hit the ground and if they do Jiffy Pop comes flying out.

* Two superheroes have an explicit sex scene in a spaceship--she's on top, then he's on top, awesome--you can teach your young kids multiple sexual positions before they even reach puberty, by taking them to see this (there's a less explicit sex scene between the slutty superheroine and another superhero not long before that).

Because if they just did missionary it'd be cool. Let's not even get into the slutty comment.

And these are just the highlights, plus superheroes hurling obscenities--great for the kiddies. There's so much more--along with horrible make-up, bad acting, and terrible computer generated images (including the ^^^^^). Not to mention, a bad, extremely slow, and boring script.

What is funny is that she fails to show any plot issues she just knitpicks on the visuals.....she hasn't made me even think that she even saw the movie but the multiple trailers, behind the scenes, etc. :confused:

Yup, this is the garbage that Rupert Murdoch's Fox and Warner Brothers and Paramount are marketing toward your kids.

I don't believe this has been marketed to any kids. I didn't see Manhattan-Os on the shelf. The only place I've seen any action figures is at TRU because they carry DC Direct...other than that you'd have to go the an LCS or online....in fact the marketing towards children was almost completely eliminated?

All of these studios have a piece in this movie. And even thought the budget was just $100 to $125 million, because of a long legal battler between WB and Fox, the legal fees and pay-out make it such that they must recoup at least $200 or 300 million and make a profit. To do so, they are pimping the movie to all niches, especially your young kids.

This is one of the dumbest statement I've ever read.

But just because shameless whores and crack dealers of Hollywood deal this stuff out, doesn't mean you have to buy it and poison your kids' minds with it.

Hollywood isn't made up of all shameless whore and crack dealers...

Remember the morons I told you about who took their kids to see the latest "Friday the 13th," last month? Well, they were back with their kids at a Monday Night screening of this horribly depraved, whacked out movie.

I wonder what would happen if they saw her on the street? :lol

Remember the White single mother who told me her ten-year-old son could see it because "he knows it's not real and he knows the difference between right and wrong"? Well, she was back with her ten-year-old, and they waited in line for at least two hours with their free pass to get in to this screening, I'm told. I saw them walking out at the end.

This oughta be interesting. Why she mentions white single mother has me scratching my head.

Her son is going to grow up to be messed up. Don't do the same to your kid.

No reasoning behind this Nstradamus?

And do yourself a favor, too. Save the ten bucks and the three hours of your life you'll never get back. And the nightmares of some guy's bloody, sawed-off arms and hands still clinging to the doors of a jail cell.

Its three hours? Cool!


I don't just worry that this is the new superhero movie being marketed to your kids today. I worry about the ones that will be even more depraved a decade from now. G-d help this country (minus Hollywood).

What is funny is as a review itself it sucks. It ^^^^^es about the various parts without focusing on the film itself, its plot, whether it tells a compelling story. Its almost like she was so hung up about the visual images and shocked that a superhero movie has this side to it that she forgot she is a film reviewer. I don't have a problem with negative reviews....when they are actual reviews. Ugh. :rolleyes:
 
Eh. I was bored while my students were taking a test. I thought I'd multiquote...although it doesn't really count since its all based on one quote.
 
And a new mult-quote champion is crowned! :clap

Though, I don't know if it counts since you didn't quote Freaks.
 
Yeah, that review was hilariously idiotic. She talked about it like she knew absolutely NOTHING about the comic itself or anything about Watchmen at all besides what she saw in the previews.

And it is not her place to question another parent's decision to let their kids watch this movie. My parents subjected me to R rated films like Friday the 13th or Halloween as early as I can remember... I'm fine, I look a little scary... but I am a good person without any gigantic mental issues. I just don't get people who are like that, it harms your children more to shelter them from fear and the darkness of the world than it is to show them the darkness and try to explain what that actually means.

And her comment about Nixon was really the highlight of her stupidity in this review, it shows a complete lack of time spent on research and fact checking... makes her look like she doesn't know what she is talking about... Which she obviously doesn't.

I wish I had her address... I would show up at her house naked and painted blue... so I could beat her senseless with my massive blue wang. :lol
 
And a new mult-quote champion is crowned! :clap

Though, I don't know if it counts since you didn't quote Freaks.

I believe I still have that crown but this doesn't beat it I believe. My record is 126 Multi Quotes all from various posters in one message. :lol

As for Schlussel....maybe if she got more dong she wouldn't be obsessed with it on screen....something tells me its a ice cavern down there...I researched her though after this review and it seems that this is her schtick. Check this response to the NBA All-Star Game:

"Yet again, the NBA--at this weekend's All-Star game--contributes to the high-brow in American culture. I guess we should be happy that this crummy strip-tease act includes no 4-letter words nor pimps and hos. In case you were wondering, this group of "dancers" calls themselves the Jabbawockeez and with Shaq, they're called the Shaqawockeez. I guess I should have called this, "Your Day in Ebonics on Parade." What's that sound I hear? The worms rustling as Marcel Marceau turns over in his grave."

This I guess is just another thing to make her shocking.

She did though post a response to her article because I guess she was bombarded by emails:

"Watchmen" Fanatic Derangement Syndrome: Disease of the Pretentious Slacker Ignorami; "Watchmen" Was Anti-Reagan Rant; "Not Marketed to Kids" on "American Idol"


By Debbie Schlussel

I guess I shouldn't be amazed at the number of slacker ignoramuses who are up in arms about my frank review cutting down the absolute crap they worship a/k/a "The Watchmen", coming out in theaters late tonight. The e-mails they send me and the comments they make about how "deep," "edgy" and "profound" this vile piece of trash (which is none of these) is, reminds me of the blind statements of followers of Jim Jones. And we all know what happened after they drank he purple Kool-Aid. If only this movie could achieve that result, it would be the most fantastic exercise in natural selection ever conducted in America.

But sadly, there is no instant cure or sudden death for "Watchmen" Fanatic Derangement Syndrome. You can read some of the so infected and diseased in the comments section of my review. But I've received a ton of vile, obscene, and just plain stupid and obnoxious e-mails because I dared call this trash wrapped in the guise of a high brow graphic novel what it is: pure garbage.


Oh, and by the way, to all of you slacker Watchmen defenders and fanatics--who resemble the many respondents on "Jay Walking," yet are suddenly the self-appointed intellectual lights of our world--grisly is grisly, and gratuitous, graphic violence serves no positive or useful purpose in our society, even if you read it first in a comic book. You're a bunch of dummies with no moral compass, but liking this stupid comic book which pretends violence and the depraved is "edgy" or "sophisticated," makes you feel smart. When you're actually quite stupid. But now, with this movie, you've got pretentious stupidity. You don't realize you're still just as dumb, you're IQ just as low and probably lower.

And, yes, you future citizens of "Idiocracy," it's a comic book. Quit your pretentious drivel about this being important because it's a "graphic novel." Memo to the creators of Richie Rich and Archie: You missed your calling. If only you'd called your product a "graphic novel" and added scenes of Archie raping Betty and Veronica and Jughead sawing off Reggie's Arms, you'd be in businesss. Dummies.

It's frankly hilarious to read the arrogance of the ignorami, telling me I don't have "cultural literacy" because I don't like a movie based on a comic book promoting rape, torture, and brutal killing. Here's a tip to you clueless wonders: You can't have culture literacy when there ain't culture. Just like I'd be wrong to call this a clash of civilizations, because then we would be wrongly assuming that there is civilization on your end.

While most of the e-mails are vile and stupid, most of them are so pretentious and self-important, they'd be best saved for open poetry reading night at the local college coffeehouse. That's the only place where your fertilizer has willing consumers (and at at the box office on Friday, where I'm sure this crap will be a huge hit for your pretentious geeky slacker losers with no life and absolutely no sense of decency or class).

You keep writing me these deranged e-mails about how I "don't understand the background" and that it was exactly the same in "the graphic novel." Get a clue: That I didn't first look at a comic book picture of a rape scene before seeing the same in a movie is a distinction without a difference. That you did, is a distinction with merit, i.e., that you're an idiot who spends valuable time and money on idiocy and depravity. You are what you eat.

And you are no better than the lumpenproletariat lowlifes at the Coliseum who orgasmically watched Christians forced to fight animals. You are no different, and you are essentially chomping at the bit to go see the modern-day version, tonight. With people like you populating America and dominating pop culture offerings, I have no doubt that soon enough we will return to the days of the barbaric live animal-beast shows. You salivate at the chance to watch barbarism tonight. That's who you are.

Why not just watch "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"? At least that was honest about what it is and didn't march under this ridiculous banner of being highbrow when it's really just crap.

Poor Hitler. If only he'd made Mein Kampf into a comic book instead of an actual written screed. Then, the ovens of Auschwitz and the human lampshades would be all the rage and cool of kitsch. Silly me, for not understanding that close-ups of sawing off someone's arms and dogs chowing down on a six-year-old girl are so much high culture because they were in a comic book first. Idiocy. And, oh, it's a disgusting comic book that TIME Magazine liked. Therefore, it must be the end all, be all. Tell it to Ariel Sharon, who knew something about the "truth" and "accuracy" of TIME. Oh, wait, I'm assuming something really big here: that you "Watchmen" ignoramuses actually know who Ariel Sharon is or what his deal is with TIME. And that would be truly clueless.

And to those dummies who claim--blindly--that this outrageous movie is not marketed to kids, pray tell who is the target audience of "American Idol" on which several trailers ran this week. Yup, "American Idol"--no way that's a kids show or that kids who see it won't want to go. Only if they market it on Sesame Street are they marketing it to kids, right?

Not that if it weren't marketed to kids that would make this crap smell any better.

Still, I've gotten many e-mails like these from parents, who attest they thought this was a superhero movie and that their kids have been bombarded with the marketing for this grotesque movie:

Debbie,
I cannot recall how I got pointed to your review of Watchmen, but thank you for your review! Ever since the trailers came out my son, 15 1/2 wanted to see the movie. No he has not read the novel or comics, but something about this movie made me research it more. Let's just say I had a bad feeling. I greatly appreciate your detailed review of this movie. We are not going to see this movie and it became a great teaching point.

Michael


Uh-huh, not marketed to kids, right? His son just found out about the movie and wants to go see it . . . by accident?

While I'm not surprised to find out that many of those who've written their deranged undue outrage that I deigned to tell the truth about this trash and insult their low-class cultural sensibilities (or rather non-sensibilities), voted for Barack Obama and are liberals, I am surprised that anyone would claim this is a conservative movie.

It was originally written--per the author's own declaration--as an attack on Ronald Reagan. Reader Christopher summarizes it in this letter:

Ms Schlussel,
First THANK YOU for the article on Watchmen.

I wanted to add that you are dead right on the slant of this movie. The writer's original intention as declared by him in a 1987 interview in The Comics Journal was for this have an anti-Reaganism theme. He feared directly attacking President Reagan because he figured it would make people not want to read.

I think this is absolutely a golden opportunity to hammer home the point that mass media influences matter. People are actively ignoring even the stated goal of the author himself for the sake of "a good time'... This is how we get the fouled up pop culture.

You have a better opportunity than I to present this side of the story to people so please consider looking into what I said here and decide if you think it's worth while to write more about.

Again thank you,

Christopher


Bottom line: If you're a "Watchmen" fan, there's something sick about you. You're sick if you enjoy watching wanton rape, torture, and murder, no matter what the background for it is. I don't care if it first appeared in a warped comic book paraded with a high-brow euphemism for comic book.

I don't give a crap if it's meant to show that "the world is dark" and that "superheroes have problems and are everyday people, too," which have been among the insipid, vapid excuses I've received from empty-headed Watchmen fanatic who mindlessly repeat the phony talking points that make them feel smart.

Guess what? We know there are bad people and that people are everyday people with problems. If you don't know that, and you think a movie like this is necessary to make the point, you're even more warped and stupid than I originally diagnosed.

And maybe your sister should be fed to dogs and your mother raped and your brother should have his arms sawed off. You know, just to make the point.
But we'll be sure to depict it in a comic book first, just to make it "high-brow." And get the money of the mindless "Watchmen" fandom sheeple.
 
What a freaking nutcase.... :lol

I just responded to her...

Honestly Debbie, you don't know what you are talking about. This review is clearly written from the point of view of someone who doesn't know a single thing about what she is watching nor where the story came from. The world is cruel, dark, and humanity is twisted. It's the way of things. God forbid a movie come along to show the dark side of humanity, especially in costumed superheroes. God forbid people be exposed to what sick things happen in real life.

I can understand you saying that you thought the violence was over the top, or that the attempted rape was "uncalled for"... from your twisted point of view I guess it is. But if you pull your head out of the clouds for a moment, you will realize that these kinds of things happen all the time to people. That is what superheroes are in the end, just humans (all but one in Watchmen, I might add). Human beings are deep psychologically, with urges that could be considered sick or perverse. It's the nature of man.

As for parents, hey... everyone can make that decision for themselves. It is after all, a R rated film. If I had a teenager at home, I would take him or her to see it if they so desired.. My parents didn't shelter me, and I turned out just fine. I graduated, served the military for 4 years, and am in college. But I guess being subjected to such perverse and twisted fare must have somehow spared me from a life of evil.

It's entirely ok to not like a film, it's understandable to think it went too far. But to write it off as the worst film of all time, THAT is uncalled for. You are seriously off base, as you can tell from the large number of responses that you have garnered with this "review".

But I guess that is what gets you off, so enjoy your moment Debbie...I guess you've earned it.
 
Saw the movie last night...

I loved it... I couldn't believe how much of the comic was in the movie... And I loved how it never, imo, felt rushed!

The cast did a great job... the Sex scene with Specture and Nite Owl was one of the sexiest I've seen in a while. the special effects were special! And I really loved the whole thing!

I liked the new ending as well.

But Rorchach stole the show and is now my new favourite Movie character! Such a quality badarse!!!:horror
 
I'm interested to see if she responds Josh. I can't wait for Friday so I guess that makes me sick and depraved.
 
I cant wait for midnight, guess Im in there with you guys. :lol Really her review just comes off as ultra conservative and holier than thou. Love when she says the action figures are for kids and calls adult collectors losers.
 
I believe I still have that crown but this doesn't beat it I believe. My record is 126 Multi Quotes all from various posters in one message. :lol

I don't know how many it was, but I once quoted every word in one of The Josh's posts.
 
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