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While I don't think it will be a blockbuster by any means, I think it will be a modest success. I know plenty of people that have never read the novel that are extremely interested in seeing the film. Let's also not forget that after the trailer premiered with The Dark Knight, the book immediately shot up to Number 2 on Amazon's best selling books, bested only by the latest Twilight novel.


I learned my "it's really popular on the internet" lesson the hard way when Serenity came out... I bet my friend free drinks for a whole night that it would be #1 at box office and make close to $100 million before leaving theaters.... this was based on the fact that Firefly was the top selling DVD at Amazon in the weeks before Serenity came out and the absolutely incredible amount of internet chatter about the film.... Since I spend SO MUCH time on the internet, I failed to realize that the VAST MAJORITY of Americans do not :lol

Needless to say, we all know how that ended, and I was out about $200 (she's quite a drinker - and of course I couldn't let her drink alone :lol)

All I'm saying is that it's a similar case: a 'non-mainstream' TV show with a dedicated and vocal fanbase and a 'non-mainstream' graphic novel with a dedicated and vocal fanbase. The big difference is the amount of money spent on the two... only about $40 million for Serenity - upwards of $150 mil for Watchmen. And that the Watchmen is being sold as a superhero movie, which is quite devious if you ask me - I'd probably be pretty pissed after seeing it if I didn't know what it was going in.... unless they do a FABULOUS job of explaining it in the film - but honestly, the story is probably going to go over most of the unitiateds' heads.
 
I think it'll go number one, it'll hang in the top five for about a month then die off quickly. I wouldn't count out the Fanboys though, they bought multiple copies and I know a few who already have multiple tickets and it isn't out yet. I'm just glad I finally have some Watchmen swag, my brother read the GN in a week, my wife got into it so much that she read all 12 chapters in three days and I'll finally get to see it on the big screen. In reality I could give a ^^^^ how it does at the box office because I'm looking past this to the extended edition release.
 
True, people did say the same things about Serenity. However, Serenity didn't have anywhere near the exposure that Watchman has. There's merchandise everywhere, and not to mention the trailer was playing with one of the biggest movies ever made. But in the end the box office doesn't really matter as much like it did for Serenity. I don't think there's honestly anyone out there hoping for a Watchmen sequel.
 
True, people did say the same things about Serenity. However, Serenity didn't have anywhere near the exposure that Watchman has. There's merchandise everywhere, and not to mention the trailer was playing with one of the biggest movies ever made. But in the end the box office doesn't really matter as much like it did for Serenity. I don't think there's honestly anyone out there hoping for a Watchmen sequel.

Definitely true... it'll be interesting to see what happens, to say the least. I could personally care less how it does at the box office but it all fascinates me - what sells to audiences and what doesn't.

And about this film in particular - can you tell I'm in the "they never should have made it into a movie" camp? :rotfl
 
...can you tell I'm in the "they never should have made it into a movie" camp? :rotfl

(but that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna see it ;))

And you can be sure I'll be fair in my review once I see it - I'm not gonna be colored too much by the fact that I don't think the film should have been made, as I'm not THAT attached to the original book. If it stands up well on its own, then that's cool too.
 
I seen this last night, i liked it...

But what the hell is up with all the blue doodle..

It took so much seriousness away from a seen :lol
 
Saw it. Thought it was really good and am now pumped for the directors cut. My big gripes, some of the blood and injuries seemed a bit over the top and the fights weren't all that realistic. The alley fight between the gang and Dan and Laurie.. obvious wire work. In the end it was good, Bubastis had no real point though and honestly, if you let Manhattan's lack of clothing distract you from a scene, I think you were missing something. Overall I'd say its an 8 out of 10. Let's see if the Directors Cut changes that.
 
Having now seen the movie, I have mixed feelings. If you take the movie divorced from the comic, it's great. Really a great measure of fun for the teenage to early adult male all around. Having said that, I understand why people have been saying this ending doesn't work as well... because it doesn't.

Here are my thoughts on the ending right now... and mind you I worked 8-8:30 today, changed out of my scrubs, went for dinner with friends, and went straight to the movie... by multiplying the threat outside of NYC to not only LA, but to major cities in all world powers across the globe, you necessarily back yourself into a corner. Any world peace that comes about would be short-lived, since people are inevitably going to swing back around and point the finger at America. "The superman exists, and he is American." That's an iconic line, and not one which I am sure anyone is prepared to forget. Yes, in the short term, everyone on the planet may be ^^^^ting their pants out of pure fear and awe of this power that simultaneously murdered millions of people in a calculated attack spanning the globe. That said, now what? We hear at the conclusion of the film that American and the USSR have agreed to unite against this foe, an act that circumvents nuclear war. However, it's not really laid out as to how they plan on going about this, and if there could be any practical plan at all to deal with Dr. M. Granted, it's never made explicit in the graphic novel how humanity's leaders plan on dealing with interdimensional squid either; even then, I think it's the confusion and hysterics. If you have two piranha in a tank, and they circle, prepared to fight one another... now you throw in a juvenile bull shark, and those piranha are huddled side by side against their common foe, not really sure what to do about it, but unifying to present a strong front, however futile.

That's what the ending in the book calls to mind... but when the dust settles in the movie, the buck returns to America, and to its leaders, namely Richard Nixon who called Dr. M to Vietnam, winning the war in a week's time. There's always going to be a wary eye cast towards America, and I do think the movie did its best to emulate the omnipresent fear of a looming, powerful threat in Dr.M, but fell short. Reason being that once he removes himself from involvement with humanity, years down the line people are always going to remember that the being who perpetrated a mass killing of unparalleled proportions was an American, and they're going to want to bring someone to book... or at least will always be a tad bit more incredulous about Americans. It's a peace that ultimately, I think, dissolves in a much shorter span of time than the other alternative, being that the only city attacked was on American soil in the book, and the culprit does not have ties to the US, but another dimension entirely (so people think). It does achieve the same result as world peace, though not in a manner that seems as airtight and lasting as that in the GN. Close, but not close enough in my mind.

What I liked... well, I LOVED the movie as a whole, again when it's taken separately from the source material and viewed as a narrative unto itself. I like to consider movies that way, be they LotR, HP, JP, JAWS, etc. The movies are always good, even magnificent, but need to be taken separately from the books in order to be appreciated in their medium. That's the case here, for me at least. What I was totally immersed in was JDM as the Comedian. Nailed the part. Nailed it to the ^^^^ing wall. Dead on. Perfect. Quite literally flawless. I know everyone keeps singing the praises of JEH and BC, but JDM was the actor who just seemed as if my imagined vision of the Comedian came to tangible reality.

JEH was also magnificent as Rorschach, though it took me a good while to get used to the growl; I always imagined a more subdued, gruff monotone as opposed to a forceful growl. Other than that he was also perfect.

Billy Cudrup was, like the aforementioned actors, wonderful as Dr.M, and brought an almost doleful air to the character who I personally thought of as being more booming, detached, but booming and powerful; and I have to say, I like rather mournful indifference better, and it offers up a new perspective on the character for me.

Ozymandias differed really only in terms of brawny physicality, other than that he too was an exact replica of his comic character. I'm so very pleased with the casting in this film.

And while they didn't stand out as much for me personally namely because I don't think they were as over-the-top in the story to begin with when placed alongside the other characters, Malin Akerman Patrick Wilson, and Carla Gugino, as Laurie, Dan, and Sally respectively, were also well-suited to the parts. I thought maybe Laurie could have been more of a ^^^^^, Dan was the perfect insecure science geek, and Sally... well, Sally as basically alcoholic longing to recapture her youthful image was interesting, but the Sally of the GN seemed to have a yearning within her, though living with a sadness checked by her joy of life. All together, great cast.

What I didn't like, aside from what I've already mentioned, was the abbreviated and altered explanation of how Kovacs became Rorschach, and Rorschach's meeting (singular) with Dr. Long. It seemed to change the character in changing those components... but maybe that's just me. I thought those were the most emotionally powerful moments of GN, and that they were watered down for time constraints, and ironically to amp up the gore (I'm thinking of the meat cleaver in place of the fire... which really didn't do it for me as I imagine Rorschach really wanted that man to suffer for what he did, and an instantaneous death like that seems inappropriate for the scene). And the one memorable moment when I literally laughed aloud for some time upon first reading the book, the scene when Rorschach assails Moloch from inside Moloch's refrigerator, was cut entirely... and melded with the second time Rorschach surprised Moloch in the kitchen, leaving the note in the refrigerator.

Those were my two big gripes with the way Rorschach was handled. A few minor things, such as Dr. M always carrying the photo of he and Janey with him, rather than going back to the billboard in the Bestiary at Gila Flats to retrieve it. A minor gripe, but something I thought was touching and intriguing in the GN. More significant, and I think done for shock value and gore in the movie, was the fact that Dan and Laurie killed... and killed several people, rather violently at that. When assailed by the gang in the alley, one man is stabbed in the neck with his own knife, another has his head completely twisted about on his neck like a wind-up toy... scenes like that make you actually understand why the Keene Act should have been pushed through. Hell, it made the Comedian's "crowd control" look docile.

Those are some of my tentative thoughts. I'd like to see it again to get a better sense of some things and to search for smaller details, but it's been a long day, and a late night, so this is the what I have tumbling through my head right now.
 
Saw it. Thought it was really good and am now pumped for the directors cut. My big gripes, some of the blood and injuries seemed a bit over the top and the fights weren't all that realistic. The alley fight between the gang and Dan and Laurie.. obvious wire work. In the end it was good, Bubastis had no real point though and honestly, if you let Manhattan's lack of clothing distract you from a scene, I think you were missing something. Overall I'd say its an 8 out of 10. Let's see if the Directors Cut changes that.

Same here, I'm hoping some of my problems with the film are adjusted in the director's cut.
 
What actually disturbed me more than anything were that some people clapped when Rorschach thew the hot oil on the guy. Why would anyone clap for that..? Maybe it's just me, who knows but I really curse IMAX for the running time because I am so curious to see what was removed. Also, kinda sad they kept Laurie's last name Jupiter. It seemed MOST of what ended up on the floor or out of the script entirely were the small character moments that really made Watchmen shine in the first place.
 
just got back.....the movie was pretty cool, but IMO not in the same league as Iron Man and Dark Knight. i do like the characters as i felt they all were carbon copies from the book. the fighting was really cool, but i felt like they could've left out the "300" speeding up and slowing down. the gore was a little too much, and i really think they should've covered up Dr. Manhattan in most of his scenes. i know its been discussed, but can't help mention this because in the theater i kept hearing snickers and giggles from the audience. i also think the sex scene was really cheesy and drawn out, especially for a comic book movie.
~~sorry guys, but i still don't see what the big deal is with this book/movie. hopefully after repeated watches on Blu Ray (which should be awesome in high def with the sounds) i'll come to like this movie more.
 
I actually thought the sex scenes were vivid and tastefully done. I honestly can't think of better sex scenes in any other movie I've ever seen. Probably because none were so graphic, explicit, and the actors seemed so into it... in a way it was almost voyeuristic watching those scenes. I didn't think Dr. M's dong was distracting at all. I agree with Memnoch; if you let that part of the movie distract you, you were missing something.
 
Also just thought it bears mentioning that my friends and I arrived at the theater early, the only people who arrived there before us were sitting there with laptops. They actually brought laptops and played World of Warcraft. I've never seen such a thing, and while we sat there cracking jokes about these kids, we had no idea they were only the tip of the an immense iceberg that would gradually serve to improve my self image my comparison. One guy who dressed up as Rorschach (surprise!) by tying a t-shirt around his head and scribbling black all over it; yes, he had a hat and trenchcoat, but due to the shirt rendering him blind, his friends had to help him around the theater. I would say 97% of the people who entered looked as if they came straight from Hot Topic. Spiked hair, leather, dog collars, I think one Alan Moore shirt, a lot of odd hats, long black leather trenchcoats, spiked hair, blue hair... but by far the best of the entire evening, for me at least, was a man wearing a cape. No costume. Just a cape. Jeans, t-shirt, cape. I didn't know what to do with myself; at first I was just purely overcome that someone would even do such a thing and compelled to laugh. I was scrambling all over the place, gasping, making odd hand gestures, making audible noises that sounded very much like struggled laughter. Another part of me died, as I always said I would wear capes the moment they became socially acceptable; sadly, that man made me aware that that day shall never come.:angelsmil
 
Saw it last night. very true to the novel. Excellent castings. Only gripe is some of the fights scenes were to 'choreographed'. Nevertheless. looking forward to Dir's cut
 
There was one person semi-dressed up at Dr. Manhattan at the screening I went to (ie: he painted his face and neck blue). Ha!

A few people walked out of the film as well tonight.

I've thought all along that this film could potentially flop in the theaters. I don't believe there was any other way to market the film, but I can see a very harsh backlash from the populace (who know nothing of the source material) that goes to see this film and soon finds out it is not the typical comic book movie they are accustomed to. I'd LOVE for the film to do well (don't get me wrong), and for newbie's to embrace it, but given the running time and the story I can see the potential for some not so nice things said about it.

So my quick thoughts....

Overall I was pretty impressed. The adaptation (even with the changes and cuts) was pretty darn good I thought. Almost all the actors/actresses fit their roles perfectly, save the actress who played Laurie. Laurie plays an important role in the story and it's just too bad that the actress wasn't fitting the role very well IMO (her annoying voice aside, she just didn't project emotions well for much of the film...especially sadness). There were times when she fit the role better (mainly, some of the time she and Jon were on Mars) but it was fleeting. Tis a pity.

The opening credits....uber fantastic! The song, the summing up of back stories that took pages and pages to talk about in the comic....so, so great. It made Rorschach's spoken sum up of the original masked heroes redundant (but, if you've never read 'Watchmen' I can see why keeping it in was necessary and of course it's in the source material as well).

I thought the pretty drastic change near the end (or at least the catalyst that caused the disaster) worked fine, but I still prefer the original in the comic.

Some of the cuts I did miss. The look at society during the build-up to the disaster, Jon happening upon Dan and Laurie at the end and his ultimate exit, the pirate story (which I knew was already cut ahead of time, a necessary cut of course, but I still missed it), the death of the original Night Owl, how Adrian's scientists really met their demise, more of Rorschach's and Adrians back story.

Really, really liked it! Can't wait to see it again. I'm going to try and catch it again this weekend.
 
I just remembered a thing that I thought was really unnecessary in the movie: the "goodbye kiss" Manhattan and Laurie share just before he teleports away. That was such a "clichéd" moment and didn't fit in at all IMO.
 
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