White actors taking roles from people of color .......(of course)

[cokebabies]

They left out Lethal Weapon 5 and 6.

 

[ali032373]

What is whitewashing, and why does it matter?

"Whitewashing" refers to the practice of giving white actors preferential treatment in casting. Specifically, the term is about putting white actors in roles that should be given to non-white actors. This practice impacts our culture negatively because it takes away valuable opportunities for minority actors while reinforcing the assumption that white actors are simply more bankable for the studios.

Whitewashing generally shows up in three main ways:

An originally non-white character is turned white
This is most often seen in adaptations, or when a non-white character gets turned into a white one between drafts of a script. Examples include The Last Airbender (2010) and Drive (2011).

A white actor plays a non-white character
This can be seen in such films as The Prince of Persia (2010) and the Oscar-winning Argo (2012).

A white character is inserted into a story about non-whites
This tactic has been used in films like The Last King of Scotland (2007) and the upcoming 47 Ronin (2013)

 

[JacktheRipper]

I was pissed to hear how people (media) were happy that Luke Cage was being made because it was about time Marvel had a superhero movie led by a black hero. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ishothimsixtimes]

..... the assumption that white actors are simply more bankable for the studios.

Is it an "assumption"? Everything from box office receipts to the way movies are marketed (and sometimes simply shelved) in certain territories suggests it's the truth, albeit an unpalatable one.

 

[Snake Plissken]

 

[JacktheRipper]

think of locking threads like the movie minority report. You havent seen the crime yet, but the cops in the movie were preventing it before it happens.

Then lock every thread. There is potential in everyone of them.

We shoot ourselves in the foot when we proclaim a lock is imminent.

It is surprising how quickly the pitchforks and torches are assembled however.

 

[JacktheRipper]

there are certain guidelines, certain parameters. mods have to carefully check in what direction the thread is going

So, where is this thread going?

 

[cmiller99]

Towards an early death.

 

[ali032373]

I started this thread because I got sick of reading threads where people complained about a white guy not getting an acting role. Specifically, there were 3 threads. The thread would identify specific movies with specific characters once played by white men where that was no longer the case.

Then I would read the howling and crying and bitching about how tough it is for white men to get movie roles, and how changing the character was racist, and how the world is so unfair. People acted like losing the role was taking food off their table. And the howling would go on for many pages.

Then today, someone posted about the Rocketeer movie noting that "a black female, of course" was cast in the role. And I just got sick of it. So in under a minute on Google I found a hundred examples dating back to 1915 where people of color get replaced in movies for white actors (both men and women). And apparently the practice is common still ongoing.

So when I gave an avalanche of evidence, examples, and proof that shows that that people of color are far, far, far more likely to lose a role to white performer all the champions of racial equality in the other threads went eerily quiet. Apparently, the form of discrimation where white men aren't the victim doesn't garner much support on this site- despite the fact that this discrimination enormously more common in movies. Despite the fact that I gave examples from movies that aren't even out yet. Despite the fact this has been going on for almost a hundred years.

I offered a hundred movies where white guys DID get the role over a person of color, where the character WAS CHANGED, or they hired a white person to play a person of color. But no one really wanted to have that debate. For some discrimation on this site is only valid when the white guy doesn't get the role. And the responses I read in this thread and the Rocketeer thread are very telling about many people on this site.

 

[JacktheRipper]

Towards an early death.

to Vallhalla

HA, HA, HA!!!

 

[therealjondoe]

I started this thread because I got sick of reading threads where people complained about a white guy not getting an acting role. Specifically, there were 3 threads. The thread would identify specific movies with specific characters once played by white men where that was no longer the case.

Then I would read the howling and crying and bitching about how tough it is for white men to get movie roles, and how changing the character was racist, and how the world is so unfair. People acted like losing the role was taking food off their table. And the howling would go on for many pages.

Then today, someone posted about the Rocketeer movie noting that "a black female, of course" was cast in the role. And I just got sick of it. So in under a minute on Google I found a hundred examples dating back to 1915 where people of color get replaced in movies for white actors (both men and women). And apparently the practice is common still ongoing.

So when I gave an avalanche of evidence, examples, and proof that shows that that people of color are far, far, far more likely to lose a role to white performer all the champions of racial equality in the other threads went eerily quiet. Apparently, the form of discrimation where white men aren't the victim doesn't garner much support on this site- despite the fact that this discrimination enormously more common in movies. Despite the fact that I gave examples from movies that aren't even out yet. Despite the fact this has been going on for almost a hundred years.

I offered a hundred movies where white guys DID get the role over a person of color, where the character WAS CHANGED, or they hired a white person to play a person of color. But no one really wanted to have that debate. For some discrimation on this site is only valid when the white guy doesn't get the role. And the responses I read in this thread and the Rocketeer thread are very telling about many people on this site.

excellent thread

 

[JacktheRipper]

It's pretty tame. The Gestapo are at lunch.

As to the original topic:
The two are slightly different. One is upset that originally a character was written as Caucasian and is now for whatever reason some other race. The other is that the character is something other than Caucasian but is being played for the most part by a Caucasian as the other race. That Jolie role should have caused an uproar.

 

[ali032373]

It's pretty tame. The Gestapo are at lunch.

As to the original topic:
The two are slightly different. One is upset that originally a character was written as Caucasian and is now for whatever reason some other race. The other is that the character is something other than Caucasian but is being played for the most part by a Caucasian as the other race. That Jolie role should have caused an uproar.

You are correct. There is a nuanced difference between the two issues and you parsed it out.

But the larger issue is as I've stated above. There's a major hypocrisy at play on this site.

 

[JacktheRipper]

You are correct. There is a nuanced difference between the two issues and you parsed it out.

But the larger issue is as I've stated above. There's a major hypocrisy at play on this site.

It's very difficult to figure what riles the masses. They are probably out playing Pokémon Go. That also speaks volumes.

 

[Mr. Green]

my question was regaring Bruce, is the hulk its own species?

Huh, did not know that.

Spoiler

RIP Dr. Bruce Banner
https://www.comicbookresources.com/article/pak-celebrates-the-incredible-hulks-life-mourns-his-death-in-civil-war-ii-the-fallen

 

[The Ween]

Since you can't change the past, I won't even address it, as for NOW, there are just as many roles going to people of color that were written as white as there are the other way around.

You would've seen plenty of complaints if Black Panther was cast with a non-black person, believe me. Or if Catwoman was cast as a man.

When it doesn't make sense, people complain.

 

[hoodonit00]

excellent thread

Really? I kind of think it sucks.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

This is now a Schwarzenegger thread.

 

[Lejuan]

Two issues here it seems. One is whitewashing. The other is the hypocrisy of some board members.

The first one doesn't bother me because movies inevitably evolve to reflect societal values.

The second is irritating but it's just part of the culture of complaint that seems to have escalated everywhere in recent years. Even so, white, middle-class men complaining about sexism and racism is pretty damned precious #poorwhiteme #wouldn'tknowracismifitstoodupinmysoupandpissedinmybeer

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I am eagerly looking forward to Madea getting whitewashed.